A.L. Central Discussion 2016

[TrustMeIamRight]

Thought i'd point out -- Kluber has only started 9 games since the AS break and he is 6-0 with a 2.01 ERA and 67 k's in 61.2 IP

Also -- while I agree with you about Verlander's contract -- it is astronomical. If Kluber is in the Cy Young conversation though -- Verlander is as well. They are having basically the same year.

Kluber has 1 more win and 1 more loss and has a better ERA.

Verlander has more K's, a better WHIP and a better OPP BA


Both pitchers started slow and have been carrying their teams in the 2nd half of the year. Both have 10 straight quality starts.

Should have read the whole thread before responding.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Sale leads right now in my eyes.

Here's two pitchers' stats

Pitcher 1: 185.2 IP / 64 ER / 3.10 ERA / 189 K / 1 SHO / 15-7
Pitcher 2: 183.2 IP / 63 ER / 3.09 ERA / 185 K / 2 SHO / 15-8

One is Sale one is not. I don't see how either has enough over the other to say they're in the lead, and I don't think either is actually leading.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Thought i'd point out -- Kluber has only started 9 games since the AS break and he is 6-0 with a 2.01 ERA and 67 k's in 61.2 IP

Yeah, you're right. I was including his last start before the ASB. So I guess I should have said "in his last ten starts."

Mea culpa.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Also -- while I agree with you about Verlander's contract -- it is astronomical. If Kluber is in the Cy Young conversation though -- Verlander is as well. They are having basically the same year.

I don't agree that they're having the same year, but I agree Verlander could be in the CY. I think he's a slightly longer shot than Sale at this point.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Did Cleveland change their beer prices? I went to a game in Cleveland last year when they played the Tigers and got two beers for 8 bux and almost fell down, because that is cheaper than one beer in Detroit.

Don't know. All I know is that I was buying $10 lg ML drafts last night.

 

[broncosmitty]

Here's two pitchers' stats

Pitcher 1: 185.2 IP / 64 ER / 3.10 ERA / 189 K / 1 SHO / 15-7
Pitcher 2: 183.2 IP / 63 ER / 3.09 ERA / 185 K / 2 SHO / 15-8

One is Sale one is not. I don't see how either has enough over the other to say they're in the lead, and I don't think either is actually leading.

The one with more innings, more Ks a better WHIP and less walks is my leader.

And that's Sale.

 

[broncosmitty]

Should have read the whole thread before responding.

You retire recently?

Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Both pitchers started slow and have been carrying their teams in the 2nd half of the year. Both have 10 straight quality starts.

Damn, check out this comparison of the two over their last 10 starts:

CK / 69.2 IP / 75 K / 1.94 ERA
JV / 70.2 IP / 78 K / 2.04 ERA

That's pretty wild.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The one with more innings, more Ks a better WHIP and less walks is my leader.

And that's Sale.

Fair enough, but the differences are pretty negligible. It'll be interesting to see how all the horses finish the race.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Just for shits n giggles, I took a look at Sale's last 10 in comparison to Verlander's and Kluber's.

CK / 69.2 IP / 75 K / 1.94 ERA / 7-0
JV / 70.2 IP / 78 K / 2.04 ERA / 6-1
CS / 72.2 IP / 76 K / 3.59 ERA / 3-7

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

One thing I will say about my analysis of CY hopefuls is I may Occam's Razor the stats too much.

Bill James & Rob Neyer came up with a formula to pick who will win the CY based on actual stats (not predicting future performance) and it's really been pretty accurate - I think about 75% over the last fifteen years. It considers innings pitched, earned runs, strikeouts, saves, shutouts, wins, losses and if the pitcher's team won its division.

If I'm evaluating which pitcher I think is better, there's a lot more that I would consider, but given the accuracy of these guys' predictions, I tend to just look at this stuff for CY.

For what it's worth, here's how that formula has the race right now:

Happ
Porcello
Kluber
Hamels
Britton
Sanchez
Sale
Verlander
Miller
Osuna

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Mea culpa.

don't stop being an asshole. this post above from you is unacceptable

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

back to being just a viewer

 

[dougplayer]

Kluber couldn't carry Verlander jock

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Kluber couldn't carry Verlander jock

Of course he couldn't, Verlander would have to pull it out of Miggy's ass for Kluber to even try.

 

[Iffster]

Kluber couldn't carry Verlander jock

Speaking of jocks....your old teammate, Khaki Pants, ever get you those sideline passes? Maybe for the Homecoming Game?

September 2 is tomorrow, doug. Have you got your explanation on how the AL Central will be determined by then? Something about Cleveland being "out of the running" or something like that.....

 

[Iffster]

back to being just a viewer

VICE!!!!!!!

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

@SlinkyRedfoot , AVI Bet for the upcoming series at Clev

probable SP

Sept. 16 Clev, Kluber vs Det, Zimmerman (maybe, if he's healthy) or Boyd
Sept. 17 Clev, Carasco vs Det, JV
Sept. 18 Clev Salazar (aka walk-man) vs Det, Sanchez

Detroit Tigers 2016 Schedule - Tigers Home and Away - ESPN

Cleveland Indians 2016 Schedule - Indians Home and Away - ESPN

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I'm pretty sure Dougplayer meant to state that Det. would be in 1st place in the AL Central by Sept, 22nd and NOT Sept. 2nd

just want to get things right

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

@SlinkyRedfoot , AVI Bet for the upcoming series at Clev

probable SP

Sept. 16 Clev, Kluber vs Det, Zimmerman (maybe, if he's healthy) or Boyd
Sept. 17 Clev, Carasco vs Det, JV
Sept. 18 Clev Salazar (aka walk-man) vs Det, Sanchez

Detroit Tigers 2016 Schedule - Tigers Home and Away - ESPN

Cleveland Indians 2016 Schedule - Indians Home and Away - ESPN

Ya hey der!

In only two posted comments you've demonstrated more nuts than @dougplayer has in thousands of comments! Good on you, man!

Sure thing, fire it up! one week avi bet on that series. You might need to remind and my posting will be limited during that time - I'm traveling 9/15-9/21.