2024 Season Thread

[HaroldSeattle]

What do we all realistically expect schneider to do with the OL?
I dont think he signs a big name FA, i doubt they spend a 1st on a G, MAYBE a second rounder. But thats a big maybe.
i expect essentially the same OL as this year with a LB and WR taken in the first two rounds.

What would a different GM do this year? About the same most likely. It's unfortunate this draft class is mostly strong at WR and RB and hoping to convert a tackle (who isn't worthy of being a tackle in the NFL) into a guard is about the best anyone can do and that's not encouraging no matter the GM. I'm not a fan of JS and feel he botched roster construction with the RW draft capitol. He felt he was slick not using it to find a franchise QB or even to try and it was so predictable when he inked Geno and spent that capitol on other positions that we would end up where we are. but I don't want to start over and waste what talent the roster has, hiring Macdonald, trading for Ernest Jones, drafting Knight were all good moves and I approved of drafting Cross and Lucas. Got to hope JS understands where he went wrong. Course my biggest fear is he'll reach on a QB now that it's a shit class for QB, something a new GM would also be tempted to do. I want to see JS work on the OL above all, but honestly that's a uphill battle trying to find a gem among all the pebbles that are just rocks. Landing a good vet to help round out the OL would be nice but few FA are good OL and the price tag likely would become silly in any case, given how many teams need improvement on the OL. JS has done some good moves and some bad moves, but I don't think he's stupid and should understand what and where he needs to improve. I rather give him another year rather then blow every thing up this season, because then we could be back to the level the Seahawks were when they became a franchise and that took a long time to climb up to become relevant and I don't want to do that again.

 

[flyerhawk]

What would a different GM do this year? About the same most likely. It's unfortunate this draft class is mostly strong at WR and RB and hoping to convert a tackle (who isn't worthy of being a tackle in the NFL) into a guard is about the best anyone can do and that's not encouraging no matter the GM. I'm not a fan of JS and feel he botched roster construction with the RW draft capitol. He felt he was slick not using it to find a franchise QB or even to try and it was so predictable when he inked Geno and spent that capitol on other positions that we would end up where we are. but I don't want to start over and waste what talent the roster has, hiring Macdonald, trading for Ernest Jones, drafting Knight were all good moves and I approved of drafting Cross and Lucas. Got to hope JS understands where he went wrong. Course my biggest fear is he'll reach on a QB now that it's a shit class for QB, something a new GM would also be tempted to do. I want to see JS work on the OL above all, but honestly that's a uphill battle trying to find a gem among all the pebbles that are just rocks. Landing a good vet to help round out the OL would be nice but few FA are good OL and the price tag likely would become silly in any case, given how many teams need improvement on the OL. JS has done some good moves and some bad moves, but I don't think he's stupid and should understand what and where he needs to improve. I rather give him another year rather then blow every thing up this season, because then we could be back to the level the Seahawks were when they became a franchise and that took a long time to climb up to become relevant and I don't want to do that again.

Yeah. I want JS to get one more offseason to show that he has a real plan. He was a little handcuffed last offseason.

He's likely to make some big changes this offseason. A new GM, however, would likely blow everything up which probably would mean the end of the Macdonald era.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

LG before RT. We had a ton of bad luck at RT this year. Between Abe and Fant we have a decent RT group. Tomlinson was just not good this year and LG is such an important position.

lol I know flyer... my point was, there's a good chance the LG we are 'drafting' was a tackle... this isn't a 'guard draft'.. it's a convert an OT to guard draft. Might as well get a 'twofer'.

 

[MrS]

I expect him to address the glaringly obvious problem which is the offensive line. The defense is stabilized.

Why though? Has schneider admitted its a problem and needs fixing? Im not aware that he has, maybe i missed it.

My biggest fear is he thinks its fine and continues his MO of the past 15 years.

If we do trade Metcalf then I do expect them to use one of their 1st 2 picks on a WR or maybe whatever pick they get for Metcalf.

I see them doing it even if they dont trade metcalf, taking wr/RB in round two is what he has done consistently and i see no reason to think that stops.

