2025 Draft Talk

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I say spend a little ( these guys wont break the bank ) in the FA market for 2025 grab Alim McNeill ( DT ) from Det. and Trey Smith ( OG ) from KC and use your First 2 or 3 Draft picks on Linebacker, RT and a STUD SS. Most picks after the 3rd round are nothing more than Back ups most of the time but just like 1st round QB misses are not uncommon the late round gems pop up also. If you all want a Center and give up on Williams which i think is to soon to do so, Then you got another KC named Creed Humphrey that should be available. The Hawks have not drafted bad in past years but they have been left behind when it comes to the FA market. I am not saying go out and grab the top guy that rarely works but stop grabbing off the trash pile when there is no real talent left and making these career back ups starters and thinking you did something good.

Grab the blue collar hard working guys that have proven they are capable starters. They dont have to be stars just CAPABLE starters, not someones cast offs. Trade DK and pick up a couple 1sts, hell see if you can trade Geno also for a 5th but with his numbers a team might want you to give up picks just for taking him ( LMAO )

I can definitely get behind your ideas

 

[JMR]

Thats fair, i can agree with that.

I guess I should argue against myself and acknowledge that NFL teams also tend to think WRs are worthy of those top picks as well, but I am not a huge fan of that.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I think the big thing with wideouts is we've seen a LOT being drafted recently and a TON are pouring out of college basically good to go. The NCAAF has definitely adapted a pro style offense where passing is key, and it's showing with the number of players coming out. You could argue Nabers is already better than Metcalf. And I get Nabers was a top 10 pick, but still.. you had Harrison Jr. same draft... and this upcoming draft we have a WR (who can also play DB) as a top 5 guy.

The market just isn't there to spend HUGE capital on trading for WRs.

I think one of the biggest mistakes was Seattle drafting two RBs in the 2nd round. And I liked both picks... I'll eat crow on that, because it's fun and invigorating, but in hindsight it set this franchise back heavily. I would've traded Walker at the deadline, and I imagine Seattle was shopping, but nobody wanted Walker due to injury concerns and the fact it's a runningback, period.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I like it, although I'm a little hesitant to trade Metcalf because while there are tons of WRs coming out of college it's hard to hit on someone like Metcalf. Would need a high return for him. Should be able to do that given he's still young with many years as a #1 ahead of him. I agree about paying out 40 + million for Geno at an advance age.

If our future isn’t Geno, which would be foolish if it was, why not just start Sam now ? We need to see what he brings… Be a good way to evaluate our needs at QB going into the draft …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

This kid for Georgia looks pretty good, although I think it’s more important we get better upfront, be nice adding a ball hawk at safety

 

[HaroldSeattle]

If our future isn’t Geno, which would be foolish if it was, why not just start Sam now ? We need to see what he brings… Be a good way to evaluate our needs at QB going into the draft …

My only problem with starting Sam this season, is that if it appears he doesn't have the tools (and I don't think he does) then the Seahawks would feel they have to draft a QB this draft (2025) and this isn't the draft class you want to take a QB. So for that reason I'd rather let Sam demonstrate he's not a NFL starting QB next season and draft a QB in 2026. Some may feel differently about Sam's potential as a starting QB in the NFL and others may like 2025 QB class, and I've been wrong plenty of times.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

My only problem with starting Sam this season, is that if it appears he doesn't have the tools (and I don't think he does) then the Seahawks would feel they have to draft a QB this draft (2025) and this isn't the draft class you want to take a QB. So for that reason I'd rather let Sam demonstrate he's not a NFL starting QB next season and draft a QB in 2026. Some may feel differently about Sam's potential as a starting QB in the NFL and others may like 2025 QB class, and I've been wrong plenty of times.

