2012 College Football / 2013 NFL Draft

[BINGO]

Nevada S Duke Williams has accepted an invitation to the Senior Bowl.



Georgia WR Tavarres King
Georgia DE/OLB Cornelius Washington
Georgia DT John Jenkins
Georgia CB Sanders Commings
Georgia S Bacarri Rambo
Georgia S Shawn Williams
Georgia Southern S J.J. Wilcox
Harvard FB Kyle Juszczyk
Hawaii LS Luke Ingram
Illinois OG Hugh Thornton
Illinois DE Michael Buchanan
Kansas State WR Chris Harper
Kansas State LB Arthur Brown Jr.
Kent State OT Brian Winters
Kentucky OG Larry Warford
Louisiana State DE Lavar Edwards
Louisiana Tech WR Quinton Patton
Louisiana Tech P Ryan Allen
Marshall WR Aaron Dobson
Miami (OH) QB Zac Dysert

We are set at the ILB positions for at least 7 years. But if this kid happens to slip beyond the second round, we would be fools not to draft him. He would provide us with tremendous depth and be an immediate impact on STs for us. Most importantly, it would give us that insurance policy we need if either Willis or Bowman goes down due to an injury. It's a luxury pick but he would be too enticing to pass up on in the 3rd round.

 

[NinerSickness]

Well, Kipe agrees with me on Eifert over Ertz. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing...

Glad to see Woods isn't even top 5 on his WR board. I've been saying he's one of the most overrated players in NCAA (along with Barkley) since last year. Was considered a top 15 pick this offseason. My boy Keenan Allen is still up there though.

No Justin Hunter in the top 5 WRs? That's odd. He's not the ST player Austin is, but he seems like a better WR. At least he seems to have a much higher floor.

 

[I_am_1z]

Jeff Tuel went 6-8 for 115 yards and a TD in the Casino Del Sol All-Star game

Today at the NFLPA bow he's currently perfect with a TD

 

[NinerSickness]

I've had a hard time ranking the safeties in this draft. I think Reid is rated too low right now, and he had a really high floor. I'd take him as a SS in a second. A lot of people had Tim McDonald's kid ahead of him all year, which I thought was bonkers.

Jefferson does what a lot of DBs these days have forgotten how to do: wrap up. Another guy I'd take as a SS.

Matt Elam played great this year, but I don't see a load of potential in him. And he's rated too high IMO. The dude can hit though.

I like CB converts as FS prospects in the NFL, so I'd keep an eye on Amerson & Rhodes. I don't expect Goldson to be back.

I wouldn't spend higher than a 2nd rounder on a safety in this draft because I don't think it's extremely top-heavy.

 

[NinerSickness]

WAY too early mock (4 rounds) for the Niners (if they don't make any trades).

...yes, you can tell I'm getting antsy for the game tommorow...

Players whom I expect to ge gone: Allen, John Jenkins & the obvious...

1st: Jonathan Cooper (Short & Eifert are also possibilities; might add Logan, but I don't know yet).
2nd: Tyler Bray
3rd: Brandon Jenkins (over Tank Carridine barely)
4th: Cornelius Washington VERY intriguing 3-4 DE prospect. Some people think he can be an OLB, but he seems to be extremely stout against the run.

Ideally, I'd like to make some trades & get at least one safety prospect, but without any trades this is the best I can muster.

 

[BINGO]

WAY too early mock (4 rounds) for the Niners (if they don't make any trades).

...yes, you can tell I'm getting antsy for the game tommorow...

Players whom I expect to ge gone: Allen, John Jenkins & the obvious...

1st: Jonathan Cooper (Short & Eifert are also possibilities; might add Logan, but I don't know yet).
2nd: Tyler Bray
3rd: Brandon Jenkins (over Tank Carridine barely)
4th: Cornelius Washington VERY intriguing 3-4 DE prospect. Some people think he can be an OLB, but he seems to be extremely stout against the run.

Ideally, I'd like to make some trades & get at least one safety prospect, but without any trades this is the best I can muster.

That's a whack draft! A lot of reaches.

 

[NinerSickness]

That's a whack draft! A lot of reaches.