What would a different GM do this year? About the same most likely. It's unfortunate this draft class is mostly strong at WR and RB and hoping to convert a tackle (who isn't worthy of being a tackle in the NFL) into a guard is about the best anyone can do and that's not encouraging no matter the GM.

Id want a GM that sees value in IOL because schneider does not. Meaning spend cap on a top G in FA which im 1000% certain schneider will not do.

I'm not a fan of JS and feel he botched roster construction with the RW draft capitol. He felt he was slick not using it to find a franchise QB or even to try and it was so predictable when he inked Geno and spent that capitol on other positions that we would end up where we are. but I don't want to start over and waste what talent the roster has, hiring Macdonald, trading for Ernest Jones, drafting Knight were all good moves and I approved of drafting Cross and Lucas.

Every GM has some good picks when they have had 15 years in the job, but we also had almost a decade of bad to awful drafts with a smattering of terrible trades. Trading wilson was his saving grace and only really because the broncos were incredibly foolish.

Got to hope JS understands where he went wrong. Course my biggest fear is he'll reach on a QB now that it's a shit class for QB, something a new GM would also be tempted to do. I want to see JS work on the OL above all, but honestly that's a uphill battle trying to find a gem among all the pebbles that are just rocks. Landing a good vet to help round out the OL would be nice but few FA are good OL and the price tag likely would become silly in any case, given how many teams need improvement on the OL.

This is what im wondering, why should we hope he will fix the OL when he has never showed the capability to do so? Has he even admitted its a problem?

JS has done some good moves and some bad moves, but I don't think he's stupid and should understand what and where he needs to improve. I rather give him another year rather then blow every thing up this season, because then we could be back to the level the Seahawks were when they became a franchise and that took a long time to climb up to become relevant and I don't want to do that again.

I know the fear is we end up in the basement in perpetuity but my fear of perpetual mediocrity is already here. This is a repeat of the Dennis Erickson era and i dont think schneider has the goods to get us out of it.

 

[flyerhawk]

Why though? Has schneider admitted its a problem and needs fixing? Im not aware that he has, maybe i missed it.

My biggest fear is he thinks its fine and continues his MO of the past 15 years.

Maybe. Time will tell.

I see them doing it even if they dont trade metcalf, taking wr/RB in round two is what he has done consistently and i see no reason to think that stops.

He's not drafting a RB. He's drafted 3 WRs in the first 2 rounds in 15 years, and 2 of those guys were barely in the 2nd.. Let's not act like he does it all the time.

Id want a GM that sees value in IOL because schneider does not. Meaning spend cap on a top G in FA which im 1000% certain schneider will not do.

Every GM has some good picks when they have had 15 years in the job, but we also had almost a decade of bad to awful draf

Yes. GMs that have 15 years of drafting record tend to have a lot of good picks.

ts with a smattering of terrible trades. Trading wilson was his saving grace and only really because the broncos were incredibly foolish.

This is what im wondering, why should we hope he will fix the OL when he has never showed the capability to do so? Has he even admitted its a problem?

I know the fear is we end up in the basement in perpetuity but my fear of perpetual mediocrity is already here. This is a repeat of the Dennis Erickson era and i dont think schneider has the goods to get us out of it.

We've already been through this. We've drafted lots of OL players early in the draft. He's taken more OL players in the 1st round than WRs and RBs combined.

We may never find that franchise QB. But that is as much a. function of luck as skill.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I know the fear is we end up in the basement in perpetuity but my fear of perpetual mediocrity is already here. This is a repeat of the Dennis Erickson era and i dont think schneider has the goods to get us out of it.

I don't know if JS has the goods to lead the Seahawks back to contention. However I'm not for being a expansion team again. Firing the GM which means firing the coaching staff, looking for a QB (when the draft is poor at that position), trading Metcalf, trading Walker is going back to being a expansion team again and I can't endorse that.

 

[MrS]

He's not drafting a RB. He's drafted 3 WRs in the first 2 rounds in 15 years, and 2 of those guys were barely in the 2nd.. Let's not act like he does it all the time.

