2019 Offseason Thread

[dtgold88]

You use different words.

But the message doesn't change.

agree....when accused if I don't agree I will provide facts/examples to support my take.

Then someone like you will ignore the facts and deflect.

 

[dtgold88]

Arrogance is also constantly telling others what you see as their faults while accepting little to no criticism for yourself.

In other words...

It's not me, it's everyone else. - dtgold

And once again I will refute this silly comment and you wont acknowledge how easy it was to do.

In fact, I have admitted I like to argue, often try and get the last word, etc. so who is not accepting criticism? Never said "it's not me" Only that is is everyone else as well.

Really not debatable as this is fact.

 

[dtgold88]

I'd be shocked if they haven't, at the least, had internal discussions about trying to work a deal. Hell, I'd expect that Rich Paul/Lebron would almost certainly have called and said..."Ya know, there's this guy on the Cavs you might want to kick the tires on". lol

Don't know how they could pull it off, but it would be great if they could. For the Lakers to be able to afford him, the Cavs would have to buy him out.

I don't know if there's some way for the Cavs to buy him out and still trade him. But even if there were, I'd expect the return would have to be pretty significant for the Cavs to agree to something like that.

Do ya see this @TurnUpTheHeat?

I think only way it gets done is get a 3rd team involved. Cannot see a buy out as he's not that type of player. Seems those are usually guys near the end of their careers who want one more shot at a ring and/or are regressing a lot from what they once were. TT has a ring and is still a productive player (which is why LA would want him).

 

[Black Adam]

I like the idea of the Dwight returning to the purple 'n gold.

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And the next player they should go after is this gunner so he can kick-it with his homeboy LeHollywood in LA LA Land.

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I fuggin hate you...

 

[dtgold88]

Considering there are only two players that the Lakers have from last year on this team besides Caruso, I don't think the Lakers are even remotely interested in a trade right now. The will have to play some games first and see what happens

Only reason they would not be interested is they could not get it done. They have really nothing they'd be willing to trade that anyone would want and guessing a long time before they can offer a 1st rounder.

 

[dtgold88]

Correct.
We’re agreeing with each other.
Boiled down to Gilbert had to honor his word to LeBron, which in turn guaranteed TT to in essence set his own price.

You don't think TT tried to get a full max deal and was told that's a bit too pricey? Even if Lebron had nothing to do with Klutch is not crazy to think TT gets the same amount as Lebron would still want him there.

Know why? He's a solid player who Lebron knows can help.

Imagine that.

 

[dtgold88]

Im glad you’re content thinking Cavs giving him that contract had nothing to do with James/Klutch.
Really no more needs to be said.

Nice deflection as usual. You cried that I didn't accept your opinion on what TT would earn in his next deal. You were wrong as I never questioned that opinion.

You can't admit ever being wrong.

Not much more to it.

 

[dtgold88]

Just curious.
Did LeBron/Klutch bail out JR on his contract IYO?

Bail out JR? No. Klutch or no klutch JR would have gotten a deal in that range.

you are thinking if no Klutch Lebron then just doesn't want JR around anymore, even though he played a huge role in getting them to the Finals?

 

[dtgold88]

OMG why...?!

uh oh.....don't tell me he is on the same level as Lebron for you.

 

[dtgold88]

Not sure what I think of this. I don't like the guy and especially don't like how he conducted himself in his 1 season with the Lakers.

Trying to look at it objectively:

2017-18 was his last full season. He averaged 16.6 points and 12.5 rebounds per game. He played in 81 games and averaged 30 minutes per game. The Lakers could definitely use the rebounding.

Between him, AD and McGee, it should be tough for teams to score inside. But of the 3, only AD is likely to be able to defend the perimeter well.

On the other hand, he also only played in 9 games last year (still averaged 13 and 9 in about 25 minutes playing time) due to back surgery and a hamstring issue. He's also 33. Not ancient, but not young either.

If he's healthy and can handle the boos that he will likely initially get from fans, he could help. Plus, options are pretty limited.

Lebron should be able to help keep him in check.

Seems similar to the Boogie situation. Not a huge risk.

 

[Wamu]

I fuggin hate you...

It could be worse. You could be a Cavs fan.

 

[dtgold88]

I disagree.

When the Lakers had a shot at Kawhi, they were willing to go with bargain basement players to fill out the roster because they would have had Lebron, AD and Kawhi.

When Kawhi chose the Clippers, they had to use the available cap space to fill out the roster with better quality players.

I don't think they would have wanted him at his current price because it wouldn't have left them enough to sign the quality of players they needed.

So, if he were an FA and they could get him for around $10 million, they probably do that.

But I seriously doubt they would have given him the $18.5 million he is set to make this season.

Maybe, but this isn't fantasy basketball. They don't need a guy to come in and score. They need a rebounder/defender who could help out AD in that area.

would he be their first choice? Probably not....would think they'd want shooters first.

