2013 Season Thread

[jta4437]

Think your proposals including the trade ideas for Carlos Gonzalez are within reason. Far prefer these type projections than the ones being proposed going into the deadline a week ago. Can be more strategic when looking further out and you aren't dealing in a rental market.

Is Neil Ramirez the RH version of Michael Kirkman? Maybe the jump to AAA from Myrtle Beach early last season was too much. I had figured him to be ready to be the first SP up from RR if needed this season.

I was surprised he did as well as he did in AAA last year with the 2 level jump he made

I think the truth lies somewhere in between this year and last and hopefully its a slight mechanical issue thats fixable

 

[jta4437]

Think your proposals including the trade ideas for Carlos Gonzalez are within reason. Far prefer these type projections than the ones being proposed going into the deadline a week ago. Can be more strategic when looking further out and you aren't dealing in a rental market.

Is Neil Ramirez the RH version of Michael Kirkman? Maybe the jump to AAA from Myrtle Beach early last season was too much. I had figured him to be ready to be the first SP up from RR if needed this season.

Thanks, I put a lot of time into that

And then had to do it twice, b/c I didn't think about what would have to go b/c of a CarGo trade

 

[Senator_fan]

I think Rangers offer 3 to 4 years to Hamilton max. He walks and I think they go hard after Carlos Gonzales. Josh with a slight edge on the numbers but are close over a 162 game average with Josh at 35/121/.305 10 SB and Cargo at 29/100/.303 24 SB.

I like Gentry a lot. He brings speed, defense and hangs in the box being hit 10times already this season.

Like to see Profar go to 2B and not traded.

Would also like to see Rangers stop drafting guys who throw 95-100 with fastballs as straight as an arrow.

Somebody maybe who throws 89-93 with movement and location which makes it harder to square the ball up.

 

[jta4437]

I think Rangers offer 3 to 4 years to Hamilton max. He walks and I think they go hard after Carlos Gonzales. Josh with a slight edge on the numbers but are close over a 162 game average with Josh at 35/121/.305 10 SB and Cargo at 29/100/.303 24 SB.

I like Gentry a lot. He brings speed, defense and hangs in the box being hit 10times already this season.

Like to see Profar go to 2B and not traded.

Would also like to see Rangers stop drafting guys who throw 95-100 with fastballs as straight as an arrow.

Somebody maybe who throws 89-93 with movement and location which makes it harder to square the ball up.

I think we agree on most things here, although I think they go 5 years max, which might not end up being enough

 

[jta4437]

Would also like to see Rangers stop drafting guys who throw 95-100 with fastballs as straight as an arrow.

Somebody maybe who throws 89-93 with movement and location which makes it harder to square the ball up.

The great thing about the Rangers is they have lots of BOTH; Buckel, Grimm, Loux, and previously traded guys like Erlin, & Wieland definitely fit the profile of the guys that don't throw as hard but live on command and movement

Matt Harrison was one of these guys at one time, so they do a good job of scouting and getting both types for sure

And while Martin Perez has a decent fastball, his bread and butter is his changeup going forward, not his fastball

 

[scotsman1948]

I'd prefer to spend Napoli money on CarGo (he makes 7.5 next year and 10.5 the year after that, then worry about 2015-1017 when they get here), and let Cruz walk after the next year

and also resign Hamilton, then have Gentry man CF

Trade Murphy, while his value is high, assuming he plays well the rest of this season, maybe in the deal for CarGo, as a ML ready player

Next year have CarGo/Hamilton/Cruz rotate throught the DH spot

C: Soto/??? (65/35) - Give or take on who the backup is
1B: Moreland/Olt/Young (70/20/10) - basically a L/R platoon and vulturing
2B: Kinsler/Young (90/10)
3B: Beltre/Olt/Young (75/20/5)
SS: Andrus/??? (95/5)
LF: Hamilton/Cargo (60/40)
CF: Gentry/Hamilton (75/25)
RF: Cruz/CarGo (55/45)
DH: Cruz (35)
Olt (25)
Beltre (15)
Young (15)
Hamilton (5)
CarGo (5)

Obviously its a rough outline, and its assumes Cruz, Kinsler, Hamilton, Cargo and Beltre miss about 16 games each due to days off and injury, which is totally concievable

like your thinking on this but can't see the Rangers going for both Hamilton & Cargo.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

like your thinking on this but can't see the Rangers going for both Hamilton & Cargo.

For one year...they might. Following year Cruz would be a FA..and would be 33-34.

 

[jta4437]

like your thinking on this but can't see the Rangers going for both Hamilton & Cargo.

Its certainly feasibe though, and thats what this thread is all about

What do you propose then?

