2025 Draft Talk

[MrS]

You have to remember Allar is working with basically a D3 type receiving core. Outside of their stud TE and solid RBs, the WRs suck. Now give him Walker and our WRs, I think he would do well here.

No idea where the TE is going but i would love to have him too, pure football player.

 

[JMR]

geno will be the qb next year its time to accept that.

I think that is far from a certainty. You have another option under contract for a fraction of Geno's cost, and this FO thought enough of Howell to trade for him. I think how the rest of this season plays a big role in the decision as well. If the offense continues to the fits & starts and is more or less carried by the defense, the braintrust could make some substantial changes that could include a QB change. If the O really steps it up, Geno plays well, and we win the division then it could be really difficult to decide to part ways with him. But if he does end up staying, I think they need to do something about that $38M cap hit for 2025.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Schneider ditched Hasselbeck the second season after he brought in Carroll. Schneider also wanted Wilson while Carroll wanted nothing to do with him. I could also see it happening here. I could very much see Seattle drafting Ewers (2nd/3rd round) and starting Howell to save a ton of money while Mac works with the defense and tells Schneider to fuck off with his 'no pay to guards' policy..

This defense, assuming a resigning of Jones and Bryant can win games with non-elite QB play...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Schneider also wanted Wilson while Carroll wanted nothing to do with him.

I seen you say this a few times. Where did you get the idea that Pete wanted nothing to do with RW? Seeing how he had final word on the draft seems inaccurate. In fact the Seahawks waited another round to draft RW (JS wanted to pull the trigger round 2) because Pete wanted Wagner in round 2 then RW round 3. I felt Pete was fine with drafting RW.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I seen you say this a few times. Where did you get the idea that Pete wanted nothing to do with RW? Seeing how he had final word on the draft seems inaccurate. In fact the Seahawks waited another round to draft RW (JS wanted to pull the trigger round 2) because Pete wanted Wagner in round 2 then RW round 3. I felt Pete was fine with drafting RW.

I mean fair question Harold... I heard it quite some time ago and that's a shitty response I know.. Here's some old articles where Pete didn't seem too thrilled. I know this in no way defends my point but Carroll sure seems to speak negatively of him in some articles a decade ago...

Pete Carroll, Seahawks not satisfied with offensive output

Coach Pete Carroll, QB Russell Wilson lament miscues that are hampering passing game.

www.usatoday.com

Pete Carroll on Russell Wilson: 'He's just developing'

Seahawks formations, personnel, Lynch & Harvin

Carroll the the chef, and his recipe for success is balance. How the addition of a dash of Percy Harvin changes the flavor of the dish. Ok I'll stop.

www.fieldgulls.com

When you make those kind of statements, "He's figuring it out" and not "He's our guy" IMO it speaks a bit heavier. Usually when you have 'your QB' unless things are really derailing you speak in a bit more positive manner.

 

[MrS]

I think that is far from a certainty. You have another option under contract for a fraction of Geno's cost, and this FO thought enough of Howell to trade for him. I think how the rest of this season plays a big role in the decision as well. If the offense continues to the fits & starts and is more or less carried by the defense, the braintrust could make some substantial changes that could include a QB change. If the O really steps it up, Geno plays well, and we win the division then it could be really difficult to decide to part ways with him. But if he does end up staying, I think they need to do something about that $38M cap hit for 2025.

if we go into week 17 needing a win to wrap up the division and geno shits the bed completely and everyone recognizes it was his fault, that could be the catalyst for cutting him.
that just doesnt feel likely at this point, my gut says he plays good enough and gets another year to finish out his contract.

 

[JMR]

if we go into week 17 needing a win to wrap up the division and geno shits the bed completely and everyone recognizes it was his fault, that could be the catalyst for cutting him.

Yeah, for sure it could. If Geno is bad the rest of the way and we only win 2 more games, I think the argument for keeping him around at a substantially higher cost than a similarly capable player loses a lot of steam and makes the decision quite a bit easier for JS.

that just doesnt feel likely at this point, my gut says he plays good enough and gets another year to finish out his contract.

I just hope it's clear cut either way -- Geno is "good" and the team wins the division, or he makes a couple critical mistakes and we lose 3 of the last 5. I don't want to be in some no-man's land where we aren't quite sure where the team is headed with Geno.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Our skill groups would 100% help a new QB look better. These guys can carry a competent QB and have made Geno look servicable even with all his flaws.

Now is the time ... well its past time to get a young guy playing. They should have had the young guys (QB's) I dont care who they are, playing all ready. Having your QB grow with your "YOUNG" team is a good thing.

We have a long way to go but super duper early mock at 27 has Hawks taking Quinn Ewers. This mock has the Jets taking a non QB which I don't believe as I feel they are tired of the Rodgers experiment and cut bait and go with Ewers and Allar falls to Seattle. Really depends on Jets/Browns as the mock has Cleveland taking the kid from Bama. Way too early but interesting and goes along your line of thinking.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

No idea where the TE is going but i would love to have him too, pure football player.

I gave @Screamin12th a quick early mock of the Hawks at 27 and TE has him going 31 to the Chiefs.

 

[Screamin12th]

I just hope it's clear cut either way -- Geno is "good" and the team wins the division, or he makes a couple critical mistakes and we lose 3 of the last 5. I don't want to be in some no-man's land where we aren't quite sure where the team is headed with Geno.

