2017 Texas Rangers offseason thread

[True Rangers Fan]

I think a guy like Stanton being on the club does help the revenue side. The revenue is helped some in attendance, some in TV ratings, and some in merchandise sales. A player like that helps your club in a lot of different ways.

TV ratings don't really help the club, just the network that shows the games.

 

[scotsman1948]

Cashner's QO is suppose to be 17.4 million.

with only about 30-35M available if we offer him the 17.4M we will have only 12-17M to fill the 2 other starter and the vet reliever positions being talked about. does that make him the big splash?

 

[scotsman1948]

We are going to get pitching. Just wonder who? Have to think one will be a splash or Beltre would not be on board with JD. Not sure they tender Barnette. Such a crap shoot at times with relievers. I think we pick up one vet reliever but roll with some of the young guys like LeClerc and Rodriguez. Not sure they would spend the money on Kintzler although they did spend a bit on Nathan.

There may be trades on the horizon. Hate to think it might be Calhoun. I have a good feeling about him. A natural hitter. We have to clear some logjams though. Maybe get a bullpen piece that way

offering Cashner the QO would be the big splash because if he accepts it would leave no room for going after another quality starter

 

[scotsman1948]

I don't have any problem with folks having hope. I just don't want the Rangers to short circuit or compromise the long term plan by trading off pieces to bring in a veteran who is not going to make us the best team in the league. I also want the team to be willing to be more active as sellers at the next deadline if they are in the same situation as this last deadline.

I have a lot of hope for the future if we don't compromise the future for the present. I also have the patience to look past this coming season and realize this team could be very special if we patiently wait for guys like Ragans, Crouse, Cody, Matuella, Taveras, Seise, Guzman, Calhoun, Whatley and some others to arrive.

i don't favor short circuiting or compromising the long term plan either but i also don't favor sucking while we wait. i believe that building a quality team thru free agency, trades and the draft is the smart path and it can be accomplished while maintaining a quality team on the field. but apparently sucking for this coming season or the ones that follow it is okay on the dream that we will suddenly be competitive when all of those "prospects" become studs. btw, i see Taveras being our future hall of fame Cf'er and Guzman as our future hall of fame 1Baseman and Gallo as our future hall of fame 3rd baseman. we also have at least 3 quality catcher prospects any of them having the possibility of being the next Pudge. our weakness is now we have no history of developing any quality pitching and i'm talking #1's or even #2's

 

[saddles]

TV ratings don't really help the club, just the network that shows the games.

It does when it comes time to renegotiate the contract. Good ratings does definitely help revenue. It just isn't seen immediately.

 

[saddles]

i don't favor short circuiting or compromising the long term plan either but i also don't favor sucking while we wait. i believe that building a quality team thru free agency, trades and the draft is the smart path and it can be accomplished while maintaining a quality team on the field. but apparently sucking for this coming season or the ones that follow it is okay on the dream that we will suddenly be competitive when all of those "prospects" become studs. btw, i see Taveras being our future hall of fame Cf'er and Guzman as our future hall of fame 1Baseman and Gallo as our future hall of fame 3rd baseman. we also have at least 3 quality catcher prospects any of them having the possibility of being the next Pudge. our weakness is now we have no history of developing any quality pitching and i'm talking #1's or even #2's

I like your optimism re those three positional players, but if they are future All Stars that will be good enough.

The problem of developing pitching definitely needs to be addressed. I do think some of the problems have stemmed from us drafting wrong and I think that that seems to be improving with the drafting of Ragans and Crouse.

I think this time next year we are all going to be looking forward to SS Chris Seise hurrying up and getting here. He probably needs at least 2 more full seasons in the minors, but he may be very special once he gets up here.

As far as the team that we put on the field while we are waiting on those guys to develop, it can be a competitive team. I just hope we refrain from trading away key prospects and that if we get the chance at the deadline that we add another player or two of Calhoun's caliber, maybe even a pitcher.

 

[scotsman1948]

It does when it comes time to renegotiate the contract. Good ratings does definitely help revenue. It just isn't seen immediately.

what helps revenue is putting butts in the seats and what accomplishes that? having a competitive team on the field.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I just think it's a massive stretch to say that simply adding Stanton is going to result in a significant bump in the team's overall revenue.

