Series Thread: 2021 NBA Finals: Milwaukee Bucks vs. Phoenix Suns

[Scooby-Doo]

when he went down in the playoffs he missed 2 games.....the other team was missing a decent player for the series.

suns still get credit, but to say other teams got what they deserved for bringing in older, injury prone players was an absurd comment for you to make when CP is the epitome of that statement.

Is Murray old? Kawhi? AD? Latter 2 injury prone, sure....but only CP of that group is old AND injury prone.

lol.. nice reach. Show me where I said, "other teams got what they deserved". I said, don't be shocked if/when they go down. If paul went down with a season-ending injury, it wouldn't have shocked me.

 

[gohusk]

agree, but by this "logic" probably wasn't smart to deal for CP3.

he's on the tail end of his contract and the team obviously has a couple of young stars to build around. This isn't like the Nets signing 3 guys, 2 over 30 and the third a guy who's had a history of injuries, for 100 million+. Of course there's a risk there but it's not one that would have set the franchise back for years if it failed.

 

[tlance]

he's on the tail end of his contract and the team obviously has a couple of young stars to build around. This isn't like the Nets signing 3 guys, 2 over 30 and the third a guy who's had a history of injuries, for 100 million+. Of course there's a risk there but it's not one that would have set the franchise back for years if it failed.

The Nets very well could come up empty in the title department with this core.

However, there is no doubt that the moves they made to assemble their big 3 were awesome.

They have a championship core, they just need to have some better luck in the playoffs and maybe make a tweak or 2.

And how are they set back? The core they had before signing KD and Kyrie wasn’t going to be any better than a 1st round playoff exit. If this roster fails, they reset and try again in a few years.

 

[dtgold88]

Not sure how it is beyond comical when I clearly said it can make or break your season and luck is always part of it. The clippers won 2 without Leonard and the Suns won 2 without Paul. The difference is the Suns have a more balanced team. And they did close them out in LA by 27.

The difference is losing Kawhi for the entire series as opposed to CP for 2 games. Kawhi also better than CP.

 

[Wamu]

Is there any truth to this? New logo-NBA at 75 for next season.

 

[gohusk]

The Nets very well could come up empty in the title department with this core.

However, there is no doubt that the moves they made to assemble their big 3 were awesome.

They have a championship core, they just need to have some better luck in the playoffs and maybe make a tweak or 2.

And how are they set back? The core they had before signing KD and Kyrie wasn’t going to be any better than a 1st round playoff exit. If this roster fails, they reset and try again in a few years.

The difference is that all these guys came in as vets and are basically the entire team. They aren't going to get anything great in the draft because they'll keep the Nets well out of the lottery while they're there and with all of the contracts they have zero cash to build a bench. When this team breaks up the Nets will be hot garbage for a while. They just have the player option with Paul for next year so if it blew up then whatever, shit happens, we're back to our two young stars to build around.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The difference is losing Kawhi for the entire series as opposed to CP for 2 games. Kawhi also better than CP.

They would definitely be more evenly matched with Kawhi. Without him, the Suns are clearly better.

 

[dtgold88]

Well they are going to get a title out of it and no one can say it wasn’t primarily CP3 that made the difference. With the advent of super teams you just have to roll tne dice.

I happen to agree....but I'm not the one who said don't be shocked when your season comes to a screeching halt because you tried to win with older, injury prone players. and CP is older and more injury prone than most of the guys who went down.

 

[dtgold88]

They made a trade for one missing piece. He has not been healthy either. And yes.. they have been lucky on many levels. But luck is part of virtually any playoff run.

no disagreement there.

 

[dtgold88]

They would definitely be more evenly matched with Kawhi. Without him, the Suns are clearly better.

The Suns at full strength are better than LAC minus Kawhi. No disagreement. Make it apples/apples and take away best player for entire series I'm not so sure.

 

[dtgold88]

lol.. nice reach. Show me where I said, "other teams got what they deserved". I said, don't be shocked if/when they go down. If paul went down with a season-ending injury, it wouldn't have shocked me.

I agree...I misunderstood your comment or what you were trying to say. My bad.

 

[tlance]

The difference is that all these guys came in as vets and are basically the entire team. They aren't going to get anything great in the draft because they'll keep the Nets well out of the lottery while they're there and with all of the contracts they have zero cash to build a bench. When this team breaks up the Nets will be hot garbage for a while. They just have the player option with Paul for next year so if it blew up then whatever, shit happens, we're back to our two young stars to build around.

So?

What was the alternative for the Nets?

Win 45 games and lose in the first round for a few years?

No thanks.

3 weeks ago they were prohibitive title favorites. They got unlucky. Maybe they get unlucky again next year.

In the risk/reward spectrum, the reward for the moves the Nets made way way outweighs the risk.

 

[bksballer89]

The difference is that all these guys came in as vets and are basically the entire team. They aren't going to get anything great in the draft because they'll keep the Nets well out of the lottery while they're there and with all of the contracts they have zero cash to build a bench. When this team breaks up the Nets will be hot garbage for a while.

If they get a title or 2 out of it then it was all worth it

 

[gohusk]

So?

What was the alternative for the Nets?

Win 45 games and lose in the first round for a few years?

No thanks.

3 weeks ago they were prohibitive title favorites. They got unlucky. Maybe they get unlucky again next year.

In the risk/reward spectrum, the reward for the moves the Nets made way way outweighs the risk.

So it's different. The original response was to "well you could say the same thing about the CP3 signing" when they're actually two entirely different things. Ayton's still on his rookie contract. If the Nets win then it's all fine and dandy. If they don't win it's probably still fine and dandy because they're filling seats. But if you're saying that the risk of signing Paul is anywhere the risk of what the Nets are trying to pull off then you're way off base.

 

[gohusk]

If they get a title or 2 out of it then it was all worth it

That's a big if. When they lost game 7 to the Bucks the bench had zero points on zero shot attempts.

 

[tlance]

So it's different. The original response was to "well you could say the same thing about the CP3 signing" when they're actually two entirely different things. Ayton's still on his rookie contract. If the Nets win then it's all fine and dandy. If they don't win it's probably still fine and dandy because they're filling seats. But if you're saying that the risk of signing Paul is anywhere the risk of what the Nets are trying to pull off then you're way off base.

I don’t think either were risky in any way at all.

Neither team was particularly close to contender status before making these moves. There was nothing to lose.

Even if the Nets fail in epic fashion, they really won’t be that far behind where they were. Which was basically nowhere.

The Suns had a talented core, but they needed glue and leadership. Enter CP3 and Crowder.

 

[bksballer89]

That's a big if. When they lost game 7 to the Bucks the bench had zero points on zero shot attempts.

It was game 7. Teams try not to rely much on bench players in game 7. The Bucks had 1 bench player score in that same game

Also should be noted that one of their better bench players was forced to start due to the Kyrie injury

 

[bksballer89]

Jamal Murray and @Scooby-Doo

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The difference is that all these guys came in as vets and are basically the entire team. They aren't going to get anything great in the draft because they'll keep the Nets well out of the lottery while they're there and with all of the contracts they have zero cash to build a bench. When this team breaks up the Nets will be hot garbage for a while. They just have the player option with Paul for next year so if it blew up then whatever, shit happens, we're back to our two young stars to build around.

Not necessarily. If you ease out of the big 3 in the right way you can retool it on the fly. The beauty of being willing to spend into the luxury allows for it. Granted they do ultimately need one season of no luxury to avoid the repeat charges. And they can build a better bench. Don't forget along with the injuries to their stars they lost Dinwiddie and Aldridge.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

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