2016/2017 Off-Season Thread

[calsnowskier]

So when does this thread start to heat up again? Maybe in a couple of days, after we've licked our wounds and have a bit clearer heads?

Lol


Great minds, I guess...

 

[LHG]

Locks for 2017...

Crawford
Posey
Bumgarner
Cueto
Moore

EVERYONE else is open to being moved for improvement. I actually WANT a bit of a house cleaning. Sometimes a locker room needs to be shuffled.

I'd like to add Law to that list (I know, I was ready to release the entire bullpen earlier). He, by far, is the best pitcher in the bullpen. All relievers won't be traded, at least keep the best of the bunch.

 

[LHG]

Lol


Great minds, I guess...

You started sooner than I thought.

 

[SFGRTB]

So when does this thread start to heat up again? Maybe in a couple of days, after we've licked our wounds and have a bit clearer heads?

I've been wanting to post some prospect stuff, AFL news, a post-season list. I'll probably wait a day though.

 

[LHG]

I've been wanting to post some prospect stuff, AFL news, a post-season list. I'll probably wait a day though.

Looking forward to it.

I'll probably prattle about minor league free agents within the next month.

 

[calsnowskier]

I work for an Israeli company, so I have tomorrow off. I will probably be posting a whole bunch of lists and brainstorms tomorrow.

I apologize in advance.

 

[Hangman]

GET A FUCKING CLOSER

 

[msgkings322]

GET A FUCKING CLOSER

They need more than 1 new pen arm but yeah a shut down closer would make the remaining guys a lot better.

They need a guy who can hit 25+ HRs too

 

[calsnowskier]

They need more than 1 new pen arm but yeah a shut down closer would make the remaining guys a lot better.

I think yesterday did a lot to build Law. If the PsTB feel he is worth handing the job to, I will trust them. But I want Melancon or Chapman. Chapman is too non-PC for the SF crowd to ever embrace, so I am not expecting that one to happen.

 

[SFGRTB]

I'm okay with Melancon, but I really wouldn't mind putting Law there full time, or even Will Smith. He was fantastic down the stretch and has the stuff. There are good relievers out there we could get cheaper so we can also target a bat. Boone Logan, Brad Zeigler, Matt Belisle to name a few.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm okay with Melancon, but I really wouldn't mind putting Law there full time, or even Will Smith. He was fantastic down the stretch and has the stuff. There are good relievers out there we could get cheaper so we can also target a bat. Boone Logan, Brad Zeigler, Matt Belisle to name a few.

Going after Melancon, Chapman or Janson goes against everything we know about the Giants. You are probably right that we will not land any of them.

 

[calsnowskier]

Is there any chance Gonor has played himself into Arb? Would it make sense for him to be the opening day 3B, with Nunez acting as the super-sub at 3B, SS, 2B and LF? He could still get starting ABs while providing depth on the bench. Having Gonor as the 3B is a cheap way of adding depth and still keeping the spot open for Aroyo, should the need arise. And having Nunez as a sub allows the team to "commit" to McParker while still having coverage and still allowing a spot for Slater if needed.

This is all a bit of a cheap way to rebuild, but the team does not have a lot of money to fill the holes that need filling, so thinking outside the box is needed here.

 

[BeerMe]

Please for the love of God let Romo go. His 86 mph fastball and hanging sliders are old. I could see us resigning him just for sentiment. Might as well put Kirk Rueter in the bullpen.

 

[LHG]

Is there any chance Gonor has played himself into Arb? Would it make sense for him to be the opening day 3B, with Nunez acting as the super-sub at 3B, SS, 2B and LF? He could still get starting ABs while providing depth on the bench. Having Gonor as the 3B is a cheap way of adding depth and still keeping the spot open for Aroyo, should the need arise. And having Nunez as a sub allows the team to "commit" to McParker while still having coverage and still allowing a spot for Slater if needed.

This is all a bit of a cheap way to rebuild, but the team does not have a lot of money to fill the holes that need filling, so thinking outside the box is needed here.