2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023 they took a wr or RB in the first two rounds. In 2023 they took wr and RB in the first two rounds. Thats just recently, go back further and you see more 2nd rounders spent on RB and WR and a bunch of 3rd rounders too. They have spent first round picks on OL in 2010, 2011, 2016, 2022. Two of those were no brainer LTs. TWO OL taken in round 2 in schneiders tenure.

Three RBs in round two, three WRs in round two, TWO OL in round two. that is the draft philosophy, at least offensively, for schneider. why would he change it now?

Yes. GMs that have 15 years of drafting record tend to have a lot of good picks.

you or I could have had good picks in 15 years too. what schneider has shown is an inability to build a functional roster. taking skill players over OL and building outside in is not a recipe for success.

We've already been through this. We've drafted lots of OL players early in the draft. He's taken more OL players in the 1st round than WRs and RBs combined.

like i showed, he loves throwing away 2nd round picks on WRs and RBs. that was my original comment and its true.

We may never find that franchise QB. But that is as much a. function of luck as skill.

we could build an OL though, but not with schneider at the helm.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You realize that Darnold was on 2 different teams since he left the Jets, right? Darnold is much better because he behind one of the best lines in football. When he was with the Panthers two years he was pretty mediocre.

If your argument he tank for Arch, so be it. I fundamentally disagree but certainly others support the team winning 2 or 3 games in hopes of getting Arch.

Doesn't matter if he was coming from 5 different teams. Point still stands he was brought in as just a backup and not to mentor JJ. He has coaches that can do that.

So staying the course middle of the pack with no hope of a SB run with an average QB who won't get any better is the better option than starting Howell for a year to see what he has plus he's cheaper than Geno? If he sucks, than we know and have a high draft pick. It's not tanking trying to figure out what we have in them. Yet we exactly know what Geno is.

 

[blstoker]

No. The person's opinion on whose fault each pick was is largely irrelevant.

What it shows pretty clearly, however, is that Geno's picks are largely a reflection of the pressure he is facing. In particular the interior pressure he has faced throughout the season. When QBs face interior pressure they are far more likely to make mistakes. They throw off their backfoot. They short arm throws. Or they just eat it because they don't feel comfortable throwing the ball at all.

The reason why I may appear to be a Geno defender is NOT because I'm some huge fan of Geno. Geno is who he is. I defend him because unless the Hawks can get one of the magicians in the pocket like Mahomes or Burrow or Allen, it doesn't really much matter who our QBs. Sure fans want to see some young buck behind center and feel more hope. And they would certainly be more supportive of JJ McCarthy or Jalen Milroe or whomever we could get. But it won't really matter if the line doesn't improve.

Did Sam Darnold magically go from league average backup QB to all pro overnight? Or has he improved dramatically because he is behind one of the best offensive lines in the league?

If the Seahawks move on from Geno, I won't shed a single tear over it. I'll root for whomever they replace him with. But unless they fix the interior line, the outcome is unlikely to change in any meaningful way.

You said it was a "great thread" about Geno's picks. The thread was literally 25 posts explaining away why only 2 of the passes that were, or should have been, picks this season were Geno's fault and then it descends into everyone name calling each other about being in one camp or the other. It is online political discussion level of interactions, so I just assume it's a great thread only because the guy agrees with your assessment of the plays in question.

Now, I will admit I didn't read all 25 breakdowns, or his reasoning behind how 23 of the throws weren't Geno's issue. I read the first half or so, but when they claimed the left-handed throw out of the end zone was an unfortunate outcome to a play where Geno wasn't presented with a better alternative, I knew this was going to be a rose-colored outlook on Geno's performance. Geno broke every rule that a quarterback is taught from the very beginning and apparently it wasn't his fault his pass was intercepted. This wasn't some unbiased analysis, but had the point to show how it wasn't Geno all along, but ignored most if not all evidence that didn't support the claims.