 

[scotsman1948]

For one year...they might. Following year Cruz would be a FA..and would be 33-34.

okay with that thinking i can see it

 

[jta4437]

C: Soto/L. Martinez/??? (65/25/10)
1B: Moreland/Young (75/25) - basically a L/R platoon
2B: Kinsler/Young/Profar (90/5/5)
3B: Beltre/Young/Herrera/Profar (85/5/5/5)
SS: Andrus/Herrera/Profar (90/5/5)
LF: Hamilton/Cargo (65/35)
CF: Gentry/Hamilton (80/20)
RF: Cruz/CarGo (50/50)
DH: Cruz (40)
Young (40)
Hamilton (5)
CarGo (5)
Kinsler (5)
Beltre (5)

With my CarGo Herrera previously proposed; CarGo + Herrera for Olt + L. Martin + Murphy + J. Grimm/N. Ramirez/C. Buckel

Playing time:
90% (~146 games): Kinsler, Beltre, Andrus, Hamilton, CarGo, Cruz
80% (~130 games): Gentry - One can hope
75% (~122 games): Moreland, Young - Just don't seem him sitting everyday
65% (~105 games): Soto
25% (~41 games): Luis Martinez
15% (~24 games): Profar - Sept. callup, maybe sooner if injuries popup
10% (~16 games): Herrera, Mystery 3rd catcher (maybe swap time for Luis Martinez)

 

[Windingmywatch]

If TEX doesn't resign Hamilton and isn't able to make a deal for CarGo ... would TEX go into camp with Gentry (CF), Cruz (RF), Martin (LF), and Murphy (#4)?

Given those are the guys that were actually productive for TEX since June ... could Martin up his performance next season and fill the corner spot effectively? Gentry is the wild card ... if he is getting the ABs he's proven to be a spark plug.

That said in the clubs PR piece from T.R. Sullivan makes it sound like they have decided against giving any regular work to Gentry which is very disappointing.

"When I told Murph he would start against left-handers, I told him to get mentally prepared for it," Washington said. "Now he's focused on it. Murphy is knocking the heck out of the ball, so I've decided to have him go against everybody until he proves otherwise."

...

"I'm just going on what he's doing right now," Washington said. "I'm not looking at matchups. When we were struggling offensively, I just decided to put the best guys out there, and when I did that, we started to come around. His defense is better, his baserunning has been better and this is his time of the year. We all know he can hit."

Huh? ... I thought it was Gentry who was the one tearing it up. Saying Murphy's defense is better and his baserunning has been better" doesn't say it is still better than a #4. When Gentry was playing every day ... he was leading the team in batting. Clearly we don't understand things very well from where we sit ... but it should be obvious to Wash who the better OF is between Murphy and Gentry.

 

[jta4437]

If TEX doesn't resign Hamilton and isn't able to make a deal for CarGo ... would TEX go into camp with Gentry (CF), Cruz (RF), Martin (LF), and Murphy (#4)?

Given those are the guys that were actually productive for TEX since June ... could Martin up his performance next season and fill the corner spot effectively? Gentry is the wild card ... if he is getting the ABs he's proven to be a spark plug.

That said in the clubs PR piece from T.R. Sullivan makes it sound like they have decided against giving any regular work to Gentry which is very disappointing.

"When I told Murph he would start against left-handers, I told him to get mentally prepared for it," Washington said. "Now he's focused on it. Murphy is knocking the heck out of the ball, so I've decided to have him go against everybody until he proves otherwise."

...

"I'm just going on what he's doing right now," Washington said. "I'm not looking at matchups. When we were struggling offensively, I just decided to put the best guys out there, and when I did that, we started to come around. His defense is better, his baserunning has been better and this is his time of the year. We all know he can hit."

Huh? ... I thought it was Gentry who was the one tearing it up. Saying Murphy's defense is better and his baserunning has been better" doesn't say it is still better than a #4. When Gentry was playing every day ... he was leading the team in batting. Clearly we don't understand things very well from where we sit ... but it should be obvious to Wash who the better OF is between Murphy and Gentry.

I think he means that Murphy's defense and baserunning have been better compared to the standard Murphy has usually been held too

However I still disagree about Murphy's defense being better even in comparison to Murphy's usually mediocre defense, lots of bad reads lately

And once again he makes this into a Murphy vs Gentry issue, when it should be a Murphy/Gentry vs Young issue

 

[jta4437]

All this said, I actually think someone in the OF suffers a significant injury and Joey Butler and maybe even Engel Beltre see time in the majors, but I stuck with 15ish games missed for all for now

Gentry, Hamilton, Cruz and CarGo have all had some issues with injuries in the past, so highly possible

 

[jta4437]

Pitching wise, here's the contract status of our pitching staff:

FAs: Lewis, Dempster, Feldman (buyout instead of 9+ million option), Oswalt, Lowe, Adams

Returning: Harrison, Darvish, Holland, Perez, Grimm, Feliz, Ogando, Kirkman, Ross, Uehara, Tateyama, Scheppers, Nathan

More to come, after I investigate further

Couple points, I potentially see Lewis, Adams, and Lowe returning as FAs, nobody else though

 

[jta4437]

