2012 College Football / 2013 NFL Draft

[Ray_Dogg]

Really? I just don't see it. Brees was one of those players whose players who people doubted becuase of his limited physical abilities, but his play on the field and fundamentals were great.

First of all, literally everybody I've heard (outside this forum) says that Barkley is a shoe-in for the #1 pick overall. Other than myself, I don't know anyone who has been consistently critical of him.

I have never understood the hype on him. I have been saying that for years. So that makes two of us.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I'm glad I went to the Stanford game instead of staying home and watching my Vols fail for the 8th straight time. Fuck.

 

[clyde_carbon]

I'm glad I went to the Stanford game instead of staying home and watching my Vols fail for the 8th straight time. Fuck.

Were you on University for the after party?

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Were you on University for the after party?

No, I had to drive home to south SJ.

 

[EKmane]

I'm glad I went to the Stanford game instead of staying home and watching my Vols fail for the 8th straight time. Fuck.

That was a great game. I only watched on t.v. but came away with a new appreciation for tight end Zack Ertz and for de/olb Trent Murphy. I want them both on the Niners this upcoming draft.

:target:

 

[clyde_carbon]

Another intriguing guy is Marcus Davis from Virginia Tech. He's a former QB converted WR.

Keep that name in mind.

 

[BINGO]

NFL Draft 2013
Commentary
Linemen showing well early in 2012The 2013 class loaded on defense; three quarterbacks are now in the top 32
Originally Published: September 12, 2012
By Todd McShay | Scouts Inc.

The college football season is two weeks old, and I've seen enough action to begin shuffling my initial ranking of the top 32 overall NFL prospects.

An SEC pass-rusher is shooting up the board into the top five, our top-rated corner in the preseason has taken a big tumble and the defensive line class looks deep and talented.


Here's how the entire list shakes down heading into Week 3. Non-seniors are noted with an asterisk, and be sure to check back on Friday for complete updates to Scouts Inc.'s top 150.


1. Matt Barkley QB 6-1⅞ 228
Analysis: Barkley has been as good as expected so far, showing off his smarts and accuracy, as well as a quick release and impressive poise in the pocket. Far and away the top quarterback on the board.
Previously: 1



2. Chance Warmack OG 6-2⅜ 325
Analysis: Warmack is as good as any guard prospect I've ever evaluated, and the rare guard worthy of a top-10 pick. He is agile, athletic and strong. The classic interior tough guy who is also a very smart player.
Previously: 2


3. Barkevious Mingo* DE 6-5 240
Analysis: Mingo has great length and outstanding speed for his size. His first step is elite, he shows explosive movement skills and has great range and closing burst against the run.
Previously: 4


4. Jarvis Jones* OLB 6-2 242
Analysis: Jones dominated against Missouri in Week 2, showing off his impressive combination of pass-rush skills, range and coverage ability. A very good athlete who is quickly moving into the top half of the first round. Previously: 15


5. Johnathan Jenkins DT 6-4⅛ 363
Analysis: A massive two-gap nose tackle with a good combination of size, strength and short-area quickness to control the inside and occasionally contribute as a pass-rusher.
Previously: 5


6. Star Lotulelei DT 6-3 320
Analysis: A massive, stout run-stopper with a good anchor and powerful hands, Lotulelei also shows good short-area quickness and plays with a mean streak, though he still needs to develop his pass-rush skills.
Previously: 6


7. Justin Hunter* WR 6-4 205
Analysis: Hunter is still recovering from a knee injury that ended his 2011 season, but he's a smooth route-runner with a lean frame, body control and ball skills reminiscent of A.J. Green.
Previously: 7


8.Manti Te'o ILB 6-1 248
Analysis: Te'o is the leader of the Notre Dame defense. He is strong at the point of attack against the run and can deliver heavy blows on ball carriers, and shows good range and playmaking skills in underneath coverage.
Previously: 9


9. Johnathan Hankins* DT 6-3 335
Analysis: Hankins can occupy multiple blockers against the run and won't back down at the point of attack, and will make plays with effort as a pass-rusher.
Previously: 12


10. Corey Lemonier* DE 6-4 242
Analysis: Lemonier was all over the field in the opener against Clemson, thanks in part to his explosive first step and closing burst. He also holds up well against the run and plays with a relentless motor.
Previously: 16