Ah ok … It’s funny with QB’s though, they’re so hard to evaluate how they’ll be at the next level… It’s always a bit of a crap shoot.. But I hear what you’re saying …

 

[Screamin12th]

My only problem with starting Sam this season, is that if it appears he doesn't have the tools (and I don't think he does) then the Seahawks would feel they have to draft a QB this draft (2025) and this isn't the draft class you want to take a QB. So for that reason I'd rather let Sam demonstrate he's not a NFL starting QB next season and draft a QB in 2026. Some may feel differently about Sam's potential as a starting QB in the NFL and others may like 2025 QB class, and I've been wrong plenty of times.

I dont think they feel Sam is the answer at QB, he is a bridge QB for after Gemo and before The rookie. I think they always planned to keep him around 2 years and thats it, unless it's once again as a back-up. He is a FA after the 2025 season and i believe or at least it looked like they were going to run with Howell through that season Back up or not. I dont think that changes if he starts or not this season. Geno has looked awful, and easily just as bad as Howell looked his first year as a starting QB, the issue is This is NOT Geno's first year starting. Geno has "Imporved a ton" from his first year. Why cant Sam? I don't think he is the answer but i also don't think he is as bad as Geno is because he should still have something to learn. Geno has learned all he is going to. We have seen the best we will ever get out of Geno, His one and only good season playing for a contract.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

My only problem with starting Sam this season, is that if it appears he doesn't have the tools (and I don't think he does) then the Seahawks would feel they have to draft a QB this draft (2025) and this isn't the draft class you want to take a QB. So for that reason I'd rather let Sam demonstrate he's not a NFL starting QB next season and draft a QB in 2026. Some may feel differently about Sam's potential as a starting QB in the NFL and others may like 2025 QB class, and I've been wrong plenty of times.

Geno will start till the Hawks get knocked out of the playoff race. So we may get 2 or 3 games of Howell which isn't a big enough sample size in this offense for the FO to scramble drafting a QB with one of their top 4 picks.

 

[JMR]

I also think Geno keeps the starting job this season so long as 1) we are reasonably in the playoff picture and 2) his play is generally at least acceptable. QBs are just typically going to get more scrutiny than any other player when things aren't going well, but I still don't think he's the problem. What I see when I watch this team is an offensive line that is just not good enough to allow the offense to function properly. Can't run a lick. Often can't protect. Too many penalties. It's just a mess.

It's too early to tell what the QB position looks like after the season is over. The draft doesn't appear to be all that strong at QB. We may or may not be in position to draft a top QB anyway. Geno's contract is such that it wouldn't' be all that painful cap-wise to move on from him, and Sam Howell remains very cheap through '25. There's a number of ways it could go.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I can agree that the offensive line will be a problem for who ever plays QB and hopefully that can be addressed in this next draft in a big way. JS needs to re-evaluate how he goes about drafting OL maybe seek help from the outside, someone who can evaluate them better because clearly JS isn't very good at it. Haven't got in the same zip code as the OL pre JS with Walter Jones , Steve Hutchinson, Max Unger,Gray and Locklear. In fact in the decade plus under JS the OL has never been good, at the zenith it was just good enough not to derail the team with the help of a ultra mobile QB who could avoid the on coming pass rush. Next draft should focus on OL and LBs, but OL first. I won't be against using multiple high picks on the OL and attempt to have a reasonable functional OL for the first time under JS. Not asking for a outstanding OL just functional for once under JS. The OL has been the bane of the coaching staff ever since JS became GM, making it difficult (or impossible) to compensate for how bad they suck.

 

[MrS]

Im going to predict that benching geno and playing Howell doesnt happen until next year if this shit continues.
Even if we continue to tank, geno will keep his job.

As far as schneider fixing the OL, its not going to happen. He hasn't fixed it in 15 years and his additude about OL isnt going to change.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Im going to predict that benching geno and playing Howell doesnt happen until next year if this shit continues.
Even if we continue to tank, geno will keep his job.

As far as schneider fixing the OL, its not going to happen. He hasn't fixed it in 15 years and his additude about OL isnt going to change.

