2023-24 Flyers: What's new is old again.

[eaglesnut]

Here we fucking go. Fuck me!! This kid supposedly wanted Philadelphia and wants to win Cups. He better fucking walk the talk.

As soon as Phoenix took Simashev, I figured we would take Michkov. So, I am frustrated, but not surprised.

I suppose we're trying to hit a grand slam with this pick, but if he does stay in Russia for the next 3 years or longer, this is really going to suck.

This team has sucked for a while and is brutal to watch. In three years I hope they're worth watching again. Nothing lost.

 

[dspice07]

Im not saying we shouldn't have traded him I'm saying it was a terrible trade. Definitely could've gotten more for Hayes if we were eating half his salary. Getting next to nothing isn't a salary dump its charity.

Not that I am going to defend Chuck here but...he alluded to this at the trade deadline. Teams do not like Kevin Hayes and there is essentially no market for him. Not even at 3.5M.

Honestly don't understand the love affair with this guy from the beat writers and such. Tragic what personally happened to him but from all accounts he was not a leader, nor a good influence on young players, and was lazy on the ice so good riddance.

 

[raptorlife4]

Again I am happy we traded him and glad he's gone.
I will be happy to grin and bear it but the fact still remains the return for him was horrible.


Reilly Smith from Vegas makes 5 million had 56 points brought a 3rd rounder back from Pitt.
Hayes a year younger 54 points 3.5 million salary (us eating the other half) brought back a 6th rounder

I hear you. Its tough .
If you're asking me though id take Smith over Hayes everyday

 

[Sparhawk]

Again I am happy we traded him and glad he's gone.
I will be happy to grin and bear it but the fact still remains the return for him was horrible.


Reilly Smith from Vegas makes 5 million had 56 points brought a 3rd rounder back from Pitt.
Hayes a year younger 54 points 3.5 million salary (us eating the other half) brought back a 6th rounder

Kevin Hayes vs. Reilly Smith: Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com

Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Kevin Hayes and Reilly Smith including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com

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One of these players may not be like the other......

 

[chy1127]

I think Hayes' value plummeted as he totally disappeared for the last 30 games. He started the season with a bang but finished with a whimper. Drop offs like that usually means someone is playing through an injury. It doesn't appear to be injury related.

 

[lasgop8]

Not that I am going to defend Chuck here but...he alluded to this at the trade deadline. Teams do not like Kevin Hayes and there is essentially no market for him. Not even at 3.5M.

Honestly don't understand the love affair with this guy from the beat writers and such. Tragic what personally happened to him but from all accounts he was not a leader, nor a good influence on young players, and was lazy on the ice so good riddance.

Not to disagree with you but Chuck made that statement about JVR. Just stating facts.

 

[lasgop8]

I think Hayes' value plummeted as he totally disappeared for the last 30 games. He started the season with a bang but finished with a whimper. Drop offs like that usually means someone is playing through an injury. It doesn't appear to be injury related.

We all know Lavi plays a defense first system and Hayes was in his doghouse publicly many times by mid season so it was quite obvious he was just going through the motions in the 2nd half.

 

[lasgop8]

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Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Kevin Hayes and Reilly Smith including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com

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One of these players may not be like the other......

They are very similar stat wise so i do appreciate you helping me prove my point.

 

[Sparhawk]

They are very similar stat wise so i do appreciate you helping me prove my point.

Agreed.
Average time on ice is the best indicator to compare these two.......

 

[dspice07]

Not to disagree with you but Chuck made that statement about JVR. Just stating facts.

Ahhh could be true about that, I was remembering what I assumed was a blanket statement about the trade deadline applied across all of our undesirable players.

“I’m not worried about my job. Whatever happens with me will happen with me. That’s up to Dave Scott,” said Fletcher. “Everything I do is about doing what’s right for the Philadelphia Flyers and not taking shortcuts. And that’s in part why we didn’t make any more deals today. The deals that were presented to me were not good deals for the Philadelphia Flyers.”

