2024 Season Thread

[flyerhawk]

We need to get Booker from Bama.. and then just spend the 2nd rounder on one of the various OTs that will probably be forced to play guard but if anything we need a backup plan for Lucas. And then ditch DK and his impending massive contract and grab Harris (who I'm assuming we can use the 2nd rounder we'll get from trading DK), who is to some degree a DK clone (without a $30M contract ask).

I would be pretty surprised if we can get a 2nd for DK.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I would be pretty surprised if we can get a 2nd for DK.

Let me dream, flyer...

 

[MrS]

Meh on Booker, spend the money in FA and get a G that is established and doesnt need to develop

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Meh on Booker, spend the money in FA and get a G that is established and doesnt need to develop

I don't get where we're going to find 'that guard' in free agency @MrS ... and you gotta remember we're in all likelihood getting a new OC.. no established guard is coming here unless we overpay by probably 125%.

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't get where we're going to find 'that guard' in free agency @MrS ... and you gotta remember we're in all likelihood getting a new OC.. no established guard is coming here unless we overpay by probably 125%.

Why would we need to pay 125% premium? Players mostly take the highest contract.

I would be surprised if we fire Grubb.

 

[MrS]

I don't get where we're going to find 'that guard' in free agency @MrS ... and you gotta remember we're in all likelihood getting a new OC.. no established guard is coming here unless we overpay by probably 125%.

Trey smith on KC, they are alredy heavily invested in cap costs on the OL and he will walk. He is an all pro and would be worth every penny give him whatever he wants.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I don't get where we're going to find 'that guard' in free agency @MrS ... and you gotta remember we're in all likelihood getting a new OC.. no established guard is coming here unless we overpay by probably 125%.

Maybe or maybe not. In any case whatever cap space Seahawks create may go to signing extensions to the 2022 draft class:

• Left tackle Charles Cross.
• Outside linebacker Boye Mafe.
• Running back Ken Walker III.
• Right tackle Abraham Lucas.
• Defensive back Coby Bryant.
• Cornerback Riq Woolen.
• Wide receiver Dareke Young.

I know some of these ^^^ players folks may want to move on from, but some certainly need to be extended. Also OL being a league wide need the cost could just end up being to high for a quality OL in FA. It's sort of mind boggling how high these FA contracts are getting even considering the cap going up. The draft remains the best way to build a roster, but when a draft class is way below average in quality it makes it tempting to say screw it and pay way to much for a FA.

 

[flyerhawk]

Trey smith on KC, they are alredy heavily invested in cap costs on the OL and he will walk. He is an all pro and would be worth every penny give him whatever he wants.

There are other options as well. Jenkins, Will Fries, Kevin Seitler. Trey Smith might be very pricey.

 

[MrS]

There are other options as well. Jenkins, Will Fries, Kevin Seitler. Trey Smith might be very pricey.

teven Jenkins doesnt sound promising x.com

Fries has been on IR all year, zeitler is ancient. There are a few others but trey smith is easily the best of the bunch by far and he will be pricey. Its time to invest in OL and they can start with a big FA splash signing.

 

[flyerhawk]

teven Jenkins doesnt sound promising x.com

Fries has been on IR all year, zeitler is ancient. There are a few others but trey smith is easily the best of the bunch by far and he will be pricey. Its time to invest in OL and they can start with a big FA splash signing.

I would love to see it but that would be completely against how JS operates. Going for the top rate FA who is also an interior OL player seems like a bridge too far.

 

[Screamin12th]

Leonard Williams not getting to the probowl just feels so wrong.

 

[flyerhawk]

Leonard Williams not getting to the probowl just feels so wrong.

Yeah. He was our best player on defense.

 

[MrS]

I would love to see it but that would be completely against how JS operates. Going for the top rate FA who is also an interior OL player seems like a bridge too far.

Correct, he will go for another one year stop gap most likely

 

[Screamin12th]

Correct, he will go for another one year stop gap most likely

Another 1 year band-aid that fails, In other words a Tim Ruskell type move. TR turned a Great team into a pile of trash with his "Band-aid" moves. TR was hired in 2005 and by 2006 we all ready say the decline happening. It wasnt until Dec 2 2009 when he was fired that things started to turn around.

JS needs to get off the "Band-aid" type moves. JS started doing more Band-aids in like the 2016 or 2017 season and look what has happened. Pete was able to keep us relevant with coaching but the decline was real. The last couple of drafts he has done well but the band-aids have been what has hurt this team more and more.

 

[Screamin12th]

He "Band-aided" Our Linebacker group in the 2024 offseason like he has been doing on the Oline for YEARS now and how did that turn out? Lmao they didn't even last a season and many of us expressed concern over the group even before we saw them play. Now i dont want JS making BIG high priced grabs on FA though just not bottom of the berral like he has been doing. We need more quality than we have been going after. Tired of him picking up cast offs, has beens and throw aways Like pretty much every FA Olineman for the last 10 years.