11. Logan Thomas* QB 6-5 254
Analysis: Thomas did not have his best game in a comeback win over Georgia Tech, but he made big throws when his team needed them most. He has a rare blend of size and speed, a quick release and strong arm, and the ability to check plays at the line of scrimmage.
Previously: 11


12. Dee Milliner* CB 6-0¾ 197
Analysis: Milliner stepped up when tested in Week 1 against Michigan, showing good quickness, instincts and feel for routes. His good top-end speed also gives him plenty of range, and he shows a physical side.
Previously: NR


13. Jonathan Cooper OG 6-3 320
Analysis: Cooper has good quickness and mobility, explosive power and good feet and balance. He has good awareness in pass protection and plays with an edge overall.
Previously: 10


14. Marcus Lattimore* RB 6-0 232
Analysis: Lattimore has looked strong coming off a torn ACL that ended his 2011 season, running hard and showing good instincts. He is light on his feet, changes direction quickly and consistently runs behind his pads.
Previously: 13


15.Sam Montgomery* DE 6-4 245
Analysis: A powerful pass-rusher with good balance and leverage, Montgomery also holds the point well against the run and plays with a chip on his shoulder.
Previously: 15

 

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David Amerson* CB 6-2 193
Analysis: Amerson entered the season with a high-first-round grade, but he was beaten badly on several occasions in the opener in Tennessee, raising questions about his burst and overall speed. Amerson is tough in run support, but he was exposed in coverage by the Volunteers.
Previously: 3


Sylvester Williams DT 6-2 320
Analysis: Williams needs to be more consistent with his pad level, but he can be a space-eater when he stays low and flashes the ability to make plays down the line of scrimmage. Also shows effective pass-rush moves at times.
Previously: NR


Keenan Allen* WR 6-3 206
Analysis: Allen has a good combination of size and speed, and his hands and body control are excellent. He does not have elite deep speed to run by defenders, but his size and strength allow him to win one-on-one battles down the field.
Previously: 18


Kawann Short DT 6-3⅛ 325
Analysis: Short is playing with more consistency, effort and explosiveness in 2012, disrupting offenses from the interior and giving himself a chance to be in the first-round mix.
Previously: 29


Robert Woods* WR 6-1 190
Analysis: A sudden athlete who explodes off the line, can eat up a defender's cushion and tracks the ball well down the field. Woods lacks elite size but is willing to work the middle of the field, and is an effective and decisive runner after the catch.
Previously: 32


Brennan Williams OT 6-6 320
Analysis: Williams moves well and does a nice job of working to the second level, making him a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme. Can also ride pass-rushers past the pocket and absorb power moves.
Previously: 17


Alec Ogletree* ILB 6-3 237
Analysis: Ogletree's instincts are raw, but he is a natural playmaker and a sideline-to-sideline run defender. He also flashes big-time potential as a pass-rusher.
Previously: 20


Marquess Wilson* WR 6-4 183
Analysis: Wilson has a thin frame but is a smooth, fluid athlete who can create separation out of breaks. Also shows deceptive speed, and very good hands and body control.
Previously: 21


Luke Joeckel* OT 6-5¾ 306
Analysis: Joeckel has quick feet, good balance and the ability to recover in pass protection. He is also a technically-sound run-blocker who takes good angles and is consistently in position.
Previously: 31


Kenny Vaccaro S 6-0½ 210
Analysis: Vaccaro has rare movement skills, showing explosiveness and fluid hips, and he's instinctive in coverage. He knows how to read the quarterback's eyes, has plenty of confidence and plays with a physical edge in run support.
Previously: 19


Bennie Logan* DT6-3 290
Analysis: Logan is tough to block one-on-one in the run game, has great range and manhandles ball carriers. He's also an impressive natural athlete with good upside as a pass-rusher.
Previously: 27


Dallas Thomas OT 6-5⅛ 297
Analysis: Thomas needs to improve his overall awareness, but he has good size, is strong playing in tight quarters and has the versatility to line up at tackle or guard.
Previously: 28


William Gholston* DE 6-6 278
Analysis: Gholston's size-speed combination is impressive, and he has the power to stack the edge against the run. His effort is inconsistent at times, but he plays with an edge and has all kinds of potential as a pass-rusher.
Previously: 26


Shawn Williams S 6-0 219
Analysis: Williams reads his keys and diagnoses plays quickly, and he understands leverage and angles in coverage. He also has the size and aggressiveness to be a force in run support.
Previously: 27


