Ricky Roma
The Catch
Hey ricky, you got your hat handed to you. You should quit while you can.....
Kindly show me how this happened?
Hey ricky, you got your hat handed to you. You should quit while you can.....
Was that when Archie was playing for NO?
So again a QB guides a team all year, in Brady's case a lot more and all those games mean nothing? LMAO and that makes no sense to you?
We all know Marino, Fouts, Tarkenton etc are better than Eli or Dilfer. But you can't negate the fact they failed in big games, or their D failed. The Ring itself is an indicator of what they did the whole year. I can't make that any clearer, of you choose to remain obtuse that is on you.
OK now I'm following.No it was the 2006 playoffs when the Colts went on the road against that top notch Ravens defense. Also Manning winning in Baltimore in the prime Harbaugh/Flacco/Lewis years. He's never actually lost to Baltimore but one time and that was in the 2012 playoffs. Had Denver though not went into Baltimore and shut down the Ravens like they did, they would have been in the SB in 2012. Baltimore had game film.
Both guy's are absolute studs ... Brady isn't done yet either, that's the crazy part, he hasn't really even shown any signs of slowing down yet..
Manning started standing up to Brady and then the injury happened. Denver with a prime Manning was better than NE without 16-0/Moss and Revis. The ONLY times NE had actual better seasons than Manning after the 2005
turning point was 2007(16-0), 2010 (but only record-wise I don't think they were better they won a close home game), and 2014 (Revis).
If we look at Manning's playoff losses, two of the teams that beat him went on to stomp Brady the next round.
2005-Steelers, Steelers won SB and routed the team that beat NE.
2007-Chargers, they just have had his number then. And Brady has had theirs.
2008-Chargers again, Brady was hurt.
2010-Jets and on a fg. They stomp NE.
2012-Ravens in a comeback and OT win. They stomp NE
2013-Indy, a team who is actually elite when healthy and they already were written off against NE because of 0-3 record with Luck. Manning was also hurt and Denver's defense had not gelled yet. Also, Indy had that film.
Only the Chargers and Colts lost to NE and there are reasons there.
Brady owned Manning early on but ultimately Brady's imaturity played into the more mature and naturally commanding Manning's hands. Brady actually started growing up after the 2012 playoffs and held his own at home, but he never beat Manning on the road the rest of the way.
Wow a lot to digest in this one.
You kind of jumped all over the place focusing on just certain areas
I don't know where to begin?
All that should really matter is H2H.
Playoffs Brady was 2-1 against PM during his Indy stint.
TB was 0-2 when PM was in Denver. Credit the D not PM.
Regular season TB was 8-4 against PM and the Colts and 3-2 against PM and Denver.
As far as curb stomping an opponent that is of no relevance. Teams match up and game plan totally differently against other teams.
Is it even worth arguing with a Brady fan? Brady's 8-4 Colts record includes games before 2005. Indy turned the corner in 2005 and PM and the Colts were 4-2. Where is Brady's other 6 wins? Oh that's right, four of them were 2003 and 2004. The other two were in Brady's first season when he and Manning were division rivals. Again, six of Brady's eight wins against the Colts came before Indianapolis started to become a more formidable opponent to NE in terms of seeding. When Indy caught up, Manning was mostly winning. That is a nondisputable fact.
It doesn't matter after that. Brady was 3-2 against Denver Manning, but all three of Brady's wins were at home. You want to talk about Denver defense? NE's defense was pretty good too early on. Also, since 2004 playoffs Manning's two Denver wins give him a 6-5 record against Brady overall. That's not cherry picking. That is simply how it was. 2005 was a transition year. Manning had six higher seeds to Brady's three from that point forward.
Now I believe Manning was a better individual QB. As I said earlier, Brady has the rings, overall head to head record, and the AFC titles.
WhatBob Avellini > Tom Brady
Is it even worth arguing with a Brady fan?
As I said earlier, Brady has the rings, overall head to head record, and the AFC titles.
Wait! There's more!
These are just a few Superbowl records. Regular season too many to list.....
Most wins (6)
Most games played (9)
Most passing touchdowns, career (18)
Most passing yards, career (2,838)
Most passing yards, game (505)
Oldest quarterback (41)
Most 300-yard passing games (4)
Most passes without an interception, game (48)
Most pass completions, career (256)
Most passes competed, game (43)
Is it even worth arguing with a Brady fan? Brady's 8-4 Colts record includes games before 2005. Indy turned the corner in 2005 and PM and the Colts were 4-2. Where is Brady's other 6 wins? Oh that's right, four of them were 2003 and 2004. The other two were in Brady's first season when he and Manning were division rivals. Again, six of Brady's eight wins against the Colts came before Indianapolis started to become a more formidable opponent to NE in terms of seeding. When Indy caught up, Manning was mostly winning. That is a nondisputable fact.
It doesn't matter after that. Brady was 3-2 against Denver Manning, but all three of Brady's wins were at home. You want to talk about Denver defense? NE's defense was pretty good too early on. Also, since 2004 playoffs Manning's two Denver wins give him a 6-5 record against Brady overall. That's not cherry picking. That is simply how it was. 2005 was a transition year. Manning had six higher seeds to Brady's three from that point forward.
Now I believe Manning was a better individual QB. As I said earlier, Brady has the rings, overall head to head record, and the AFC titles.
Like I was getting at already ITT, you're right, they're not worth arguing with. They're so dense that they can't consider the fact that both guys played in drastically different situations. How likely would it be that 7th round Brady would have been as successful being drafted by that Colts team in the late 90's, and what would Peyton have looked liked being drafted by Belichick and playing under him his entire career? How we figure that is a better means of determining which one was the better pure QB talent than just going off of the rings argument.
We'd have to make the assumption Peyton wouldn't pull an Archie/Eli draft day trade demand.
You think Peyton would have whined his way out of being drafted by New England as they were in 2000, as the heir apparent to Drew Bledsoe? I mean, if he didn't whine his way out of going to that awful Indianapolis team that had next to nothing going for them when they drafted him in 1998, then I doubt he'd have thrown a fit about being picked up by that 2000 New England team either.
Like I said, this debate is stupid, and has been for a long time. If you're going to keep harping on about a subject that was worn out on internet message boards a decade ago in 2009, then at least formulate plausible arguments and gripes. Lastly, I'm clearly not favoring Peyton in your little debate, yet you throw out troll comments as if I'm some hardcore Colts and Peyton fan or something. Get a grip, kid.