JS has saved his ass better than TR did though because he has pretty much only been handing out small 1 year deals. Still i would rather have 2 FA that are average than 4 that SUCK ASS! lol

Like letting lewis walk for 4 year 53 million contract. Thats NOT a bad price for a starting quality Guard and his cap hit on that contract for the first 2 years was only 19 million, It jumps up to 14 million in 2025. They finally got a little quality and they just let it walk, THATS how it always has been. JS doesnt value the middle of the line it seems.

I want to see 1 solid Olineman FA and 1 drafted early. 1-3.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Why would we need to pay 125% premium? Players mostly take the highest contract.

I would be surprised if we fire Grubb.

Well my point is, Seattle lost the division, our QB situation is a little unknown, I still think Grubb is gone (he has a job waiting for him in Alabama and Mac/Grubb never seemed aligned)... the only way a great player is coming here if Grubb is gone and our QB situation is uncertain, is paying a premium (least that's my opinion).

So if you're an all pro caliber guard, you're going to get paid massively anyway... would you rather go to (all these teams could use a guard or have organizational leadership that highly value the position):

Washington: New exciting young QB, every player apparently wants to go to Washington. LOTS of cap space.
Detroit: 14-2 team and will get Hutchinson back. No reason they aren't competing for a Super Bowl. Zeitler is a free agent and getting old, and Ranfrow (C granted) has been plagued by injuries. They have great cap space. The team heavily values OL. Proven HC.
Minnesota: Another 14-2 team, young QB in McCarthy, definitely a Super Bowl window there. Proven HC. Good cap space.
LA Chargers: Made the playoffs, proven HC. Great QB. Harbaugh loves offensive lineman. California (great place to live if rich), new stadium, etc.
Houston: Not a lot of cap, but in a better position than Seattle. Up and coming QB, exciting team, Houston is cheap, won a crappy division but they're in the playoffs.. they also play, in a crappy division lol. Close to Smith's home anyway.

Or Seattle... with potentially a new OC, a young HC who basically posted the same record as last year but all the wins came against losing teams (Rams are resting), a GM who just basically said 'interior OL aren't worth high draft picks' (LOL nice one Schneider... way to piss off a position you desperately need to fix - and trust me, that's more impactful than you think), and lost against basically every single winning team (we played Denver early) this year, and a big question mark at the QB position.

Now other teams like the Saints, Patriots, Jaguars also need a guard.... but when questioning whether I'd want to go there vs. Seattle, that's on par. That said, IF those 5 above mentioned teams offered ME the same as Seattle, I would gladly take one of those teams over Seattle (bias aside, for my career and a chance to win an SBOWL with another team, or if it's not Smith a chance to win one in general)... hence my comment about the premium. So, if the market says, he's worth $25M... Seattle will prob. have to offer $30M. Because if Seattle bids the same as those 5 teams, he's not coming here IMO.

And I'm just mentioning Smith because his name is coming up in other posts.

 

[Anointed One]

I would be surprised if we fire Grubb.

I would be very surprised if we kept him too be honest... The inability to run the ball "Attempts wise" has to be the nail in the coffin... I can't see a scenerio during the season where MacDonald wasn't asking Grubbs to focus more on the run... Obviously, that never came into fruition...

• We were ranked 31st in rush attempts this season, averaging 4.2 ypc...
• 7th in the NFL in pass attempts...
• 4th in the NFL in sacks...

If Geno is still going to be our QB, I can't see why MacDonald would keep Grubbs seeing how poorly our offense performed under Grubbs scheme... If we move on from Geno to another QB, I can't see why MacDonald wouldn't make a change to a new OC to start fresh w/ the new QB moving forward...

All in all, this offense was really bad and Geno wasn't the reason the offense didn't click... So many other factors involved... We've beaten this horse to death... Very, very bad OL play was the main reason for this offense not clicking the way it was supposed to... Check out their PFF grades..

• Second-year right guard Anthony Bradford, who started the first 11 games this season before landing on injured reserve, ranks 71st out of 75 guards in PFF grading.
• Rookie right guard Sataoa Laumea, who started the past five games, ranks 75th out of 75 guards.
• Veteran left guard Laken Tomlinson, who started all 16 games, ranks 48th out of 75 guards.
• And second-year center Olu Oluwatimi, who started the past seven games after Connor Williams’ abrupt midseason retirement, ranks 30th out of 41 centers.
• Third-year left tackle Charles Cross ranks ninth out of 78 tackles in PFF grading.
• Third-year right tackle Abraham Lucas ranks 56th out of 78 tackles

The O-line woes have resulted in an inconsistent Seahawks offense that ranks 19th in points per game (21.6), 23rd in points per drive (1.82) and 21st in red-zone touchdown rate (53.8%)... This is reflection on coaching and the poor OL play, imo... I believe Geno is a bit better than what he's shown us this year... If we had better OL play, play calling and rushing attack, I believe his INT total would be lower...