Geno Smith QB 6-2¾ 208
Analysis: Smith is a confident competitor who shows a great feel for the offense and getting through his progressions. He sometimes has too much faith in his arm, but his accuracy, mechanics and footwork are solid.
Previously: NR


Tyler Wilson QB 6-1⅞ 210
Analysis: Lacks ideal height but shows poise and good mental and physical toughness. Wilson's pocket mobility is underrated and he throws well on the run. Previously: NR


Le'veon Bell* RB 6-2 242
Analysis: Bell burst on the scene with a huge game in the opener against Boise State, showing off his size, speed, balance and athleticism. He has nimble feet, good patience and vision and excellent body control and lateral agility. Also contributes in various areas of the passing game. Previously: NR

Todd McShay is the director of college scouting for Scouts Inc. He has been evaluating prospects for the NFL draft since 1998.

 

[BINGO]

Big Board has top WR rising
Tennessee's Justin Hunter is the week's biggest mover among NFL prospects
Originally Published: September 12, 2012
By Mel Kiper Jr. | ESPN Insider

You have to be a pretty special talent to be where Tennessee wide receiver Justin Hunter finds himself. Now up to No. 5 on my Big Board, Hunter is in that position despite two years where he really hasn't had the opportunity to show what he's capable of. Hunter was limited to only 33 total catches over his first two years in Knoxville because of injuries, but off to a great start in 2012, he's once again giving us all a glimpse of what he's capable of. While there's plenty left to see, with health certainly a considerable question going forward, Hunter is a gamebreaker when right, and with strong-armed Tyler Bray throwing the ball, his combination of size, speed and pass-catching talent can be on full display.

Also back on the board is an SEC talent who could cross paths with Hunter. Johnthan Banks is another big, rangy defensive back capable of defending receivers of great size that dot college and NFL rosters. Regarding comments you'll see week to week: The scouting perspective remains similar week to week for people catching up, but I'll note matchup highlights. If there's a player you don't see here, but want feedback on, I find some time to respond on Twitter. Hit me @MelKiperESPN. As always, juniors and draft-eligible sophomores are noted with an asterisk.


1 Matt Barkley
AGE: 21 DOB: 9/8/90 HT: 6-2 WT: 224
POS: QB Comp 46 Att 68 Pct 67.6 Yds 559 TD 10 Int 1
Will be tested a little more against Stanford. Working with great talent, Barkley is piling up totals, but that's a two-way street. Won't wow evaluators with physical skills, but sound across the board: ball-placement, timing, use of his eyes, poise, leadership skills and a ton of experience. Has improved every year.
LAST WEEK: 1 | PLAYER CARD


2 Jarvis Jones *
AGE: 22 DOB: 10/13/89 HT: 6-3 WT: 241
POS: OLB Tkl 17 Sack 3.5 Int 1
Simply dominated Missouri, showing off the full range. An explosive, relentless edge rusher, he profiles as a 3-4 OLB. Jones has a quick first step and violent hands, tackles well and closes fast. Improved against the run, and he can really cover, which many don't know.
LAST WEEK: 2 | PLAYER CARD


3 Barkevious Mingo *
AGE: 21 DOB: 10/4/90 HT: 6-5 WT: 242
POS: DE Tkl 8 Sack 0 Int 0
Mingo uses exceptional length and a lightning first step to turn the corner. Pass-rush skills are there, but could diversify. Still learning concepts after late start in football, but reads game well given lack of experience.
LAST WEEK: 3 | PLAYER CARD


4 Sam Montgomery *
AGE: 21 DOB: 5/25/90 HT: 6-4 WT: 260
POS: DE Tkl 4 Sack 1.0 Int 0
Montgomery has added some size and could be considered a fit in almost any system; and his frame can handle it if he adds more. Athleticism and pass-rush skills are there, and he really holds up against the run. Max-effort player, natural athlete, instinctive rusher. Still a lot of projection left.
LAST WEEK: 4 | PLAYER CARD


5 Justin Hunter *
AGE: 21 DOB: 5/20/91 HT: 6-4 WT: 205
POS: WR Rec 17 Yds 219 Avg 8.1 TD 2
Overshadowed by his teammate against N.C. State, but Hunter is dangerous. Stats haven't done him justice. Most of 2011 was wiped out by injury. Blazing speed, but uses good technique and gets in and out of breaks. Good hands, a major threat down the field.
LAST WEEK: 9 | PLAYER CARD