I know why you defend Geno. There's some merit to the stance as well. The OLine isn't very good and it's been consistently in the lower end of the league since before Geno became the starter. I also feel that Geno's play has placed a lot of pressure on the line by holding onto the ball, being slow through his progressions, being indecisive and poor decision making. This is compounded even further when you've got your 4th RT, 3rd LG and 2nd center taking significant snaps.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You brought up the hypothetical

I see no reason to hope schneider fixes the OL unless ownership mandates it.

Pass on ward, better Qbs in next years draft

ID rather go with Howell and fail fast than another mediocre season with geno

No Qbs worth taking this year.
Maybe trade for mccarthy if he is available but thats a tad far fetched. Id rather watch the team collapse next year, clear the deck and start over with a big time hire and the top QB

Hell no to trading for JJ. No way should Seattle give up prime picks for an unknown. Michigan was a run heavy/defensive team that never asked JJ to shoulder the load and make game winning drives. Recent example is last years Natty title game. He could not move the ball effectively but the rush offense was on point shredding Huskies defense.

Firing Mac would be stupid. The guy had barley a functioning team with an inept QB turning the ball over in the redzone yet still got 9 wins. He needs a QBoF plus 2 solid drafts to get his type of guys to run his system. Most national talking heads had us at 3 to 5 wins, Mac has almost doubled that total and that too me speaks volumes.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yeah. I want JS to get one more offseason to show that he has a real plan. He was a little handcuffed last offseason.

He's likely to make some big changes this offseason. A new GM, however, would likely blow everything up which probably would mean the end of the Macdonald era.

If Schnieder doesn't address the o-line except small band aide moves than 2025 season better be his last.

 

[MrS]

Hell no to trading for JJ. No way should Seattle give up prime picks for an unknown. Michigan was a run heavy/defensive team that never asked JJ to shoulder the load and make game winning drives. Recent example is last years Natty title game. He could not move the ball effectively but the rush offense was on point shredding Huskies defense.

he may have been in consideration for the #1 pick this year had he stayed in school, 18th overall pick could be a bargain.

Firing Mac would be stupid. The guy had barley a functioning team with an inept QB turning the ball over in the redzone yet still got 9 wins. He needs a QBoF plus 2 solid drafts to get his type of guys to run his system. Most national talking heads had us at 3 to 5 wins, Mac has almost doubled that total and that too me speaks volumes.

im not for firing him, BUT if dumping schneider means he gets canned too then im ok with it.

If Schnieder doesn't address the o-line except small band aide moves than 2025 season better be his last.

why give him one more year? he hasnt fixed it in the previous 15 and has shown zero inclination to do so.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

he may have been in consideration for the #1 pick this year had he stayed in school, 18th overall pick could be a bargain.

im not for firing him, BUT if dumping schneider means he gets canned too then im ok with it.

why give him one more year? he hasnt fixed it in the previous 15 and has shown zero inclination to do so.

He's a game manager that was asked to do very little. He's no way a top 10 or even first rounder.
I'm for Schnider going but replacing Mac hopefully new GM would give him a chance. That Ravens defense he ran would be cause to keep him and build it up here.
1 more yr maybe Mac can show Schnider on which o-line guys need to be drafted. 15yrs yes but Pete had a lot of influence on the drafts.

 

[MrS]

Rams are starting jimmy G and may sit other starters too.
10 wins very likely.

 

[flyerhawk]

He's a game manager that was asked to do very little. He's no way a top 10 or even first rounder.
I'm for Schnider going but replacing Mac hopefully new GM would give him a chance. That Ravens defense he ran would be cause to keep him and build it up here.
1 more yr maybe Mac can show Schnider on which o-line guys need to be drafted. 15yrs yes but Pete had a lot of influence on the drafts.

I think you are kinda misrepresenting J's impact on the team. He was usually asked to do things in high leverage situations and did them well. He had one of the best 3rd down conversion rates in the country.

He may flop as a pro but he's a legit prospect

 

[Screamin12th]

Rams are starting jimmy G and may sit other starters too.
10 wins very likely.

10 wins or 9 wins i think we are pretty much locked into the 18 spot. Might drop to 17 if we lost? I think Cincy if they get in we drop one spot? Not sure how this all works because i know if atlanta gets in the Bucs drop below us where Atlanta is i think.