Probably. Bray is likely a reach, but he's a must-draft IMO. There won't be a lot of opprotunities to draft a QB as talented as he in the foreseeable future, and the Niners need someone to develop IMO (I'm hoping for an eventual starter even if Kaep wins it all). I don't want to go in to next season with Scott Tolzien as the backup.

There aren't a lot of players after the 3rd round I like, and Washington is the one guy I think could be the next Ray MacDonald in this draft.

Wasn't sure where to go in the 3rd, and the Niners do need a situational pass-rusher IMO.

 

[imac_21]

Probably. Bray is likely a reach, but he's a must-draft IMO. There won't be a lot of opprotunities to draft a QB as talented as he in the foreseeable future, and the Niners need someone to develop IMO (I'm hoping for an eventual starter even if Kaep wins it all). I don't want to go in to next season with Scott Tolzien as the backup.

There aren't a lot of players after the 3rd round I like, and Washington is the one guy I think could be the next Ray MacDonald in this draft.

Wasn't sure where to go in the 3rd, and the Niners do need a situational pass-rusher IMO.

My biggest issue with drafting Bray is that he requires the offense to change drastically if he has to play. I'd rather our backup be someone with a skill set similar to Kaep. That way if Kaep gets injured, we have someone who can run the same plays.

 

[NinerSickness]

My biggest issue with drafting Bray is that he requires the offense to change drastically if he has to play. I'd rather our backup be someone with a skill set similar to Kaep. That way if Kaep gets injured, we have someone who can run the same plays.

I'm not so sure that's necessary. The offense changed drastically when Alex went down, and they didn't skip a beat.

Whom did you have in mind as a backup?

 

[clyde_carbon]

I've had a hard time ranking the safeties in this draft. I think Reid is rated too low right now, and he had a really high floor. I'd take him as a SS in a second. A lot of people had Tim McDonald's kid ahead of him all year, which I thought was bonkers.

Jefferson does what a lot of DBs these days have forgotten how to do: wrap up. Another guy I'd take as a SS.

Matt Elam played great this year, but I don't see a load of potential in him. And he's rated too high IMO. The dude can hit though.

I like CB converts as FS prospects in the NFL, so I'd keep an eye on Amerson & Rhodes. I don't expect Goldson to be back.

I wouldn't spend higher than a 2nd rounder on a safety in this draft because I don't think it's extremely top-heavy.

Lol, no they didn't.

 

[BINGO]

Probably. Bray is likely a reach, but he's a must-draft IMO. There won't be a lot of opprotunities to draft a QB as talented as he in the foreseeable future, and the Niners need someone to develop IMO (I'm hoping for an eventual starter even if Kaep wins it all). I don't want to go in to next season with Scott Tolzien as the backup.

There aren't a lot of players after the 3rd round I like, and Washington is the one guy I think could be the next Ray MacDonald in this draft.

Wasn't sure where to go in the 3rd, and the Niners do need a situational pass-rusher IMO.

Jenkins will definitely last till the 4th round. We already spent a high draft pick on a QB and he is leading us to the NFCCG tomorrow. He still hasn't hit his ceiling yet. I don't want to get a QB this year not until the 5th round or later. I'm okay with Tolzien as our 2nd string backup in 2013.

Gholston, Jesse Williams are prospects I would draft before Washington. Washington is much better than them in rushing the passer from that position, but in terms of setting the edge and being stout, Gholtston and Williams would do that all day. If they're discipline enough I see no reason why they couldn't consistently create lanes for our LBs to blitz from. I don't necessarily need another Justin Smith guy who is a force as a pass rusher and stout against the run and creative in setting up Aldon, but I need a guy like Gholston and Williams who can do the little things very well all the time without being known as a terror in rushing the QB. Your mock didn't address some of our biggest needs. That was mind main problem with it. No value with your picks either (more reaches than steals).

 

[NinerSickness]

Lol, no they didn't.

You didn't see that? I remember people hyping him up as a first round draft pick and the next great safety prospect.

I never bought it.

 

[NinerSickness]

I'm okay with Tolzien as our 2nd string backup in 2013.

All I can say is

Gholston, Jesse Williams are prospects I would draft before Washington.

So would I (at least Williams; not 100% sure about Gholston). But there's no way either one of them are around in the 4th round. I don't think they'll even be there in the 3rd.