6 Chance Warmack
AGE: 21 DOB: 9/14/91 HT: 6-3 WT: 320
POS: OG GP 2 GS 2
With a great start to the season, Warmack is dominating the interior. A powerful run-blocker, he isn't just massive; Warmack moves well, with initial power plus the ability to seek out LBs on the second level. Solid pass-blocker, able to lock up rushers.
LAST WEEK: 6 | PLAYER CARD


7 Star Lotulelei
AGE: 22 DOB: 12/20/89 HT: 6-4 WT: 325
POS: DT Tkl 6 Sack 1. 5 Int 0
Brings consistent, relentless effort. Demands double-teams, clogs up the middle of the field. A great sense for disrupting the run game, with power to bull rush. Quick off the ball, with great upper-body strength. Coaches rave.
LAST WEEK: 7 | PLAYER CARD


8 Corey Lemonier *
AGE: 21 DOB: 2/19/91 HT: 6-4 WT: 250
POS: DE Tkl 5 Sack 3.0 Int 0
Showing off with big games against Clemson and Mississippi State. Light for a defensive end prospect, Lemonier has the speed, but must hold up better against the run. He utilizes quickness as a pass-rusher, with great burst off the snap and a few counters.
LAST WEEK: 11 | PLAYER CARD


9 Johnathan Hankins *
AGE: 21 DOB: HT: 6-3 WT: 335
POS: DT Tkl 5 Sack 0 Int 0
Explosive first step for a big man, but not really a pass-rushing type. Size allows him to drive blockers into the backfield. Impressive agility; gets down the line well. Will draw constant double-teams all season, but has bouts of inconsistency.
LAST WEEK: 5 | PLAYER CARD


10 Manti Te'o
AGE: 21 DOB: 1/26/91 HT: 6-2 WT: 255
POS: LB Tkl 16 Sack 0 Int 1
Huge matchup approaches with Le'Veon Bell and Spartans. Should be the top interior linebacker in 2013 draft class. Has blitzing skills. Te'o is a big, strong, instinctive tackling presence in the middle of the field. Reads plays well and gets through traffic.
LAST WEEK: 10 | PLAYER CARD

 

[BINGO]

11 Luke Joeckel *
AGE: 21 DOB: 11/6/91 HT: 6-6 WT: 310
POS: OT GP 1 GS 1
Showed his form against Florida. Really experienced, he has started on the left since his freshman season. Joeckel is best in pass protection and doesn't get rattled by speed or secondary moves. Not an elite athlete, but he's a good technician; faces great pass-rushers this season.
LAST WEEK: 11 | PLAYER CARD


12 David Amerson *
AGE: 20 DOB: 12/8/91 HT: 6-3 WT: 189
POS: CB Tkl 10 Sack 0 Int 1
Tough first week, but bounced back nicely. Exceptional cover skills, with a sixth sense for when to improvise. Size and speed to match up with any receiver, so he can go up for the ball, but freelances effectively. Led nation in INTs last year. Competitive.
LAST WEEK: 13 | PLAYER CARD


13 Kawann Short
AGE: 23 DOB: 2/2/89 HT: 6-3 WT: 312
POS: DT Tkl 5 Sack 3.0 Int 0
Played well against Notre Dame -- disruptive and into the backfield. A very good athlete who can control the line of scrimmage. Doesn't always show explosiveness, but uses his hands well to clear blocks and was constantly in the backfield. A better fit in a 4-3.
LAST WEEK: 16 | PLAYER CARD


14 John Jenkins
AGE: 23 DOB: 7/11/89 HT: 6-3 WT: 358
POS: DT Tkl 6 Sack 0 Int 0
Jenkins is simply a massive human being, perhaps the player in this draft class who, right now, best profiles as a true zero-tech, 3-4 nose tackle. The thing is, Jenkins can move pretty well, so he's not locked into that role. Guys like these have serious value.
LAST WEEK: 18 | PLAYER CARD


15 Logan Thomas *
AGE: 21 DOB: 7/1/91 HT: 6-6 WT: 262
POS: QB Comp 36 Att 61 Pct 59.0 Yds 442 TD 4 Int 0
OK start to the season, but Thomas is still getting comfortable with new pieces on offense. Huge kid with elite arm strength, and still building his repertoire as a passer. But he's not raw. In fact, has very good mechanics. Can drive the ball downfield, but displays nice touch.
LAST WEEK: 14 | PLAYER CARD