 

[JMR]

So the Rams are gonna start Jimmy G against us?? They will be the 4th seed if we beat them and Tampa wins, which means the Rams would host the loser of Minn/Detroit in round 1 and Tampa gets GB. I guess McVay doesn't see much of a difference in those 3 opponents, which seems a bit bizarre to me.

Edit: I guess another conclusion could be that McVay thinks they'll roll along just fine with Jimmy G in there and beat us anyway. And that could very well be true.

 

[MrS]

So the Rams are gonna start Jimmy G against us?? They will be the 4th seed if we beat them and Tampa wins, which means the Rams would host the loser of Minn/Detroit in round 1 and Tampa gets GB. I guess McVay doesn't see much of a difference in those 3 opponents, which seems a bit bizarre to me.

Edit: I guess another conclusion could be that McVay thinks they'll roll along just fine with Jimmy G in there and beat us anyway. And that could very well be true.

They beat minny at home already maybe they like the matchup

 

[flyerhawk]

You said it was a "great thread" about Geno's picks. The thread was literally 25 posts explaining away why only 2 of the passes that were, or should have been, picks this season were Geno's fault and then it descends into everyone name calling each other about being in one camp or the other. It is online political discussion level of interactions, so I just assume it's a great thread only because the guy agrees with your assessment of the plays in question.

I thought it was a great thread because the poster took the time to show the ALL-22 for each interception. He offer his interpretation of the play and who was at fault. I don't necessarily agree with him on each play.

My point, however, wasn't an attempt to exonerate Geno. It points out that vast majority of his picks were in situations where he was under pressure. Now all QBs face pressure. What separates the elite QBs from everyone else is how they handle pressure. IMO, Geno is completely average in handling pressure. Which is not great when you are one of the most pressured QBs in the league.

Now, I will admit I didn't read all 25 breakdowns, or his reasoning behind how 23 of the throws weren't Geno's issue. I read the first half or so, but when they claimed the left-handed throw out of the end zone was an unfortunate outcome to a play where Geno wasn't presented with a better alternative, I knew this was going to be a rose-colored outlook on Geno's performance. Geno broke every rule that a quarterback is taught from the very beginning and apparently it wasn't his fault his pass was intercepted. This wasn't some unbiased analysis, but had the point to show how it wasn't Geno all along, but ignored most if not all evidence that didn't support the claims.

To be clear, he definitely laid blame on Geno for several of his picks.

I know why you defend Geno. There's some merit to the stance as well. The OLine isn't very good and it's been consistently in the lower end of the league since before Geno became the starter. I also feel that Geno's play has placed a lot of pressure on the line by holding onto the ball, being slow through his progressions, being indecisive and poor decision making. This is compounded even further when you've got your 4th RT, 3rd LG and 2nd center taking significant snaps.

The thing is, as fans, we really don't know if Geno is too slow in the pocket. A QB has to wait for the routes to develop. Of course some plays he holds on too long. Sometimes he checks down when it should go deep. That's true of all QBs. But I think it is just so hard to judge Geno on this because we have soooo many blocking breakdowns. That last pick against the Vikings is a perfect example. Not only does DK quit on the route but Olu completely whiffs on his block. But ultimately Geno is the one who gets blamed for the pick.

Now, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how much we have to change the OL and how much we just need them to be consistently playing together and get more reps. Everyone on the line, except Tomlinson, is a 3rd year or less starter. That's young. Of course, Tomlinson is the guy I want to find a replacement for. He was not good at all for us. They need to come up with a way to get a good LG in there, as that could greatly stabilize the entire line.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

They need to come up with a way to get a good LG in there, as that could greatly stabilize the entire line.

We need to get Booker from Bama.. and then just spend the 2nd rounder on one of the various OTs that will probably be forced to play guard but if anything we need a backup plan for Lucas. And then ditch DK and his impending massive contract and grab Harris (who I'm assuming we can use the 2nd rounder we'll get from trading DK), who is to some degree a DK clone (without a $30M contract ask).