 

[saddles]

with only about 30-35M available if we offer him the 17.4M we will have only 12-17M to fill the 2 other starter and the vet reliever positions being talked about. does that make him the big splash?

I think if they offer him that they are gambling that he turns it down. I am just not sure I would take that chance. Just in case someone is wondering, if you offer a player a QO and he accepts he cannot be traded before June 15th of the following season.

 

[saddles]

I just think it's a massive stretch to say that simply adding Stanton is going to result in a significant bump in the team's overall revenue.

I guess that depends on your definition of "significant bump", but I do think it is something that would be weighed by any club pursuing him. If a team was thinking about signing someone like Gomez and someone like Cashner and they made as much put together as Stanton I think the club would believe the revenue bonus you get that I mentioned previously from signing a guy like Stanton makes him cheaper. How much cheaper depends on what the financial analysts have to say.

 

[Nightcrawler]

I agree with Sherrington that some "soul-searching" by the Rangers management regarding the pitching is needed. The Darvish situation is really complicated, but there have been a number of guys who simply stopped developing when they got to our upper levels and a number of guys who we have traded away or let go who became successful elsewhere. Some of that is just the nature of the beast, but there is a little too much of it happening to be just that.

You’re right there are a lot of pitchers who were once in the Rangers system who could be helping us right about now.

Tanner Roark
Kyle Hendricks ( that one really hurt. It was the infamous dumpster trade I think)

I can’t name the rest. I’m sure someone could compile a list.

 

[scotsman1948]

I like your optimism re those three positional players, but if they are future All Stars that will be good enough.

The problem of developing pitching definitely needs to be addressed. I do think some of the problems have stemmed from us drafting wrong and I think that that seems to be improving with the drafting of Ragans and Crouse.

I think this time next year we are all going to be looking forward to SS Chris Seise hurrying up and getting here. He probably needs at least 2 more full seasons in the minors, but he may be very special once he gets up here.

As far as the team that we put on the field while we are waiting on those guys to develop, it can be a competitive team. I just hope we refrain from trading away key prospects and that if we get the chance at the deadline that we add another player or two of Calhoun's caliber, maybe even a pitcher.

Seisse has a obstacle in front of him called Elvis Andrus who is under contract until 2024. what do you suggest we do with Elvis? plus Josh Morgan(15) and Michael De Leon(28) behind Seisse same problem for Whatley at catcher: there are 3 catchers in our system ahead of him. jose trevino(13), josh morgan(15) and david garcia(25) plus what do we do with Chirinos? 2B: we have odor under contract until 2024 and Willie Calhoun(2), Anderson Tejeda(14) and Andy Ibanez(16) behind him. 1B: we have Guzman in the wing but we also have Yanio Perez(11) at his back.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I guess that depends on your definition of "significant bump", but I do think it is something that would be weighed by any club pursuing him. If a team was thinking about signing someone like Gomez and someone like Cashner and they made as much put together as Stanton I think the club would believe the revenue bonus you get that I mentioned previously from signing a guy like Stanton makes him cheaper. How much cheaper depends on what the financial analysts have to say.

In that regard, I think the "bump" is so insignificant that it would have zero effect on what a team offered him, or how they viewed the return on investment, or made him "cheaper", or whatever.

The only thing that generates a measurable increase in revenue is overall team success. Stanton alone will not do that.

 

[scotsman1948]

I like your optimism re those three positional players, but if they are future All Stars that will be good enough.

The problem of developing pitching definitely needs to be addressed. I do think some of the problems have stemmed from us drafting wrong and I think that that seems to be improving with the drafting of Ragans and Crouse.

I think this time next year we are all going to be looking forward to SS Chris Seise hurrying up and getting here. He probably needs at least 2 more full seasons in the minors, but he may be very special once he gets up here.