16 Keenan Allen *
AGE: 20 DOB: 4/27/92 HT: 6-3 WT: 206
POS: WR Rec 11 Yds 136 Avg 12.4 TD 1
Great athlete -- Allen could play defense if he wanted. Strong hands; catches the ball with ease away from his body. Sets up defenders, sees the field well, settles in creases against zones. Not a total burner, but can sell short routes and break deep. Run-after-catch skills.
LAST WEEK: 14 | PLAYER CARD


17 Dee Milliner *
AGE: 20 DOB: 9/14/91 HT: 6-1 WT: 199
POS: CB Tkl 5 Sack 0 Int 1
Another big corner in the Tide secondary, Milliner is another player who is extremely physical, and isn't shy in run support, but is fluid, reads the game well and can turn and run with top wideouts.
LAST WEEK: 23 | PLAYER CARD


18 Eric Reid *
AGE: 21 DOB: 12/10/91 HT: 6-2 WT: 212
POS: S Tkl 9 Sack 0 Int 1
Great instincts, and a sound tackler from the secondary. A safety who can cover but also play close to the line. Tied for team lead in tackles on a team that can really pursue the ball. Big hitter.
LAST WEEK: 17 | PLAYER CARD


19 William Gholston *
AGE: 21 DOB: 7/31/91 HT: 6-7 WT: 280
POS: DE Tkl 7 Sack 1.0 Int 0
Slow start against Boise State, but dominant in Week 2. Great length and frame, with very good pass-rushing skills. Has legit size and skills to be a 4-3 DE at the next level. Experience shows; reads offenses well.
LAST WEEK: 21 | PLAYER CARD


20 Xavier Rhodes *
AGE: 22 DOB: 6/19/90 HT: 6-2 WT: 209
POS: CB Tkl 5 Sack 0 Int 1
Didn't pile up INTs last year, but the tape shows how much QBs avoid him. A starter since his freshman season, Rhodes has elite size, handles deep routes well and can hang with smaller WRs. Can move up the board.
LAST WEEK: 15 | PLAYER CARD


21 Robert Woods *
AGE: 20 DOB: 4/10/92 HT: 6-1 WT: 185
POS: WR Rec 16 Yds 135 Avg 8.4 TD 4
Hasn't stretched defenses yet in 2012, but Woods is quick, crafty and dependable, and you can't discount his speed, as he'll beat teams over the top. Soft hands and will pick up yards after the catch. Uses space along sidelines and in the corners well.
LAST WEEK: 20 | PLAYER CARD


22 Marcus Lattimore *
AGE: 20 DOB: 10/29/91 HT: 6-0 WT: 232
POS: RB Rush 36 Yds 150 Avg 4.2 TD 3
A little tentative in his cuts, coming off ACL tear, but still effective. Just needs to regain confidence is my guess. Explosive, tightly packed player who packs a punch but moves better than a player his size should. Elite if healthy.
LAST WEEK: 22 | PLAYER CARD


23 Le'Veon Bell *
AGE: 20 DOB: 2/18/92 HT: 6-2 WT: 242
POS: RB Rush 62 Yds 280 Avg 4.5 TD 4
Piling up carries early in 2012, Bell runs, catches, blocks and is humble afterward. A bruising back, Bell follows blocks well and will run over tacklers. Not a burner, but has quick feet and can get wide where he won't run out of bounds.
LAST WEEK: 24 | PLAYER CARD


24 Johnthan Banks
AGE: 22 DOB: 10/3/89 HT: 6-2 WT: 185
POS: CB Tkl 7 Sack 0 Int 2
Off to a great start to reclaim his spot here, and was great against Auburn. A very good man corner, he's excellent in his backpedal and turns well. Plenty of speed to stay with speedy WRs, has length to battle up high. Tape shows he challenged line of scrimmage; gets TFL.
LAST WEEK: NR | PLAYER CARD


25 Bjoern Werner *
AGE: 21 DOB: 9/30/90 HT: 6-4 WT: 255
POS: DE Tkl 7 Sack 5.0 Int 0
Gaudy numbers early against soft competition, but Werner showed this last year, too. Strong but athletic, he has great ball awareness as he rushes, and knocks down balls at a high rate. Developing as a pass-rusher; high ceiling because of late arrival to the game.
LAST WEEK: NR | PLAYER CARD

 

[clyde_carbon]

A few thoughts:

- Looks like Chance Warmack is gaining steam. I've been on him since the beginning of last year. Probably my favorite/top Guard prospect of all time. Just so nasty when he gets his hands on defenders and is so explosive off the ball. I like him better than David DeCastro, and that's saying a lot considering how high I ranked DeCastro last year.