I like it. Gives the team flexibility at 3rd base, gives some young guys a chance and allows for Arroyo to be promoted if he starts well in Sacramento and looks ready. If all fails, they can fill any holes in July.

 

[SFGRTB]

Is there any chance Gonor has played himself into Arb? Would it make sense for him to be the opening day 3B, with Nunez acting as the super-sub at 3B, SS, 2B and LF? He could still get starting ABs while providing depth on the bench. Having Gonor as the 3B is a cheap way of adding depth and still keeping the spot open for Aroyo, should the need arise. And having Nunez as a sub allows the team to "commit" to McParker while still having coverage and still allowing a spot for Slater if needed.

This is all a bit of a cheap way to rebuild, but the team does not have a lot of money to fill the holes that need filling, so thinking outside the box is needed here.

I was thinking about this too. Gillaspie had such a small sample size this year that it's hard to trust. He did provide 1.1 WAR in right around 200 ABs, which is actually pretty good. All the defensive metrics I've seen have painted him as a positive defender for the first time in his career, which I believe because Ron Wotus is a magician and he passed the eye test as well. He's definitely on this team next year in some capacity.

I do like the idea of Nunez as a super-sub, Ben Zobrist style player regardless if Gillaspie can be the starter. There are a couple names out there on the market that could play 3B. Justin Turner, Luis Valbuena (would be my ideal target), Danny Velencia, heck Todd Frazier might be available.

 

[Hangman]

Move Nunez to LF He has a good arm and has good speed.

 

[tzill]

Locks for 2017...

Crawford
Posey
Bumgarner
Cueto
Moore

EVERYONE else is open to being moved for improvement. I actually WANT a bit of a house cleaning. Sometimes a locker room needs to be shuffled.

Add to that list:
Pence
Poopturdzija

NOBODY is taking on those contracts.

 

[calsnowskier]

Arb-Eligible (5)

Cory Gearrin (A1)
Conor Gillaspie (A2)
George Kontos (A2)
Will Smith (A2)
Eduardo Nunez (A3)

A few weeks after I first talked about these guys, and I still think Nunez and Smith are the only no-brainers. However, Gonor has played himself from a no-brainer non-tender to a likely Arb guy. That leaves Gearrin and Kontos. Seeing as Kontos made the post season roster and Gearrin did not, I think it is easy to see where they rank against each other. But seeing that Kontos was not called on in "the inning", he is far from guaranteed a spot for next year.

I expect Nunez, Smith, Gillaspie and Kontos to all be offered Arb. However, Gillaspie and Kontos will still be DFA targets in ST (think Ishi in '15).

 

[calsnowskier]

Add to that list:
Pence
Poopturdzija

NOBODY is taking on those contracts.

I agree, but my point was more along the lines of who the Giants wouldn't move, even if they could. If they COULD move either of them, I think they would certainly entertain the idea.

And I don't think Sammy is as bad a contract as you make it seem. He is a solid 3/4 with upside who consistently throws 200+. He is overpaid, but he is a horrible overpay.

 

[SFGRTB]

A few weeks after I first talked about these guys, and I still think Nunez and Smith are the only no-brainers. However, Gonor has played himself from a no-brainer non-tender to a likely Arb guy. That leaves Gearrin and Kontos. Seeing as Kontos made the post season roster and Gearrin did not, I think it is easy to see where they rank against each other. But seeing that Kontos was not called on in "the inning", he is far from guaranteed a spot for next year.

I expect Nunez, Smith, Gillaspie and Kontos to all be offered Arb. However, Gillaspie and Kontos will still be DFA targets in ST (think Ishi in '15).

I think there's a big difference between Gonor and Ishi. Gonor has a clearer path to PT and more use as a reserve than Ishi ever had. Belt is entrenched at 1st, and Posey needs days off there so Ishi was strictly a PHer. Gonor can play 3rd and 1st and no one is really trenched into that position, and he proved to be a decent PHer.


I would offer all those guys Arb, except Gearrin, but the staff seems to have some sort of infatuation of him so he's probably sticking around. If Romo, Casilla, and Lopez all walk, there's probably still space for him to sneak in.