Returning contributors: Harrison, Darvish, Holland, Perez, Grimm, Feliz, Ogando, Kirkman, Ross, Uehara, Tateyama, Scheppers, Nathan

Re-sign: Lewis (short term deal, 2 years around 5 million per, with a big 3rd year option and a 600k buyout), Adams & Lowe

FA: Greinke (I'll worry about payroll later, right now I'm in video game mode)

Starters: Greinke, Lewis, Harrison, Darvish, Holland

Bullpen: Kirkman (LHLM), Ogando (RHLM), Ross (L), Uehara, Lowe, Scheppers, Adams (SU), Nathan (CL)

Seeing time: Perez, Grimm, Feliz (recovery + AAA time, late season call-up), Joe Ortiz, Tateyama

 

[jta4437]

Payroll (I'll do my best to guesstimate FAs and Arbitration eligible players)

Kinsler 13m
Beltre 16m
Andrus 4.8m
Hamilton ~20m
CarGo 7.5m
Cruz 10.5m
Gentry ~500k
Moreland ~500k
Young 13m (3 million is deferred)
Soto ~5m
Luis Martinez ~400k
Profar ~250k (partial season)
J. Herrera ~500k
Incidentals ~2m (just adding a couple million for just in cases)
Final Total: 93.95 million

Starters:
Greinke ~25m
Lewis ~5m
Harrison ~4m
Darvish 9.5m
Holland 3.2m

Bullpen:
Kirkman ~500k
Ogando ~500k
Ross ~500k
Uehara ~5m
Lowe ~2.5m
Scheppers ~500k
Adams ~6m
Nathan 7m
Incidentals ~2m
Final Total: 71.2 million

Final Tally: 93.95+71.2= 165.15 Million


Push come to shove, letting Napoli go, trading for CarGo, keeping Hamilton and then signing and ace type reliever is going to cause a huge escalation in payroll

So just keep that in mind when you start wanting everything many of you ask for; I think thats about as an ideal of a situation as you can find

Point is I believe the Rangers hit a crossroads in deciding on who to bring in between an ace pitcher, Hamilton, Napoli and CarGo

 

[jta4437]

Now having done the pros and cons, factored in salary and roster implications, etc...

I don't necessarily envy the job John Daniels does, and all I did was crunch numbers, not to mention negotiating and other obligations, that was very tedious and time consuming

 

[Windingmywatch]

Now having done the pros and cons, factored in salary and roster implications, etc...

I don't necessarily envy the job John Daniels does, and all I did was crunch numbers, not to mention negotiating and other obligations, that was very tedious and time consuming

Devoted quite a bit of time to it ... an interesting perspective. I don't see TEX trying to get CarGo and resign Hamilton.

Question would be is the assault for CarGo the primary move or resigning Hamilton the primary move?

 

[Hambombs]

Payroll (I'll do my best to guesstimate FAs and Arbitration eligible players)

Kinsler 13m
Beltre 16m
Andrus 4.8m
Hamilton ~20m
CarGo 7.5m
Cruz 10.5m
Gentry ~500k
Moreland ~500k
Young 13m (3 million is deferred)
Soto ~5m
Luis Martinez ~400k
Profar ~250k (partial season)
J. Herrera ~500k
Incidentals ~2m (just adding a couple million for just in cases)
Final Total: 93.95 million

Starters:
Greinke ~25m
Lewis ~5m
Harrison ~4m
Darvish 9.5m
Holland 3.2m

Bullpen:
Kirkman ~500k
Ogando ~500k
Ross ~500k
Uehara ~5m
Lowe ~2.5m
Scheppers ~500k
Adams ~6m
Nathan 7m
Incidentals ~2m
Final Total: 71.2 million

Final Tally: 93.95+71.2= 165.15 Million


Push come to shove, letting Napoli go, trading for CarGo, keeping Hamilton and then signing and ace type reliever is going to cause a huge escalation in payroll

So just keep that in mind when you start wanting everything many of you ask for; I think thats about as an ideal of a situation as you can find

Point is I believe the Rangers hit a crossroads in deciding on who to bring in between an ace pitcher, Hamilton, Napoli and CarGo

I dont see anyone paying greinke 25 million do you?

 

[jta4437]

Devoted quite a bit of time to it ... an interesting perspective. I don't see TEX trying to get CarGo and resign Hamilton.

Question would be is the assault for CarGo the primary move or resigning Hamilton the primary move?

I say CarGo, money wise it's a lot cheaper, prospect wise they can probably do it without giving up Profar & Perez

You would still have to make considerations for replacing Cruz after next season, but I think that level of production is far easier to replicate than that of Hamilton

I guess Kinsler moving to the OF is still an option, albeit not ideal, and move Profar to 2B, and sign Andrus to a larger and longer contract, I can't even begin to consider what the value & length of a deal like that would be, OR let Andrus go in 2 years... or trade him, and leave Kinsler at 2B