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Like your confidence, I’m more at the hoping stage. Every new signing the Seahawks make, it’s harder to create cap space needed.

Yeah, right now Clowney is basically cuts to Britt and Wright to keep the cap where it needs to be. Granted it may also require Seattle trading down completely out of the first round to limit the cap hit of the top draft pick. Granted, that may be in the plan with or without Clowney.
 

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Like your confidence, I’m more at the hoping stage. Every new signing the Seahawks make, it’s harder to create cap space needed.
Well, I guess that depends on how much cap space we need to sign Clowney. It's really not all that hard to create space if you have to have it. It happens pretty much every year. I also have a hard time thinking that as Clowney is reportedly lowering his asking price, we are becoming less interested and therefore make other moves that prevent us from signing him. I don't know what the numbers are on Mayowa, but I didn't expect they would re-sign Clowney and not add another role player type guy anyway. Now if we go out and sign Griffen after just adding Mayowa, then I think it would signal that Clowney won't come back and show our strategy to be having a bunch of "decent" guys that we can rotate and keep fresh vs building around 1 upper tier player on the DL. That was pretty much our approach in 2013.
 

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Yeah, right now Clowney is basically cuts to Britt and Wright to keep the cap where it needs to be. Granted it may also require Seattle trading down completely out of the first round to limit the cap hit of the top draft pick. Granted, that may be in the plan with or without Clowney.
Cutting those two starters should be enough to sign Clowney.:tsk:
 

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If I was to guess at the Seahawks offer, I’d guess 14 million. I would call it realistic not low ball though. Bet he signs closer to 14 million then 21 million he was asking for.

I could see the starting point at 14mil and go from there to a certain point. I think he signs here or somewhere between 16-18mil.
 

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Well, I guess that depends on how much cap space we need to sign Clowney. It's really not all that hard to create space if you have to have it. It happens pretty much every year. I also have a hard time thinking that as Clowney is reportedly lowering his asking price, we are becoming less interested and therefore make other moves that prevent us from signing him. I don't know what the numbers are on Mayowa, but I didn't expect they would re-sign Clowney and not add another role player type guy anyway. Now if we go out and sign Griffen after just adding Mayowa, then I think it would signal that Clowney won't come back and show our strategy to be having a bunch of "decent" guys that we can rotate and keep fresh vs building around 1 upper tier player on the DL. That was pretty much our approach in 2013.


NFL.com’s Tom Pellissero reports that Mayowa’s deal with Seattle is for one year with $3 million guaranteed.
 

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Seriously? 3 million for Mayowa? Ugh.
Absolute minimum is $1.05 million for a vet. He got 7 sacks and 3 forced fumbles last season and is only 28. You feel 3 million is too much I take it?
 

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Absolute minimum is $1.05 million for a vet. He got 7 sacks and 3 forced fumbles last season and is only 28. You feel 3 million is too much I take it?

Unless his game has DRAMATICALLY changed in the past few years, Mayowa is a situational player who really doesn't do a whole lot other than rush the passer on pure passing downs.

Sure he had 7 sacks last year. He had a total of 10 QB hits and 15 tackles.

I don't really have a problem with him as a player per so so much as not getting better players because of cap concerns.
 

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I like the Seahawks approach for the DL. Not going to give out a ridiculous contract to Clowney just because he thinks he's worth resetting the market for his position. Can't afford to go empty handed either by waiting and waiting. So go with a committee approach by signing Irving and Mayowa to go with the young guys on the roster. Maybe add Griffen if possible, maybe draft a pass rusher.
Fact is Clowney just wanted too much and it won't of made sense to cave in to his demands.
 

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Let's retain the perspective that the salary cap for 2020 is a touch over $198M. This means a $3M cap number is only 1.51% of the team's cap. Hard to understand why that would be a troubling number, especially for a guy coming off a pretty decent season who should be a situationally important player.
 

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Let's retain the perspective that the salary cap for 2020 is a touch over $198M. This means a $3M cap number is only 1.51% of the team's cap. Hard to understand why that would be a troubling number, especially for a guy coming off a pretty decent season who should be a situationally important player.

He's worried about these signings making it difficult to ink Clowney. Course they can always just cut some starters to be able to pay for Clowney if they want to sign him. Not sure they want to go that route TBH, but it is possible.
 

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I like the Seahawks approach for the DL. Not going to give out a ridiculous contract to Clowney just because he thinks he's worth resetting the market for his position. Can't afford to go empty handed either by waiting and waiting. So go with a committee approach by signing Irving and Mayowa to go with the young guys on the roster. Maybe add Griffen if possible, maybe draft a pass rusher.
Fact is Clowney just wanted too much and it won't of made sense to cave in to his demands.

We clearly see things very differently here.

I feel like, as it stands, our defense is going to be worse than it was last year.

Still plenty of time to turn things around but other than the Dunbar trade, I haven't seen much to make me think this will be an improved group.
 

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He's worried about these signings making it difficult to ink Clowney. Course they can always just cut some starters to be able to pay for Clowney if they want to sign him. Not sure they want to go that route TBH, but it is possible.
Yeah, I understand. I guess my point is if a $3M 1 year signing sabotages our opportunity to sign Clowney, then we have incompetent people managing our cap. Does anyone think Schneider is incompetent?? Maybe all this time shut indoors has people overreacting more than usual.
 

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OTC shows just under 15 million in cap space, doesn't include Irving or Mayowa contract. So that figure is actually going to be a lot less.
 

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OTC shows just under 15 million in cap space, doesn't include Irving or Mayowa contract. So that figure is actually going to be a lot less.
And if the team wanted to, they could get $8.5M more immediately by cutting Justin Britt. Short of cutting him, an extension could also free up a few million for '20. Cutting KJ Wright, while maybe not ideal, would also return $6.5M. That's an additional $15M instantly with a flick of a mouse if they needed it.
 

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We clearly see things very differently here.

I feel like, as it stands, our defense is going to be worse than it was last year.

Still plenty of time to turn things around but other than the Dunbar trade, I haven't seen much to make me think this will be an improved group.
Yes we see things differently. Improving is hard. Don't feel throwing money at Clowney gets us there at all. I don't know if the defense gets better or not, but I lean to it will be better.
 

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OTC shows just under 15 million in cap space, doesn't include Irving or Mayowa contract. So that figure is actually going to be a lot less.

Just a tad north of 11mil at the moment
 

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And if the team wanted to, they could get $8.5M more immediately by cutting Justin Britt. Short of cutting him, an extension could also free up a few million for '20. Cutting KJ Wright, while maybe not ideal, would also return $6.5M. That's an additional $15M instantly with a flick of a mouse if they needed it.
Right, thus my comment about the Seahawks could cut starters to sign Clowney if they wanted to go that direction.
 
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