2024 Season Thread

[flyerhawk]

Even you don't believe that.

Too many people seem to think that football is a quarterback plus 21 other guys. Rosters matter. Thinking that Geno could never get past the 1st round is pretty outrageous given that Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, Jimmy Garrapolo nearly won a Super Bowl, and Blake Bortles got to an AFC Championship game. These all happened in the not too distance past.

Can Geno Smith carry a team in the playoffs? Absolutely not. But get enough talent around him and he can win games in the playoffs.

 

[flyerhawk]

20 of our 27 wins in the last three years were 4th quarter comebacks?

I looked it up. He has 18 career Game Winning Drives and 11 with the Seahawks which doesn't include games like the Vikings game where he marched down the field with 4 minutes left and scored a TD or the Rams game where led to the team to a game tying TD with a minute left only to have our team be completely unable to get 1 yard on 2 plays which led us to losing.

Football is a team sport. The other players matter.

 

[MrS]

I looked it up. He has 18 career Game Winning Drives and 11 with the Seahawks which doesn't include games like the Vikings game where he marched down the field with 4 minutes left and scored a TD or the Rams game where led to the team to a game tying TD with a minute left only to have our team be completely unable to get 1 yard on 2 plays which led us to losing.

Football is a team sport. The other players matter.

Other players matter and wilson's strengths happened to compensate where other players were weak in a way geno never could.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

They are going to need a somewhat established vet to be the presumptive starter no matter who they want to invest in as their QB of the future. I know you like Fields, and maybe they make a push for him. But as @JMR mentioned, there are several contract deadlines in Geno's contract that would require us to decide pretty quickly on whether we keep him or eat a bunch of money.

Cutting Geno and having only Sam Howell on the roster sounds like an incredibly risky path that requires either a lot of faith in Howell or a lot of faith in whoever else they bring in to be a front line starter next year.

I know for us it is easy to say that we should do X, Y or Z. But cutting Geno and replacing him with someone worse would almost guarantee that Schneider gets fired next year. Maybe Macdonald as well.

You don't need an established vet to be the starter. look around the league and there are no place holders for future QBs sitting on the bench waiting. Jayden Daniels 1st day starter/Caleb Williams day 1 starter/The Drake in NE day 1 starter/Nix day 1 starter/Stroud day 1 starter/Bryce Young day 1 starter/Pennix should have been a day 1 starter if Atlanta FO didn't hand over a bag of cash to an average QB. Russ day 1 starter as a third round pick. You don't need to waste money on an average QB that makes poor decisions at critical times.

If Seattle won't go through FA then Howell gets the keys for the year and see what happens. If he fails than Seattle is close to the top of the draft to pick QBoF

Missing the 2025 playoffs with Geno back could get Schnider fired.

 

[flyerhawk]

Other players matter and wilson's strengths happened to compensate where other players were weak in a way geno never could.

OK. I'm not really going to argue the counter-factual hypotheticals. If you want to believe that Geno can't win 2 playoff games no matter the team, that's your choice.

I think fans tend to place way too much credit/blame on QBs. Sure, guys like Mahomes and Burrow and Allen elevate their teams. They are the elite.

But if you swapped Geno Smith with Sam Darnold, are you seriously suggesting that the Vikings would be demonstrably worse this year and the Seahawks would be demonstrably better?

What's the point of saying we need a better OL if we think it all comes down to the QB?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Too many people seem to think that football is a quarterback plus 21 other guys. Rosters matter. Thinking that Geno could never get past the 1st round is pretty outrageous given that Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, Jimmy Garrapolo nearly won a Super Bowl, and Blake Bortles got to an AFC Championship game. These all happened in the not too distance past.

Can Geno Smith carry a team in the playoffs? Absolutely not. But get enough talent around him and he can win games in the playoffs.

Nick Foles didn't make bone headed mistakes when he took over for Wentz. He out dueled Brady which Geno would never have been able to do.
Our SB yes had rostered the best defense in team history but that's a slap in Russ's face saying Geno could have done the same. Russ's mobility and football IQ is was superior than Geno's. I get you're a Geno fan but you're living in fantasy land.