Geno has been average to poor this season with a game or two on the good side. He is capable of putting together a couple of strong games when he just plays off instincts. This is why he plays better when everything is sped up, the 2 minute game. Issue is you can't continue to play at that fast pace all game as it kills your Defense and with one mistake things can get ugly fast. Geno's turnovers are always costly ones. Either Deep on our side of the field or taking almost automatic points off the board be it 3 or 7 inside the redzone.

its the timing of his mistakes that really kills me.

 

[JMR]

Geno has been average to poor this season with a game or two on the good side. He is capable of putting together a couple of strong games when he just plays off instincts. This is why he plays better when everything is sped up, the 2 minute game. Issue is you can't continue to play at that fast pace all game as it kills your Defense and with one mistake things can get ugly fast. Geno's turnovers are always costly ones. Either Deep on our side of the field or taking almost automatic points off the board be it 3 or 7 inside the redzone.

its the timing of his mistakes that really kills me.

And he's been working behind maybe the worst OL in the NFL and one of the worst we've seen in a franchise that has put out quite a few bad ones over the last 10 years. You can't talk about Geno's play this year without acknowledging the mess that's in front of him. It absolutely matters.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

@Screamin12th I get you man, and I'm not a huge Geno fan, but you can't deny the guy has played behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history and has a rookie OC calling the shots - and IMO it's a ridiculous system he put in place (this no huddle but then kind of huddle bullshit).

That said, I don't think this team can afford to pay Geno a new contract at $40M+ per year. The defense is winning games... draft a cheap game manager. I've been saying this for a while, the amount QBs that aren't even that great are getting paid is absolutely ridiculous. Lawrence, Jones, Watson.... lmao... I'm really hoping the 9ers pay Purdy. The fact they haven't makes me think Trust Fund boy Yorrk is smarter than I thought.

 

[JMR]

@Screamin12th I get you man, and I'm not a huge Geno fan, but you can't deny the guy has played behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history and has a rookie OC calling the shots - and IMO it's a ridiculous system he put in place (this no huddle but then kind of huddle bullshit).

Look at Walker. His production has fallen this year big time: lowest ypc of his career, lowest ypg of his career, longest run only 28 yards. We have less than 1/3 of the season to go, and he has half as many runs for a 1st down as in his rookie season. Is he no good, or is there other stuff going on? I think we all know.

That said, I don't think this team can afford to pay Geno a new contract at $40M+ per year.

The "per year" stuff is almost always fluff, but I probably beat that dead horse too much already. If he sticks after this season, we'll figure something out for that $38M cap hit for 2025.

 

[blstoker]

And he's been working behind maybe the worst OL in the NFL and one of the worst we've seen in a franchise that has put out quite a few bad ones over the last 10 years. You can't talk about Geno's play this year without acknowledging the mess that's in front of him. It absolutely matters.

But is this really true? We talk about how bad this line is, but Geno has been given solid time throughout the season. Kansas City's line is considered one of the best in the league, but Geno is given more time to throw than Mahomes is. In 500+ passing snaps this season, the line has been average to slightly above average in the league this year in pass pro. Fans rip the line for Geno's shortcomings, but eventually he has to take the criticism for his terrible decisions.

 

[flyerhawk]

But is this really true? We talk about how bad this line is, but Geno has been given solid time throughout the season. Kansas City's line is considered one of the best in the league, but Geno is given more time to throw than Mahomes is. In 500+ passing snaps this season, the line has been average to slightly above average in the league this year in pass pro. Fans rip the line for Geno's shortcomings, but eventually he has to take the criticism for his terrible decisions.

Average numbers can be misleading. According to ESPN, the Seahawks are 24th in pass block win rate and 29th in run block win rate.

Also, the Seahawks are often forced to have only 1 or 2 receivers running routes because of protection issues.

Honestly, I don't know how anyone could think this OL is even average.

 

[MrS]

Watching ewers, he feels very meh, no wow factor at all.

 

[Judge Fudge]

Watching allar. I was critical of him.

He seems like Surgerical Carver. You give him time, something i worry about with our line, and he makes good quick reads for a positive gain and has good footwork.

 

[Judge Fudge]

Good fall back drive after a bone head interception.

And got some wheels to him

 

[Screamin12th]

Average numbers can be misleading. According to ESPN, the Seahawks are 24th in pass block win rate and 29th in run block win rate.

Also, the Seahawks are often forced to have only 1 or 2 receivers running routes because of protection issues.

Honestly, I don't know how anyone could think this OL is even average.

I was hoping for average we are NOT average. BUT thew Seahawks have the lowest paid Oline in the NFL and it translates to play. They keep picking up old broken down piss poor vets in FA for minimum contracts and thats just going to give you a PISS POOR oline end of story. Being ranked 26th i believe it is or 24th over all in the Oline rankings means these guys are out playing their contracts LOL how sad is that? JS and the FO need to invest in the Oline and you can't really do that in 1 draft. They need to find those hard hat working 26-27 year old FA that have something to prove. The ones that get the 7-9 million dollar contracts in FA not the 20 million dollar guys and NOT THE MINIMUM VALUE GUYS like they have been doing for 10 years.

 

[blstoker]

Average numbers can be misleading. According to ESPN, the Seahawks are 24th in pass block win rate and 29th in run block win rate.

Also, the Seahawks are often forced to have only 1 or 2 receivers running routes because of protection issues.

Honestly, I don't know how anyone could think this OL is even average.

Yes, the line is below average - but to claim that the line is issue is laughable. Geno has been horrible this year and despite 4 different starting RTs, 2 starting RGs, 2 starting Cs, Geno has done next to nothing to help out the line. Geno's playing like a poor man's Russell Wilson.