 

[dtgold88]

I don't know about "bailed him out", but Lebron is a very big part of why he got the money he did.

The Cavs needed what TT brings. They could have gotten the same production from a lower priced player, but even if they let TT walk, they wouldn't have had the cap space to add what they needed. But they could overpay TT to keep him because he was their FA.

TT is someone Lebron likes and wanted on the team, Lebron's agency also represents TT.

So, the combination of the Cavs needs, cap space, the fact that no other team was giving him that kind of deal and Lebron wanting him on the team is what "bailed him out".

Ftr, this is not a criticism of the Cavs, TT, Klutch or Lebron. It was actually a win for everyone involved, imo.

The Cavs got a title out of it, so it was worth the money.

TT got more money than he was ever going to get from anyone else, plus a ring.

Lebron got to keep a guy on the team that he wanted and got another ring.

A bigger contract for TT meant more money for Klutch.

Everybody wins.

Only a slight disagreement from me. I think Lebron feels the exact same way and still wants TT back even if there was no Klutch.

 

[Wamu]

Only a slight disagreement from me. I think Lebron feels the exact same way and still wants TT back even if there was no Klutch.

Well if LeBron would just fuckin' fire Rich Paul all this bullshit would take care of itself.

 

[dtgold88]

Disagree, and this is where LeBron comes into it.
Normally a team can put an offer out or decide to match another teams.

No team offered anything.
Cavs paid him what he wanted, or very close to it.


“After appearing close to signing a five-year, $80 million deal, Thompson began asking for a max deal of five years and $94 million. Thompson’s agent, Rich Paul, reportedly lowered the request to three years, $53 million, which did not interest Cleveland.

The fourth-year forward has a few options now that the deadline has passed. He can sign a deal with Cleveland anywhere from one to five years, or Thompson could seek an two-to-four-year offer from a different team. Because Thompson is a restricted free agent, the Cavaliers would have the right to match any outside offer and keep him in Cleveland.”

You are kicking your own ass again. In a previous comment and even this one you are trying to say they gave TT what he wanted and then you post something which claims this was not the case at all.

He wanted a max and the Cavs said too much, then he wanted even less than they offered in years and per season avg and they said no.

Clearly, the Cavs paid TT because the guy is a good player and an excellent fit for their team.

I get not in you to admit you are wrong but as I say I can just sit back and watch you kick your own ass.

Meltdown in 3....2......1

 

[dtgold88]

That is all true and LeBron definitely jacked up the price.

But like I said, Cleveland did not have an alternative player to sign with that money. It was either pay TT and keep LeBron happy, or sign a vet min player.

That is a no brainer from Cleveland’s point of view assuming they wanted to keep LeBron.

Actually, all his post did was disprove his previous comments......the Cavs did not give TT exactly what he or Klutch wanted. He wanted either a max deal or a shorter contract. They gave him neither.

 

[dtgold88]

Or, see if he would have actually sat and not make anything.
I know they couldn’t waste a LeBron season and had to somewhat cave, but for @dtgold88 to say LeBron didnt get him paid is assinine.

well of course he was gonna get paid. what is assinine is all you did was prove my point and are trying to claim it as some sort of "win" for you.

Klutch made 2 offers and the Cavs didn't give him either of them. They got him for the amount of years they wanted and not for a max.

 

[dtgold88]

Right.

But LeBron had them by the short and curlies with his 1 year deals.

They had to pay TT what Klutch was asking. Of course LeBron got him paid above market value. Especially considering this was the year before the big cap hike.

But, because because Cleveland could not use that money to sign another player it really only impacted Gilbert’s wallet. And of course LeBron was okay with that.

But they did not pay what Klutch was asking. They wanted a max or a 3 year deal and he got neither. Was it a little over market value? Sure, like most FA deals are. And guessing the Cavs knew the cap would explode and TTs deal would be more in line with what he is worth.

 

[dtgold88]

Correct.
We’re agreeing with each other.
Boiled down to Gilbert had to honor his word to LeBron, which in turn guaranteed TT to in essence set his own price.

But still gets done just how it did even if no Klutch sports. You think with no Klutch Lebron stops wanting to win?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

@ChiefsLakers67 @trojanfan12 @Shaqdaddy11

Hopefully nothing too serious.

Sources: Lakers' Cousins hurts knee, having tests

Been away for a while so I couldn't really comment.

It's a real damn shame. I was hoping for a bounce-back season from him and hoped he'd be the Lakers 3rd star. As much as he's a headcase, I've always wanted to see him in purple and gold. Hopefully he might get one final chance next year.

As for is replacement, I've heard both Dwight and Noah being named. In all honesty either one would probably only get a few minutes backup behind Javale McGee, who I now assume is going to start. They'll take over the role Tyson Chandler basically had last year and either one would be an improvement.