 

[flyerhawk]

You don't need an established vet to be the starter. look around the league and there are no place holders for future QBs sitting on the bench waiting. Jayden Daniels 1st day starter/Caleb Williams day 1 starter/The Drake in NE day 1 starter/Nix day 1 starter/Stroud day 1 starter/Bryce Young day 1 starter/Pennix should have been a day 1 starter if Atlanta FO didn't hand over a bag of cash to an average QB. Russ day 1 starter as a third round pick. You don't need to waste money on an average QB that makes poor decisions at critical times.

Daniels/Williams/May/Nix/Stroud were all early 1st round picks. They drafted them with the expectation that they would be the starters as some point this year. Hell, Sam Darnold was brought on specifically to get JJ McCarthy ready.

As for Russ, they spent a bunch of money to bring in Matt Flynn the same offseason they drafted Russ. They expected Flynn to be the starter. Had they not stepped into doodoo with Russ, it's entirely possible that the Pete legacy in Seattle would have been very different.

If Seattle won't go through FA then Howell gets the keys for the year and see what happens. If he fails than Seattle is close to the top of the draft to pick QBoF

Missing the 2025 playoffs with Geno back could get Schnider fired.

So cut Geno, put Howell in as the starter and just find some late round pick to be the backup? That's a choice I guess. That's putting a lot of faith in Howell.

 

[flyerhawk]

Nick Foles didn't make bone headed mistakes when he took over for Wentz. He out dueled Brady which Geno would never have been able to do.
Our SB yes had rostered the best defense in team history but that's a slap in Russ's face saying Geno could have done the same. Russ's mobility and football IQ is was superior than Geno's. I get you're a Geno fan but you're living in fantasy land.

I love Russ. But we won that SB because of the defense and Lynch. He made a bunch of mistakes in the playoffs, especially against the Niners.

Russ is a better QB than Geno. Not suggesting otherwise. FTR, I'm not even saying that Geno would have won the Super Bowl with that Seahawks team. But he could have.

 

[blstoker]

He has something like 20 4th quarter comebacks in the last 3 seasons.

People are creating this alternate universe where Geno Smith doesn't do anything well. That's just bunk.

9 4QC. Which isn't bad.

 

[JMR]

so its another 9-8 at best season in 2025.

Not sure. Is the OL going to be better? Improve the interior of the OL, and I think overall the execution on offense will improve because fewer plays will get blown up. Less dudes in Geno's face. Most of the time, blocking breakdowns is what leads to negative plays.

But I wouldn't mind being aggressive and going after Cam Ward. The problem is free agency being 3 months before the draft.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Daniels/Williams/May/Nix/Stroud were all early 1st round picks. They drafted them with the expectation that they would be the starters as some point this year. Hell, Sam Darnold was brought on specifically to get JJ McCarthy ready.

As for Russ, they spent a bunch of money to bring in Matt Flynn the same offseason they drafted Russ. They expected Flynn to be the starter. Had they not stepped into doodoo with Russ, it's entirely possible that the Pete legacy in Seattle would have been very different.



So cut Geno, put Howell in as the starter and just find some late round pick to be the backup? That's a choice I guess. That's putting a lot of faith in Howell.

Those teams had bad QB play to get them the opportunity to draft QBoF and keeping Geno around does nothing more than spinning tires into another 8/9 win season. So yes start Howell or bring in a cheap FA QB to see what you have and if it's disaster than Seattle is towards the top of the draft.

Darnold wasn't brought in to help JJ. No one would ever think that coming from a crap Jets team. JJ was going to be day 1 starter while Darnold was a cheap backup. I will say unfortunate for JJ and good on Darnold to take the keys and run into the playoffs.

Darnold is a perfect example why cutting Geno and bringing in Fields is the better option. Darnold was trash in NJ but real coaching with talent around him they're almost a 1 seed. Fields with Steelers looked better and being with solid coaching under Seattle's coaches on the cheap with a solid draft to back him up could at least contend for the division or maybe a tad better.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I love Russ. But we won that SB because of the defense and Lynch. He made a bunch of mistakes in the playoffs, especially against the Niners.

Russ is a better QB than Geno. Not suggesting otherwise. FTR, I'm not even saying that Geno would have won the Super Bowl with that Seahawks team. But he could have.

Yes that SB was laughable in our favor. There wasn't a need for Russ to do much all things considering but he still got us there.

Yes Russ made mistakes against the Niners and also made plenty mistakes against GB yet he put together drives and game winning TD against GB
Geno couldn't do that with that amount of pressure on his shoulders.