- I don't like the negation of Andre Ellington on there. Other than size, he has everything you look for a stud NFL RB. Ray Graham should be somewhere on their, or close to be being on there as well. It's good to see Bell on their too.

- Matt Barkley is too high, Tyler Wilson is way, way too low. Wilson is a top-5 prospect, maybe even the top prospect, in this draft.

- Georgia has two really, really athletic LBs not named Jarvis Jones. Both Alec Ogletree and Cornelius Washington should actually show better at the combine than Jones. Not saying they're better prospects, though.

- Two WRs I like are Aaron Dobson (Marshall) and Marcus Davis (Virginia Tech) should climb peoples boards by the end of the year. I actually had Dobson as a top-12 prospect entering the year. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Marshall. Another guy I'm waiting to make an impact that I had in the top-10 is LaMarcus Joyner. I had him as my top rated safety coming in.

 

[NinerSickness]

Finally the German Giant gets a little credit for being the on-field bully he is.

I REALLY Hope people keep sleeping on Keenan Allen, because he would be a very nice prize in the draft. Especially if the Niners picked him at 32.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Finally the German Giant gets a little credit for being the on-field bully he is.

I REALLY Hope people keep sleeping on Keenan Allen, because he would be a very nice prize in the draft. Especially if the Niners picked him at 32.

Agreed.

 

[BINGO]

Finally the German Giant gets a little credit for being the on-field bully he is.

I REALLY Hope people keep sleeping on Keenan Allen, because he would be a very nice prize in the draft. Especially if the Niners picked him at 32.

If we part ways with both Moss and Manningham I could definitely see the 9ers draft a receiver again in the first round. Woods or Allen could fall that far, and that wouldn't be due to their lack of talent/ ability, but instead because this draft is so loaded with pass rushers and QBs. Everyone will be searching for the next Aldon Smith or RG3. People are going to reach for players like we never seen before. As for me I'm hoping we draft Margus Hunt at 32 and Tyran Mathieu in the 2nd round if we part ways with Dashon (some people see him as a corner but I think he'd make a better FS at the next level).

 

[clyde_carbon]

If we part ways with both Moss and Manningham I could definitely see the 9ers draft a receiver again in the first round. Woods or Allen could fall that far not because of their ability but because this draft is so loaded with pass rushers and QBs. Everyone will be searching for the next Aldon Smith or RG3. People are going to reach for players not we never seen before. As for me I'm hoping we draft Margus Hunt at 32 and Tyran Mathieu in the 2nd round if we part ways with Dashon (some people see him as a corner but I think he'd make a better FS at the next level).

I'm fairly certain Tyrann Mathieu is returning, no?

 

[NinerSickness]

Safety will probably be the biggest need position if Goldson doens't sign long-term, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'd want one in the first...

Way too early to discuss the draft is never too early.

The Niners' roster is so loaded that I hope they're able to get a nice trade up this year. Maybe a guy like Hankins slides (if Soap isn't franchised) far enough that it'dbe a good idea to nab him.

 

[BINGO]

I'm fairly certain Tyrann Mathieu is returning, no?

If he's smart he should return to school, and that's the thing. Not sure if he is humble enough to go that route. I just think he'll go for $$ and enter the league.

 

[BINGO]

Safety will probably be the biggest need position if Goldson doens't sign long-term, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'd want one in the first...

Way too early to discuss the draft is never too early.

The Niners' roster is so loaded that I hope they're able to get a nice trade up this year. Maybe a guy like Hankins slides (if Soap isn't franchised) far enough that it'dbe a good idea to nab him.

NOW you're talking. Hankins, Clyde's boy Jenkins is high on my list too. If we get either or I'd be ecstatic and our LBs would be even better - that is scarrry!! Nothing against soap but those guys were made to play the nose.

 

[clyde_carbon]

2013 NFL Mock Draft: Round One

 

[EKmane]

2013 NFL Mock Draft: Round One

I wouldn't mind that pick, a beast to groom behind Cowboy. I also wouldn't mind Khaled Holmes at #32.

Khaled Holmes vs Utah 2011 "Star Lotulelei" - YouTube

FSU Bjoern Werner 2011 Highlights - YouTube