2024 Season Thread

[Sharkonabicycle]

I like Lucas and feel he could have been our best Olineman had injuries not sucked the life out of him. His rookie year he looked solid and it hurt when he missed 1 game that season. You could see he was talented and i think he was scoring better than Cross. Then the shit hit the fan the next two seasons. How brutal it was for him missing 11 games in 2023 then in 2024 he missed another 10 games. How much was bad luck and how much was it that 2023's injury and 2024's injury were connected. It's always been his one knee right? Didnt Pete say it was a chronic issue when asked about it? I am almost 100% Sure Pete did in fact say that.

I would LOVE to have Abe 100% go as he IS a good answer at RT but that knee... My Dream would be He plays 10 years for us and improves but how realistic is that with his knee.

Yah it's really too bad with Lucas. The type of knee issue he had can end NFL careers (either through performance dropping or just flat out a career ender) but if he can rebound it fills a HUGE hole going into 2025. I also recall reading it was a chronic knee issue and some say it was a concern with him coming out of college which may have impacted his draft stock? I swore I remember reading that somewhere.

It was no surprise he looked better than Cross. Cross was barely 22 years old when he came into the league (Lucas was already 24 - those two are almost exactly 2 years apart). It was expected it'd take him a couple years to build up the acumen to play worthy of a top 10 pick, especially at LT - a harder more demanding position than RT. And IMO in 2025, he did. He was basically the only good/consistent OL on our entire team lol.

 

[flyerhawk]

 

[flyerhawk]

Yah it's really too bad with Lucas. The type of knee issue he had can end NFL careers (either through performance dropping or just flat out a career ender) but if he can rebound it fills a HUGE hole going into 2025. I also recall reading it was a chronic knee issue and some say it was a concern with him coming out of college which may have impacted his draft stock? I swore I remember reading that somewhere.

It was no surprise he looked better than Cross. Cross was barely 22 years old when he came into the league (Lucas was already 24 - those two are almost exactly 2 years apart). It was expected it'd take him a couple years to build up the acumen to play worthy of a top 10 pick, especially at LT - a harder more demanding position than RT. And IMO in 2025, he did. He was basically the only good/consistent OL on our entire team lol.

You have to think that a priority for the team will need to be some sort of RT/G player who can play RT but will also be able to swing inside. Now I'm not sure if there are a lot of guys that can play RT and LG but that would be ideal.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

You have to think that a priority for the team will need to be some sort of RT/G player who can play RT but will also be able to swing inside. Now I'm not sure if there are a lot of guys that can play RT and LG but that would be ideal.

Yah that's why I liked the idea (if we don't want QB) going OT in the first.

A lot of the OTs in this draft (and those in the first) from what I've read are like, "Well, he COULD play tackle, but maybe better at guard or slid inside." Not many project to a true franchise left tackle (which we don't need). Now this instantly makes me think of Ifedi but whatever, lol.

If Abe comes back 100% healthy, there's quite a few prospects in this draft (in the 1st) that a lot of sites/analysts/scouts are saying they can play guard (even RG is a problem, let alone left guard) and if they would be better at RT there's a chance Abe is done or gets reinjured anyway.

Kind of gives us a good prospect (not great, not in this draft) that can hopefully play one of the three positions (LG/RG/RT if Lucas goes down). Lucas was also a guy in various scouting reports that teams mentioned moving to guard. He did fine his rookie season at right tackle, so no need... but who knows. Either way fix the fuckin' OL, lol.

If you really think your QB of the future is there at #18 fine... grab him. But God don't start him....

I really would like Booker out of Bama. He CAN play left guard and he's HUGE/Strong. The drawbacks is he's a guard, through and through. There's no tackle opportunity there, and he has little finesse. He'll get beat by more talented pass rushers. BUT, you've got cross next to him who IS a good pass blocker, so hopefully together they can overcome that.

But Schneider doesn't like IOL in the first... so we'll prob. get stuck with an OT (as I said above) that we convert to a guard even assuming we go OL lol...

 

[flyerhawk]

Yah that's why I liked the idea (if we don't want QB) going OT in the first.

A lot of the OTs in this draft (and those in the first) from what I've read are like, "Well, he COULD play tackle, but maybe better at guard or slid inside." Not many project to a true franchise left tackle (which we don't need). Now this instantly makes me think of Ifedi but whatever, lol.

If Abe comes back 100% healthy, there's quite a few prospects in this draft (in the 1st) that a lot of sites/analysts/scouts are saying they can play guard (even RG is a problem, let alone left guard) and if they would be better at RT there's a chance Abe is done or gets reinjured anyway.

Kind of gives us a good prospect (not great, not in this draft) that can hopefully play one of the three positions (LG/RG/RT if Lucas goes down). Lucas was also a guy in various scouting reports that teams mentioned moving to guard. He did fine his rookie season at right tackle, so no need... but who knows. Either way fix the fuckin' OL, lol.

If you really think your QB of the future is there at #18 fine... grab him. But God don't start him....

I really would like Booker out of Bama. He CAN play left guard and he's HUGE/Strong. The drawbacks is he's a guard, through and through. There's no tackle opportunity there, and he has little finesse. He'll get beat by more talented pass rushers. BUT, you've got cross next to him who IS a good pass blocker, so hopefully together they can overcome that.

But Schneider doesn't like IOL in the first... so we'll prob. get stuck with an OT (as I said above) that we convert to a guard even assuming we go OL lol...

I don't know enough about of the prospects coming out to say anything about them. LG definitely requires a little more athleticism than RG so if Booker is more of a RG he might not be a great fit.