Geno would not have gotten us to the SB.

 

[flyerhawk]

Those teams had bad QB play to get them the opportunity to draft QBoF and keeping Geno around does nothing more than spinning tires into another 8/9 win season. So yes start Howell or bring in a cheap FA QB to see what you have and if it's disaster than Seattle is towards the top of the draft.

Darnold wasn't brought in to help JJ. No one would ever think that coming from a crap Jets team. JJ was going to be day 1 starter while Darnold was a cheap backup. I will say unfortunate for JJ and good on Darnold to take the keys and run into the playoffs.

Darnold is a perfect example why cutting Geno and bringing in Fields is the better option. Darnold was trash in NJ but real coaching with talent around him they're almost a 1 seed. Fields with Steelers looked better and being with solid coaching under Seattle's coaches on the cheap with a solid draft to back him up could at least contend for the division or maybe a tad better.

You realize that Darnold was on 2 different teams since he left the Jets, right? Darnold is much better because he behind one of the best lines in football. When he was with the Panthers two years he was pretty mediocre.

If your argument he tank for Arch, so be it. I fundamentally disagree but certainly others support the team winning 2 or 3 games in hopes of getting Arch.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Well that isn't true.

JSN had a very good season. Leonard Williams had a very good season. Julian Love had a good season. Greg Jones had a good season. Devon Witherspoon had a good season. AJ Barner had a good season. Charles Cross had a good season.

It should be pointed out that this year we had a 1st time coach at HC, OC, DC, and STC. It's not shocking that there were some issues. Anyone who thought everything would go smoothly with all these first timers was being completely unrealistic.

We all thought this team would be somewhere around 8-11 wins. We were literally 3 or 4 plays away from being an 11 win team.

Sorry flyer, I guess I meant 'all pro' season lol.

There was a number of games Seattle lost and I was like, "Well at least Dickson punted well" lol. He was the 2nd highest in net yards (fuckin' KC) per punt and top 10 inside 20.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

The absolute ceiling with geno is one and done in the playoffs, i want to win superbowls

Yah I get it MrS.... just sayin, there's a lot more wrong with the team at the moment. A 1st round QB is not going to fix things.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yah I get it MrS.... just sayin, there's a lot more wrong with the team at the moment. A 1st round QB is not going to fix things.

Not this year, but heck MrS been lobbying for a DT again.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Not this year, but heck MrS been lobbying for a DT again.

I hate to say it, but I think we need to go OT and WR with our first two picks again. Let DK and Lockett walk (we knew Lockett was going anyway) and get a replacement for Lucas at the worst or convert to guard which we need. It's a VERY weak class for defense, RT/G (converted)/WR it's actually not bad. And then grab another RB IMO - let K9 walk.

We need DT as well (Reed is getting old, and Hankins is) but you can only do so much. Seattle needs to draft strongest position available... and WR/RB/RT/G (converted) is this draft. Maybe sneak a QB in.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I hate to say it, but I think we need to go OT and WR with our first two picks again. Let DK and Lockett walk (we knew Lockett was going anyway) and get a replacement for Lucas at the worst or convert to guard which we need. It's a VERY weak class for defense, RT/G (converted)/WR it's actually not bad. And then grab another RB IMO - let K9 walk.

We need DT as well (Reed is getting old, and Hankins is) but you can only do so much.

Might be the way to go.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Might be the way to go.

Yah we'll see Harold. I edited my post a bit, but the same message (I gotta stop that, I have a horrible habit of editing after I post lol)

 

[Screamin12th]

You put Geno Smith on that 2013 Seahawks team and they still win a Super Bowl. Geno can't carry a team. But he can win games with the right cast.

Oh no, Geno with the LoB support wouldnt have won a superbowl. This is crazy thinking. Geno doesnt have that "It" factor and chokes way to often. He might have made it to a superbowl MIGHT HAVE but he wouldnt have won. This offense we have now has more skill on it than the 2013 team minus Lynch. They would have average about 22-23 PPG with Geno not the 26.1 PPG they did in 2013.

Also How many of those "comebacks" were because GENO fucked up? Half of them? More than half? Also when Geno is put into hurry up you are taking the control out of his hands and head. Thats when Geno had the most success but you CAN NOT play hurry up all season long. We would average 15 Minutes of ToP for a GAME that way getting our Defense KILLED out there.