As far as the team that we put on the field while we are waiting on those guys to develop, it can be a competitive team. I just hope we refrain from trading away key prospects and that if we get the chance at the deadline that we add another player or two of Calhoun's caliber, maybe even a pitcher.

what's your definition of a competitive team? if it is not a team competing for the team's division title then that isn't a competitive team

 

[saddles]

Seisse has a obstacle in front of him called Elvis Andrus who is under contract until 2024. what do you suggest we do with Elvis? plus Josh Morgan(15) and Michael De Leon(28) behind Seisse same problem for Whatley at catcher: there are 3 catchers in our system ahead of him. jose trevino(13), josh morgan(15) and david garcia(25) plus what do we do with Chirinos? 2B: we have odor under contract until 2024 and Willie Calhoun(2), Anderson Tejeda(14) and Andy Ibanez(16) behind him. 1B: we have Guzman in the wing but we also have Yanio Perez(11) at his back.

Elvis had an obstacle named Michael Young so they moved Young. Elvis will be moved from SS at some time or else Seise will change positions.

Catchers are really hard to predict so you need a lot of them. If we had hung onto Jorge Alfaro we woudn't have to wait on any of them. When the right guy comes along Chirinos will either be a backup or will be gone in free agency or even traded. No one knows even if Josh Morgan is going to be able to become a catcher. He has only played a couple of dozen games there so far.

Calhoun is not a 2B any longer. To me Ibanez should be the insurance if Profar doesn't cut it for us when he takes Odor's spot after Odor is traded.

 

[scotsman1948]

Elvis had an obstacle named Michael Young so they moved Young. Elvis will be moved from SS at some time or else Seise will change positions.

Catchers are really hard to predict so you need a lot of them. If we had hung onto Jorge Alfaro we woudn't have to wait on any of them. When the right guy comes along Chirinos will either be a backup or will be gone in free agency or even traded. No one knows even if Josh Morgan is going to be able to become a catcher. He has only played a couple of dozen games there so far.

Calhoun is not a 2B any longer. To me Ibanez should be the insurance if Profar doesn't cut it for us when he takes Odor's spot after Odor is traded.

so your plan is dump odor and use profar with ibanez as backup. to me profar will be the one gone before ST.

 

[saddles]

In that regard, I think the "bump" is so insignificant that it would have zero effect on what a team offered him, or how they viewed the return on investment, or made him "cheaper", or whatever.

The only thing that generates a measurable increase in revenue is overall team success. Stanton alone will not do that.

The team is constantly looking for ways to increase revenue beyond making the team better. That is the whole reason we are getting a better stadium. That is why they seek each year to improve the fans experience at games like when they improve scoreboards and such. That is why they market the team and the team's merchandise. That is why they have a marketing department. That is why they sell naming rights to a very dull sounding company and have to call the place Globe Life Park. If they don't need anything but a competitive team then they should still be playing in Arlington Stadium. There are a lot more things involved in attracting revenue besides having a really good team. Having a competitive team is the foundation and largest part by far, but the other revenue generators are important to an organization as well.

Another thing to keep in mind is that going from being a competitive team to a perennial WS contender increases revenue as well. Any piece that helps the club to eventually get to that point is extremely important to revenue.

 

[saddles]

so your plan is dump odor and use profar with ibanez as backup. to me profar will be gone before ST.

I think you are right. I am just saying what I think should be done. I have no illusions that they will actually do that. At some point someone is going to have to replace Odor when they finally give up on him and that replacement might be Elvis.

 

[saddles]

what's your definition of a competitive team? if it is not a team competing for the team's division title then that isn't a competitive team

It seems like a lot of folks think you are competitive if you make a run at the wildcard so I was using that definition.

 

[Duane1952]

Seisse has a obstacle in front of him called Elvis Andrus who is under contract until 2024. what do you suggest we do with Elvis? plus Josh Morgan(15) and Michael De Leon(28) behind Seisse same problem for Whatley at catcher: there are 3 catchers in our system ahead of him. jose trevino(13), josh morgan(15) and david garcia(25) plus what do we do with Chirinos? 2B: we have odor under contract until 2024 and Willie Calhoun(2), Anderson Tejeda(14) and Andy Ibanez(16) behind him. 1B: we have Guzman in the wing but we also have Yanio Perez(11) at his back.

You do know that Elvis can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2018 or 2019 seasons.