• Play calling stunk a lot of the times, imo... for example, 3rd and 4 or 5, our receivers seemingly were always running longer routes w/ out keeping a safety valve in w/in the 3 or 4 yard route... It happened too much... Replay would show that Geno's already under pressure before the receivers were even starting the break on their routes...
• Play calling again... Without the threat of not only running the ball well, but not even handing off the ball (leading to 31st in the NFL in attempts), we could not utilize play-action... This is something that would've helped out Geno and the OL... To simply just abandon that in todays NFL is atrocious...
• We utilized (2) 2nd round picks in B2B seasons on Running backs (K9 and Charbs) and we're 31st in the NFL in rush attempts while averaging 4.2 ypc? Thats a recipe for disaster... I can't see that sitting too well with not only MacDonald but also JS, which is why I don't see Grubbs coming back...

Now, I'm also a believer that Geno isn't going to ever be the guy to take us to the promise land - he's (12-20 range) QB imo so I believe we'll need to move on at some time but I don't want to "reach" just for the sake of trying to replace Geno... Geno is slated to make 38 million next year... Is that really that expensive for today's starting QB? He would be the 12th highest paid QB next year for the year... I can see the Seahawks just letting Geno ride out his contract and then moving on...

I personally would rather just stick with Geno and focus on beefing up the OL, getting a new OC...

• Tyler Lockett will need to renotiate or be released... My guess is he will retire at the end of this season...
• Ride out DK's contract... Reason for that is if we're not in contention mid way through the season, we can move him at the trade deadline... If we're in contention, then good on us... I 100% do not want to make him one of the highest paid WR's in the NFL... The reason I didn't mention that we trade DK before the season is if Tyler retires or is released... Filling in both spots would be a bit more challenging imo... Bobo is not going to amount to anything so to count on him, when he couldn't do much as the #4 is a big ask...
• If we end up trading DK and lose, Tyler, we'll need to resign a WR or 2 a long with drafting a WR or 2... I'm not against this direction either... I just don't want to pay DK...
• Trade one of our 3 DE/OLB's for a guard... We have Hall, Mafe and D. Jones that we can utilize as trade bait for a guard... Mafe and Hall would be easier since they haven't gotten a contract outside their rookie deal yet... If we just get a draft pick for them, we can utilize to draft a guard/RT...
• OL: We obviously need to replace our guards... Who knows. Olu may be better if we had 2 stronger guards playing beside him... I also think we need to find a replacement for Abe... I love the guy but his knees aren't dependable at this point... He's listed as questionable this weekend due to both knees... Signing/drafting a few OL at the guard and RT position is key for us moving forward...
• Noah Fant... Move on from him since we don't utilize our TE's much in the passing game...
• I'm also cool if we were able to trade for JJ with the Vikings... If we could trade for him with a 2nd that would be cool but we would most likely have to give up nothing less than our 1st... If the Vikings ask for more than that - we walk away from the table... Have a hard time believing they'd get more for him after he's already had an injury that took him out for the season in his first year as a pro...

 

[Anointed One]

Leonard Williams not getting to the probowl just feels so wrong.

Agreed... I thought he'd be a shoe in... Glad Spoon made it though... Just shows how dominate Jalen Carter was this year for Philly...

 

[MrS]

I think you are overestimating how much players put into winning when it comes to free agency. 99% of players are going to take the best offer, period.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I think you are overestimating how much players put into winning when it comes to free agency. 99% of players are going to take the best offer, period.

I assume you're talking to me... and I agree. We're going to have to make a higher offer than possibly 5 other teams because we're worse than those 5 other teams. If we all bid the same, I'm of the opinion the best guards in free agency will NOT go with us because there's more attractive destinations. Hey, I guess Seattle has no state income tax. There's that.

I don't get what is so difficult for some of you to understand (and I know you didn't reply to me directly MrS, I'm going back to the premium we have to pay that flyer responded to me on).. if ALL 32 teams are bidding on you. They are ALL paying the same price. They ALL need your service, you're going to go with the team (bias aside, hey if you just LOVE a team because you grew up there, fine) that has the best chance to win, has the best supporting cast, and we already know that all 32 teams CAN'T bid because some don't have the cap and money to afford it.

And why are you going with the team that can win? Because a Super Bowl winner and potentially PB/AP looks good on your resume, and with better players around you, you have a better chance of getting those. And getting those means more salary for a future extension which someone as young as Smith can CERTAINLY get. Now if someone comes along and says, "Hey we'll give you $50M a year for your guard services!" WELL DUH, you're going to sign it.

SO, if you really want a player or position, you have to outbid other teams if they are more attractive to the player. Hence, pay a premium. Now some teams with huge cap (a number that I already mentioned) can do that anyway... so wtf are we talking about at this point?