 

[MrS]

Id prefer a LG in free agency over a LG in round 1. Then you can take a RT/RG type guy in round one to play RG and fill in for Lucas if he breaks again

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I don't know enough about of the prospects coming out to say anything about them. LG definitely requires a little more athleticism than RG so if Booker is more of a RG he might not be a great fit.

Sorry if I created confusion, what I meant is Booker actually can play left guard. He did it for 2 years in Bama (I know it's Bama), so he's experienced at the position. With Seattle he'd be plug and play from day 1 at LG.

You can prob. take some left tackles and put them at left guard (just like Fautanu) but I don't know how well RT/RG works out to LG.

That's why I got so annoyed with Haynes. Haynes played RG all his life. Our RG sucked, and Haynes was made the 2nd, or 3rd string, or flat out INACTIVE in some games. And we later learned from the coaches (through various rumors which must've been true) "he's undersized'? THEN WTF DID YOU DRAFT HIM FOR!? That pick alone really lost me a lot of faith with the offensive coaching staff and Schneider.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sorry if I created confusion, what I meant is Booker actually can play left guard. He did it for 2 years in Bama (I know it's Bama), so he's experienced at the position. With Seattle he'd be plug and play from day 1 at LG.

You can prob. take some left tackles and put them at left guard (just like Fautanu) but I don't know how well RT/RG works out to LG.

That's why I got so annoyed with Haynes. Haynes played RG all his life. Our RG sucked, and Haynes was made the 2nd, or 3rd string, or flat out INACTIVE in some games. And we later learned from the coaches (through various rumors which must've been true) "he's undersized'? THEN WTF DID YOU DRAFT HIM FOR!? That pick alone really lost me a lot of faith with the offensive coaching staff and Schneider.

Yeah. We really do need better cover for the left side in general.

I think the big criticism of Haynes was that he was doggin it in the weight room and simply didn't pick up the muscle they expected. That could change next season.

 

[flyerhawk]

Id prefer a LG in free agency over a LG in round 1. Then you can take a RT/RG type guy in round one to play RG and fill in for Lucas if he breaks again

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Id prefer a LG in free agency over a LG in round 1. Then you can take a RT/RG type guy in round one to play RG and fill in for Lucas if he breaks again

Sure, I mean that's fine too. Whatever. You have holes at LG/RG and potentially RT. So I think we all agree, fix fuckin' something on that OL.

On that note, Oluwatimi played.. OKAY. Not bad. Which again begs the question of why aren't the coaches figuring it out? Ya know I wonder if we even have a hole at RG. We just spent a 3rd on Haynes - who has been playing RG since he was a sperm. Are we really going to give up on him this easy when he had the greatest turnstyle in NFL history happening at Center and Right tackle combined? "He's not big enough." Well then feed him more Oreos and have him lift more weights, WTF?

Jesus Christ. I lost so much faith in the offensive coaches this year, it's why I've been screaming for Grubb to go. And it was 100% the correct move.

Rant aside, IMO it's easier to draft for RG/RT than it is LT/LG. LT/LG is just the harder position. They are NEVER available in free agency (younger guys at least - you're praying an aging vet or guy returning from injury pans out), they always command top 5 picks (LT at least), etc. If you have the choice to get a potential plug at LG that is an instant starter vs. a RG converted starter with an OPTION to play RT, you go LG IMO.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah. We really do need better cover for the left side in general.

I think the big criticism of Haynes was that he was doggin it in the weight room and simply didn't pick up the muscle they expected. That could change next season.

I hope so. And that's a problem with coaching IMO. Again, we are getting new ones (guaranteed) so maybe that'll change. As I said in my above post (#730) we may not even need a RG lol... so go get a LG and there's a couple in this draft. You're not finding that Steve Hutch on paper in this draft, but there's a couple guys there in the 1st.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Lets look at free agency to address the OL. Hawkblogger had a video on it.


The home run would be Trey Smith of the Chiefs. After that:

Will Fries (Colts) low ceiling not physical but handles the position OK

Tevin Jenkins (Bears) Plays well but very injury prone

Kevin Zeitler (Lions) Too old

James Daniels (Steelers) injured but is that physical type,could come at a discount

Mekhi Becton (Eagles) Can play both Guard and tackle.

Will Hernandez (Cardinals) cost, age, ability and affordability looks like a good fit, coming off a injury

Ben Bredeson (Bucs) Lower tier type

Nate Herbig (Steelers) Center has a bit of guard experience

Just some of the options.

 

[flyerhawk]

Another good chat with Dan Jeremiah.

 

[flyerhawk]

Another good chat with Dan Jeremiah.

The end of that segment is really good. He talks about the folly of trying to tank for a QB. Basically he says that the Seahawks have too much talent to be a real challenger for a top 5 pick. He also says that the league is fairly deep but doesn't have a lot at the top and you are better off going 2nd-4th rather than 1st, although he hasn't really dug into the scouting yet.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The end of that segment is really good. He talks about the folly of trying to tank for a QB. Basically he says that the Seahawks have too much talent to be a real challenger for a top 5 pick. He also says that the league is fairly deep but doesn't have a lot at the top and you are better off going 2nd-4th rather than 1st, although he hasn't really dug into the scouting yet.

More competition to be a bad team then it is to be a good team he says. I like when he says he doesn't think it's wise to get in a "out suck" competition. Truth is some of the teams in the NFL have way more experience at sucking, it's actually easy for them. Be hard to beat them at what they are good at (sucking).

 

[flyerhawk]

More competition to be a bad team then it is to be a good team he says. I like when he says he doesn't think it's wise to get in a "out suck" competition. Truth is some of the teams in the NFL have way more experience at sucking, it's actually easy for them. Be hard to beat them at what they are good at (sucking).

Exactly right. And this team has too much talent to just suck unless the team actively tries to sabotage the team.