POLL Top 10 poll: #23 player ever

[calsnowskier]

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9)
2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11)
3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17)
4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8)
5) Hank Aaron (defeated Ty Cobb 17-16)
6) Ty Cobb (defeated Lou Gehrig 24-9)
7) Lou Gehrig (defeated Walter Johnson 19-10)
8) Mickey Mantle (defeated Walter Johnson 17-12)
9) Walter Johnson (defeated Stan Musial and Rogers Hornsby 18-7-3)
10) Stan Musial (defeated Rogers Hornsby 15-10)
11) Rogers Hornsby (defeated H. Wagner, R. Henderson, M. Schmidt and R. Clemens 15-4-3-2-1)
12) Honus Wagner (defeated Roger Clemens 19-8)
13) Mike Schmidt (defeated Roger Clemens 16-12)
14) Rickey Henderson (defeated Roger Clemens 17-13)
15) Roger Clemens (defeated Ken Griffey Jr 16-14)
16) Randy Johnson (defeated Tris Speaker 16-11)
17) Tris Speaker (defeated Greg Maddux 18-12)
18) Greg Maddux (defeated Albert Pujols 17-9)
19) Joe DiMaggio (defeated Albert Pujols 17-13)
20) Albert Pujols (defeated Pedro Martinez 16-14)
21) Pedro Martinez (defeated Jimmie Foxx 20-10)
22) Jimmie Foxx (defeated Cy Young, Lefty Grove and Christy Mathewson 16-12-2-1)

Who is the #23 player ever? This poll will close Saturday AM.

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[calsnowskier]

The bats are getting a bit thin.

 

[msgkings322]

Now I have to do some thinking. I always vote one pitcher (Grove now), and Ohtani, and a hitter. With Foxx off the board I’m deciding between a few hitters. What do you guys think?

Robinson and ARod jump out at me, is it time to start on Griffey? Time to start stumping for Berra or Bench? Trout? Lajoie? Ripken?

 

[msgkings322]

The bats are getting a bit thin.

Especially if you remove ARod, just posted about this.

Grove feels like he will land at 23

 

[calsnowskier]

Now I have to do some thinking. I always vote one pitcher (Grove now), and Ohtani, and a hitter. With Foxx off the board I’m deciding between a few hitters. What do you guys think?

Robinson and ARod jump out at me, is it time to start on Griffey? Time to start stumping for Berra or Bench? Trout? Lajoie? Ripken?

Trout and Robinson and Ott are all above Griffey, imho.

if you decide to include ARod, you are WAY late to that party.

 

[LHG]

Now I have to do some thinking. I always vote one pitcher (Grove now), and Ohtani, and a hitter. With Foxx off the board I’m deciding between a few hitters. What do you guys think?

Robinson and ARod jump out at me, is it time to start on Griffey? Time to start stumping for Berra or Bench? Trout? Lajoie? Ripken?

I'm going with Trout (of course) but I think Eddie Collins, Alex Rodriguez, Mel Ott, Nap Lajoie and Frank Robinson are all good votes at this point.

 

[calsnowskier]

Especially if you remove ARod, just posted about this.

Grove feels like he will land at 23

I am not certain he has the legs to beat CY. One of the most overrated pitchers of all time (he is still an absolute stud, don’t get me wrong) vs one of the most underrated pitchers of all time.

 

[msgkings322]

Trout and Robinson and Ott are all above Griffey, imho.

if you decide to include ARod, you are WAY late to that party.

Ott too, thank you

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm going with Trout (of course) but I think Eddie Collins, Alex Rodriguez, Mel Ott, Nap Lajoie and Frank Robinson are all good votes at this point.

Morgan still belongs before Collins and Lajoie, imho.

 

[LHG]

Updated for #21:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

Updated for #22:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)
22) Jimmie Foxx (1925-1945)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1924 - 6
1925-1927 - 7
1928 - 6
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 4
1938 - 4
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1945 - 4
1946-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

 

[LHG]

Morgan still belongs before Collins and Lajoie, imho.

How so?

 

[msgkings322]

I am not certain he has the legs to beat CY. One of the most overrated pitchers of all time (he is still an absolute stud, don’t get me wrong) vs one of the most underrated pitchers of all time.

The name recognition votes will probably carry CY you’re right. But it’s all valid and interesting to me

 

[msgkings322]

Morgan still belongs before Collins and Lajoie, imho.

And when is it time to give the catchers a positional boost? Their hitting numbers will not compare to even lesser tier OFs but does being elite at defense at the most important position count enough? Does best ever catcher mean something? All those rings for Berra?

 

[calsnowskier]

The name recognition votes will probably carry CY you’re right. But it’s all valid and interesting to me

And Cy over Lefty woukd not be a travesty. Afterall, IP and career wins are probably the most important stats for SPs.

 

[calsnowskier]

And when is it time to give the catchers a positional boost? Their hitting numbers will not compare to even lesser tier OFs but does being elite at defense at the most important position count enough? Does best ever catcher mean something? All those rings for Berra?

I am a Bench guy, but I can get behind Berra if that is where the board is at.

But I think it is WAY late for catchers. But when I look at the players on the board, I can’t complain too much. Who should be removed in favor of Bench/Berra?

 

[Clayton]

The bats are getting a bit thin.

Only if you're ignoring ARod

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I have Ott, Robinson and Morgan in the same grouping


AROD if it wasnt for the stigma would easily be a top 15... probably top 10...

after the Ott, Morgan, Robinson tier... thats the Trout, Griffey tier...

 

[steveringo]

Let's not forget Yaz...

96.5 WAR - 130 OPS+ - 452 HR - 1,844 RBI - MVP - Gold Gloves....


Maybe not Rodriguez or Robinson, but certainly better that a lot of the others....

 

[calsnowskier]

Let's not forget Yaz...

96.5 WAR - 130 OPS+ - 452 HR - 1,844 RBI - MVP - Gold Gloves....


Maybe not Rodriguez or Robinson, but certainly better that a lot of the others....

He is almost in discussion territory. He MAY be top 30, imho.

Quite a few guys need to be added before him, though.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Let's not forget Yaz...

96.5 WAR - 130 OPS+ - 452 HR - 1,844 RBI - MVP - Gold Gloves....


Maybe not Rodriguez or Robinson, but certainly better that a lot of the others....

yaz is in the trout, griffey tier...

also an interesting one though... he had that ONE season of SPECIAL... so maybe boost him to the Ott, Robinson, Morgan tier...