So the QB spot is now officially an open competition

Lake Shore Drive said:

Bears Make Official Statement on Nick Foles and Mitch Trubisky

And remember as the old saying goes, when you have two QBs vying for the starter role, you really have none.

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richig07 said:

I've never heard of that saying. There's a barrage of examples with teams who had great seasons or a string of seasons emerge out of QB competitions.

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Lake Shore Drive said:

You've never heard of that? I'm surprised. In any event, I'll take a proven, dependable, no-questions-asked starter over two fighting it out for the spot every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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NCChiFan said:

Now? I knew that the moment they traded/signed Foles.

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Lake Shore Drive said:

Bears Make Official Statement on Nick Foles and Mitch Trubisky

And remember as the old saying goes, when you have two QBs vying for the starter role, you really have none.

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beardown07 said:

I say run Mitch into the fucking ground. RPO it, and give him the green light to run whenever he fucking feels like it. Like a workhorse running back. Then when he inevitably gets hurt, finish up with BDN.

Ride the youth til he shits the bed. Save up the savvy vet for when it counts.


Mitch isn't Joe Montana, but he can absolutely be utilized in a more efficient manor. Nagy flat-wasted the first half of last season. It was bad. He adjusted, and was much better the second half.

I hope to fuck, Nagy learned a fuckton last year, cuz I feel it was fairly evident that he, at the very least, misjudged his team/qb, and at the worst, was a complete stubborn egotist for half a season.

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richig07 said:

I think it was just as much a product of "This dip shit offense and QB can't execute my offense right. So, now I have to redesign the entire f'n thing and run the I-formation like it's 1987."

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beardown07 said:

You hold Nagy in way too high regard. Mitch sucks, but so does Nagy's system. Particularly the o-line and run game schemes. It's hot garbage.

Football is football. I don't care what fucking year it is. You have to have balance. You have to be able to run the ball, or at least it be perceived that you can. You can't just run throw-away running plays on first down, and then just expect your QB to continually bail you out of poor down and distance.

Nagy's system, and "offensive mind" are greatly exaggerated.

Even if your scenario is right, it still took him half a season to adjust and recognize it. That's on Nagy 100%.

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jwolt92 said:

I think the saying is more "If you have two quarterbacks, you have none" meaning if the coach can't make up his mind and is trying to use both, it doesn't work.

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beardown07 said:

You hold Nagy in way too high regard. Mitch sucks, but so does Nagy's system. Particularly the o-line and run game schemes. It's hot garbage.

Football is football. I don't care what fucking year it is. You have to have balance. You have to be able to run the ball, or at least it be perceived that you can. You can't just run throw-away running plays on first down, and then just expect your QB to continually bail you out of poor down and distance.

Nagy's system, and "offensive mind" are greatly exaggerated.

Even if your scenario is right, it still took him half a season to adjust and recognize it. That's on Nagy 100%.

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richig07 said:

Nagy's system worked fantastically in year #1. Good enough to hide Mitch's shortcomings, in fact. Hell, make him look promising even, at times. Nagy's run scheming has gotten some criticism. However, he's pretty unanimously praised for his scheming/design in the passing game.

When pieces on the O-line didn't return as strong. It exposed our QB. Therefore, the offense collapsed.

It took him all of 6 games dude. Hell, only 4 games with Mitch under center. We fell to 3-3 and then he came out running power-I vs LAC. That's a great demonstration of a willingness to adjust.

6 (really 4) games to reinvent your entire offensive concept? In the middle of the season? I mean, I don't know how you can complain about that.

You can't just run throw-away running plays on first down, and then just expect your QB to continually bail you out of poor down and distance.

When your QB demands absolutely zero respect throwing the ball. You can't expect your run game to have much room to give you a positive down/distance. The run game needs help too.

And at the very least... Mitch could put up a fighting chance. Never ending list of QB's who did better than Mitch last year with a poor run game.

You have to have balance

Depends on what you mean by "balance". 60/40 is about right pass-to-run wise from an analytic standpoint (a lot of data says pass more than that even - but it's never really been tried consistently). You absolutely should be throwing more than running in competitive game-script scenarios. It's proven to be the most effective manner of moving the ball. KC was 61-39 and NO was 60-40. We were 61-39 (11th in the NFL). KC/NO are both WCO's - which is what we run. That's why I use them as an example.

Running only works if you can threaten the defense through the air and open up the box. If you can't threaten a team through the air in 2020. You are F-U-C-K fucked. You start hitting some of those throws 20+ yards downfield that Mitch missed constantly and you bet your ass the running game works better. You don't have to be Patrick Mahomes/KC out there. However, you do have to make the opposition respect your ability to drop back.

Without that... I don't care who is calling your plays.

Mitch stunk. And he would have stunk whether it was Don Coryell, Bill Walsh or Matt Nagy. Stink is stink. Missed throws are missed throws. Missed reads are missed reads.

I agree if Mitch wins the job that we should turn him loose running. At this point, there's nothing to lose with him and it was his best asset. There, we're on the same page.

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richig07 said:

There have been certain people saying that Foles is absolutely the starter. On the flip side - other Mitch faithful (not really here as we only have one) who have tried to claim that "Foles is an insurance policy/contingency plan to Mitch".

That being said Nagy said today that "Whenever we get out there Mitch will be the first one to get in the huddle with the 1's". Which leads me to believe he will role with the ones in pre-season. Which leads me to believe that this is Mitch's job to lose... and I don't like that. If Mitch outright beats Foles for the job? Fine. However, I don't want him starting a leg up. He hasn't earned that over Foles.

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