 

[BINGO]

All I can say is



So would I (at least Williams; not 100% sure about Gholston). But there's no way either one of them are around in the 4th round. I don't think they'll even be there in the 3rd.

I am looking at your mock again, and just now realized that Washington was a 4th round pick. Your mock confused me because you missed several picks (I believe we have 2 thirds and 2 fourths). I thought Washington was one of the 3rds that we have. Anyway, I like cooper I think he'll make a fine pro, but I am certain at pick 32 there will be better value there for us. We're one right foot injury away to having the worse WR corp in the league. Patterson nowadays is no longer considered a realistic pick for us. So Austin, could be that guy. Roman could work wonders with him in our offense. He, LMJ, Kaep, Davis are unfair to plan against. I could see Austin doing that receiver motion play we do with Ginn and Mario. We did that motion play with Ginn at least two times against Green Bay last week. The defense practically ignored Ginn as he was motioning because they don't respect him as much. Had a been a player like Harvin or Austin running that motion in the backfield, do you know how big of an alley that can create for Kaep and LMJ if the defense bite on that play?! OMG!! That's just one play I can think of. Roman would drool over what he would be able to do with Austin on our lineup.

 

[imac_21]

I'm not so sure that's necessary. The offense changed drastically when Alex went down, and they didn't skip a beat.

Whom did you have in mind as a backup?

It isn't as if we installed the pistol and zone read stuff overnight. Harbaugh and Roman had been preparing for that transition since Kaep was drafted. Presumably we wouldn't be installing an offense for Bray and an offense for Kaep.

I don't know who I'd be looking at as a backup, but it wouldn't be a statue type. In a year or two I'd look at someone like Braxton Miller, Devin Gardner or Everett Golson. Those guys already have the mobility, give Crist and Harbaugh some time to work on the mechanics like they did with Kaep and we could be in good shape.

 

[clyde_carbon]

imac has a point. Who's Tom Brady's backup? Ryan Mallett. Peyton Manning's? Brock Osweiler. Drew Brees'? Chase Daniel.

All similar in terms skill set.

 

[NinerSickness]

imac has a point. Who's Tom Brady's backup? Ryan Mallett. Peyton Manning's? Brock Osweiler. Drew Brees'? Chase Daniel.

All similar in terms skill set.

So what you're saying is if Kaep goes down next year, the Niners are screwed anyway? Other than possibly Mallett, I don't see any of those backups winning anything.

Alex & Kaep don't have anywhere near the same skill sets. Also, there isn't going to be much of an opprotunity to develop a QB in the next couple of years becasuse (1) The Niners won't have any high draft picks and (2) This year's QB class is so weak.

Even if Kaep wins it all, I see him as interchangeable with a bunch of other possibilities at QB. It's Harbaugh & Roman who makes this offense go, not the QB.

Whom would you want to acquire at QB once Alex is cut?

 

[clyde_carbon]

So what you're saying is if Kaep goes down next year, the Niners are screwed anyway? Other than possibly Mallett, I don't see any of those backups winning anything.

Alex & Kaep don't have anywhere near the same skill sets. Also, there isn't going to be much of an opprotunity to develop a QB in the next couple of years becasuse (1) The Niners won't have any high draft picks and (2) This year's QB class is so weak.

Even if Kaep wins it all, I see him as interchangeable with a bunch of other possibilities at QB. It's Harbaugh & Roman who makes this offense go, not the QB.

Whom would you want to acquire at QB once Alex is cut?

I agree that Harbaugh/Roman are the driving forces behind this offense and will adapt to whoever is QB, but the point is that it'll be an easier transition if the back QB's skill set is similar to the starter. I think that was the original point.

Matt Moore is a guy I'm interested in as a backup. I also like what I've seen from Tolzein, so if it came down to that, it won't be the end of the world.

 

[NinerSickness]

I could live with Matt Moore as the backup next year. I REALLY want the Niners to draft a QB though.

 

[justforkicks]

1) John Jenkins (Fat guy who can collapse the pocket)
2) David Amerson (Ball hawk can play safety or cb)
3) Marcus Lattimore (Stash him for the year on IR, featured back once Gore retires)
3) Chase Thomas (Provides good OLB depth and will be a ST stud)

Sign Leodis McKelvin (CB and returner), Rob Bironas and Matt Moore (I've always liked him)