 

[awaz]

Flyers trade a 2nd next year for a 2nd this year to take G Bjarnason out of the WHL. They must've been really high on this dude. There was a ton of talk about the Flyers trying to get in to the 2nd round which always seemed super weird to me. Why try to get a 2nd when you could be trying to get a 1st?

Maybe they had this guy slotted around here and really wanted him? Of all things though, a goalie? Seems like a weird use of a 2nd round pick considering Hart and Ersson. They've got to be really high on him. Hopefully it's the compensatory pick for O'Brien which I think will be #50ish, because the Flyers 2nd rounder... sigh.. was traded for Deangelo... The other one they have (had?) for next year is CBJ's. So both might fall in around #50.

 

[lasgop8]

Flyers trade a 2nd next year for a 2nd this year to take G Bjarnason out of the WHL. They must've been really high on this dude. There was a ton of talk about the Flyers trying to get in to the 2nd round which always seemed super weird to me. Why try to get a 2nd when you could be trying to get a 1st?

Maybe they had this guy slotted around here and really wanted him? Of all things though, a goalie? Seems like a weird use of a 2nd round pick considering Hart and Ersson. They've got to be really high on him. Hopefully it's the compensatory pick for O'Brien which I think will be #50ish, because the Flyers 2nd rounder... sigh.. was traded for Deangelo... The other one they have (had?) for next year is CBJ's. So both might fall in around #50.

He was the 4th goalie drafted in the 2nd round. This is just weird at this point.

 

[lasgop8]

Another goalie in the 3rd round? WTF?

 

[lasgop8]

Finally a center at the end of the 3rd round. Thank you Jesus.
Guess we are stocking up on centers now as another drafted in the 4th round

 

[awaz]

Another goalie in the 3rd round? WTF?

Ya, first one was weird. Taking a second one just seems ridiculous. Are we trying to corner the market on goaltending?

 

[awaz]

Finally a center at the end of the 3rd round. Thank you Jesus.
Guess we are stocking up on centers now as another drafted in the 4th round

Charlie says we're getting guys in the last few rounds that were rated much higher in public scouting stuff, so that seems good? Will be interesting to see the breakdown was all said and done.

 

[dspice07]

Ya, first one was weird. Taking a second one just seems ridiculous. Are we trying to corner the market on goaltending?

Anyone slightly concerned about this Canadian Junior team investigation due to be finalized here in the next 2-3 weeks???

Just a little thing I found interesting, my buddy designed the opening night t shirts for Flyers last year and he was specifically asked to remove Carter Hart from the myriad of players and Torts who were on his original shirt design....

 

[lasgop8]

Ya, first one was weird. Taking a second one just seems ridiculous. Are we trying to corner the market on goaltending?

We now have Hart, Peterson, Errsson, Sandstrom and these 2 very high draft picks as goalies. I have to assume 2 will be traded or it just doesn't make sense at all.

 

[lasgop8]

Anyone slightly concerned about this Canadian Junior team investigation due to be finalized here in the next 2-3 weeks???

Just a little thing I found interesting, my buddy designed the opening night t shirts for Flyers last year and he was specifically asked to remove Carter Hart from the myriad of players and Torts who were on his original shirt design....

I could see Hart as he was on the team but i didn't realize that Torts was one of the coaches .

From the Sporting news:

The following players have come out either via personal statement or with their agency to say that they were not involved with the allegations: Jake Bean, Kale Clague, Max Comtois, Dillon Dube, Dante Fabbro, Cal Foote, Jonah Gadjovich, Carter Hart, Brett Howden, Cale Makar, Colton Point, Taylor Raddysh, Sam Steel, Tyler Steenbergen Robert Thomas and Conor Timmins.

The following players have stated that they have fully cooperated with the investigation but declined to comment further: Boris Katchouk, Drake Batherson and Michael McLeod.
Alex Formenton is the lone player that has not made any comments to date.

Wait a minute Torts is American why would he be involved?​

 

[lasgop8]

How funny was it last night when Carey Price forgot the name of the player he was supposed to announce