I do agree with your last sentence. And when Team 3 (RW) mentioned it, he was traded... drafting two runningbacks in the 2nd round with RW draft capital, a top 20 WR, a top 5 CB... It's fairly obvious where he stands. Most of our draft picks were tackle prospects, not guard/center prospects, so it's fairly obvious IOL is not on his agenda. The only person that's going to make that 'change' is the owner. And frankly I don't think Jody really gives a fuck, at least not to the level of Paul.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I do agree with your last sentence. And when Team 3 (RW) mentioned it, he was traded... drafting two runningbacks in the 2nd round with RW draft capital, a top 20 WR, a top 5 CB... It's fairly obvious where he stands. Most of our draft picks were tackle prospects, not guard/center prospects, so it's fairly obvious IOL is not on his agenda. The only person that's going to make that 'change' is the owner. And frankly I don't think Jody really gives a fuck, at least not to the level of Paul.

From the comments I've heard from JS and Pete, Jody is much more of a hard ass then Paul and demands accountability in these end of the season meetings. I get the feeling JS dreads these meetings where he has to address "what happen" and " what's the solution" and unlike Paul she not giving passes due to a Super Bowl win a decade ago. If the Seahawks don't show real progress by the end of 2025 JS will get canned and rightfully so, probably should of happen long ago given how bad the OL been his entire tenure with the Seahawks. I'd like to think Pete would of done way better if given a functional OL.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

From the comments I've heard from JS and Pete, Jody is much more of a hard ass then Paul and demands accountability in these end of the season meetings. I get the feeling JS dreads these meetings where he has to address "what happen" and " what's the solution" and unlike Paul she not giving passes due to a Super Bowl win a decade ago. If the Seahawks don't show real progress by the end of 2025 JS will get canned and rightfully so, probably should of happen long ago given how bad the OL been his entire tenure with the Seahawks. I'd like to think Pete would of done way better if given a functional OL.

Yah we'll see Harold. The end of this season will be really telling. There's a buzz around the NFL on how bad the Seahawks OL is, more than I've seen in recent years which was still bad. We seem to try to address the LT/RT position (draft, trades, etc.) but John's complete ignorance for the IOL which has been a complete disaster for years is an issue. Part of it I wonder is the system we install as well, the coaches we get? Really not sure. Course if Seattle comes back after the bye and wins a few more (and beat the 9ers/Rams in a rematch) then everything could be fine... dunno.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yah we'll see Harold. The end of this season will be really telling. There's a buzz around the NFL on how bad the Seahawks OL is, more than I've seen in recent years which was still bad. We seem to try to address the LT/RT position (draft, trades, etc.) but John's complete ignorance for the IOL which has been a complete disaster for years is an issue. Part of it I wonder is the system we install as well, the coaches we get? Really not sure. Course if Seattle comes back after the bye and wins a few more (and beat the 9ers/Rams in a rematch) then everything could be fine... dunno.

Yeah the OL been bad for over a decade and the Seahawks have had different OL coaches, different OC and now different HC the only constant has been JS and his go cheap on the interior of the OL in both the draft and free agency. It's been nothing but patch work year after year and it's hamstrung the offense consistently.

 

[JMR]

Yeah the OL been bad for over a decade and the Seahawks have had different OL coaches, different OC and now different HC the only constant has been JS and his go cheap on the interior of the OL in both the draft and free agency. It's been nothing but patch work year after year and it's hamstrung the offense consistently.

The 2 constants in Seattle sports: the Mariners can't put together a decent offense, and the Seahawks can't figure out the OL.

 

[JMR]

We have a long way to go yet, but if the season ended today, here are the major changes/moves I think I would like to see:

1. Trade DK. I like his physicality and explosiveness, but he might be worth more to us in a trade vs staying here and getting another big payday. I just don't believe high priced WRs are a building block for a contender; they're more like finishing touches (and right now, this team isn't at a place where it just needs a finishing touch). If this is it for him in Seattle, 6 very productive years from a late 2nd round pick is a good ROI, and he can still fetch some value we can use on more critical roster areas. He has a $31M projected cap hit next season, but a pre-June 1 trade can get $21M of that back.
2. Move on from Geno and bring in an inexpensive option -- either a "change of scenery" younger talent or a journeyman -- to compete with Howell. I think 2025 is probably going to be a stopgap or transition type year at QB. We are either going to use it as a 1 year job interview for Howell or plug someone in there to maybe just hold down the fort until we figure out a longer answer while we try to get the rest of the roster in order. Either way, I don't see a big investment this off-season at QB. "Let's draft a franchise QB" sounds great, but much of that is out of team control. Free agency happens well before the draft, so you also can't wait around to make some of these moves.
3. Recoup an additional $44M in cap space by cutting Tyler Lockett, Dre Jones, Roy Robertson-Harris, and Noah Fant. Add Geno's savings to that number, and you're up to about $70M of refund.

Clearly there will be more moves, but those would be my top 3 efforts. I suspect there will be at least a few who want to cut ties with JS, but I think we are at least 1 more year away from that. The power structure of the front office just took a greater shift toward him less than a year ago, so I can't see him getting less than 2 or even 3 full seasons in the enhanced role.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We have a long way to go yet, but if the season ended today, here are the major changes/moves I think I would like to see:

1. Trade DK. I like his physicality and explosiveness, but he might be worth more to us in a trade vs staying here and getting another big payday. I just don't believe high priced WRs are a building block for a contender; they're more like finishing touches (and right now, this team isn't at a place where it just needs a finishing touch). If this is it for him in Seattle, 6 very productive years from a late 2nd round pick is a good ROI, and he can still fetch some value we can use on more critical roster areas. He has a $31M projected cap hit next season, but a pre-June 1 trade can get $21M of that back.
2. Move on from Geno and bring in an inexpensive option -- either a "change of scenery" younger talent or a journeyman -- to compete with Howell. I think 2025 is probably going to be a stopgap or transition type year at QB. We are either going to use it as a 1 year job interview for Howell or plug someone in there to maybe just hold down the fort until we figure out a longer answer while we try to get the rest of the roster in order. Either way, I don't see a big investment this off-season at QB. "Let's draft a franchise QB" sounds great, but much of that is out of team control. Free agency happens well before the draft, so you also can't wait around to make some of these moves.
3. Recoup an additional $44M in cap space by cutting Tyler Lockett, Dre Jones, Roy Robertson-Harris, and Noah Fant. Add Geno's savings to that number, and you're up to about $70M of refund.

Clearly there will be more moves, but those would be my top 3 efforts. I suspect there will be at least a few who want to cut ties with JS, but I think we are at least 1 more year away from that. The power structure of the front office just took a greater shift toward him less than a year ago, so I can't see him getting less than 2 or even 3 full seasons in the enhanced role.

I don't think John has any intent of bringing Geno back - despite how well I think Geno has played with the crap OL we have. He brought in Lock, now he's brought in Howell, and there's some strong links to Ewers who draws very similar comparisons to Aaron Rodgers who Schneider loved (no I'm not saying Ewers is the next Rodgers, but there are similarities in size, production, and an eerily similar style in throwing motion, not to mention Ewers' idol is Aaron Rodgers - in an age where every QB is idolizing Mahomes/Jackson/Allen). Schneider also did that by ditching Matt, bringing in Flynn/Whitehurst and eventually hitting on Wilson who Carroll didn't want. And the comment of "He is until he isn't" on Geno says it all IMO.

I think John will look to go cheap at the QB position... I can't imagine he's keeping Geno on at $40M next year (and Geno will prob. hit escalators).

As for trading DK, might as well see what the market looks like in the offseason. This is also a very weak draft class (prob. weakest since 2009) so I dunno getting draft picks is going to replace what DK does on the field. There are some decent guards in this draft, but the rest of it is pretty weak. I could very much see Seattle resigning DK especially if they go with a new QB.

Cutting Lockett/Jones/Fant is basically guaranteed. Lot of people figured this was Lockett's final year with that massive restructure that we all knew was never going to be paid out, and frankly I think Lockett knew that as well. He did it to help Seattle.

 

[Judge Fudge]