NFL Quarterback Scramble

[Draft Crazy]

Just for the sake of discussion - wouldn't Paton still feign interest in the top QBs even if he didn't have a primary interest in drafting a QB? To act like he isn't interesting in the top 4 QB while he picks in the 9 spot - would be GM malpractice.

Bingo- The Broncos are obviously going to entertain and have interest in these QB’s that is no secret. They wouldn’t be doing their job if they weren’t. They attended a Trey Lance workout and will do the same with Wilson Fields and Jones.

 

[cdumler7]

Just for the sake of discussion - wouldn't Paton still feign interest in the top QBs even if he didn't have a primary interest in drafting a QB? To act like he isn't interesting in the top 4 QB while he picks in the 9 spot - would be GM malpractice.

I can agree to a point with this. I would also say though Paton hasn't exactly gave Lock a ringing endorsement this offseason. He has said some nice things at times, but it is always followed by a "We will see" or "He has to get more consistent" kind of thing. I guess we will find out in a month where the Broncos land in this discussion, but I do think there is a decent chance we see the Broncos try to trade up and get a QB.

One thing that can't be disputed is the Broncos have been looking hard at all options for the QB position and have even been willing to trade the #9 pick and more to get someone they believe is an upgrade. I've always been big on actions speak louder than words and that right there speaks big time of how the team feels about Lock.

 

[Mingo]

I can agree to a point with this. I would also say though Paton hasn't exactly gave Lock a ringing endorsement this offseason. He has said some nice things at times, but it is always followed by a "We will see" or "He has to get more consistent" kind of thing. I guess we will find out in a month where the Broncos land in this discussion, but I do think there is a decent chance we see the Broncos try to trade up and get a QB.

One thing that can't be disputed is the Broncos have been looking hard at all options for the QB position and have even been willing to trade the #9 pick and more to get someone they believe is an upgrade. I've always been big on actions speak louder than words and that right there speaks big time of how the team feels about Lock.

Of course they are looking hard at the QB choices - for one thing - you never know which of these guys pops up three years from now because their drafting team doesn't like them anymore.

No - I don't give Lock a ringing endorsement either - how would that help him? I will note Shelby Harris and WR Patrick have both said very supportive things about Lock in recent weeks. I'd kick his butt off the team if his teammates were negative about him, but they aren't.

 

[fightinredantz]

I can agree to a point with this. I would also say though Paton hasn't exactly gave Lock a ringing endorsement this offseason. He has said some nice things at times, but it is always followed by a "We will see" or "He has to get more consistent" kind of thing. I guess we will find out in a month where the Broncos land in this discussion, but I do think there is a decent chance we see the Broncos try to trade up and get a QB.

One thing that can't be disputed is the Broncos have been looking hard at all options for the QB position and have even been willing to trade the #9 pick and more to get someone they believe is an upgrade. I've always been big on actions speak louder than words and that right there speaks big time of how the team feels about Lock.

If I where to guess he has been doing the same at pretty much every position, but the QB position is the one that gets the publicity. Paton also said we have a QB. I will say if Paton or Fangio came out and said that Lock was our future at QB I would have to question their judgement.

 

[CEH]

Paton said QB at #9 is in play. He should be at Alabama pro day today though they have 2 pro days scheduled.

 

[Mingo]

There are 350 million people in the United States and every 20 years the US produces 5-6 good QBs. When I listen to my draft analyst friends they believe every year - there are 4-5 QBs that will be sure fire top NFL QBs. Let me do the math - yeah that's right that's 5 hits out of 100 drafted QBs.

 

[cdumler7]

There are 350 million people in the United States and every 20 years the US produces 5-6 good QBs. When I listen to my draft analyst friends they believe every year - there are 4-5 QBs that will be sure fire top NFL QBs. Let me do the math - yeah that's right that's 5 hits out of 100 drafted QBs.

I would argue there have been more than 5-6 good QB's. Just in the last 20 years you have Tom Brady, Vick, Brees, Palmer (before injury), Manning (he did win a couple of Super Bowls), Rivers, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannahill, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Burrow before injury, and Justin Herbert

All of those guys have shown great QB play with some still just a bit to prove.

 

[Mingo]

I would argue there have been more than 5-6 good QB's. Just in the last 20 years you have Tom Brady, Vick, Brees, Palmer (before injury), Manning (he did win a couple of Super Bowls), Rivers, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannahill, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Burrow before injury, and Justin Herbert

All of those guys have shown great QB play with some still just a bit to prove.

I would argue - there are a lot of average QBs in this list - Derek Carr??? Really? Tannahill?? Wentz??? and more.

Rodgers, Brady - Brees - Mahomes, Maybe Big Ben - are top QBs in a category not like the others you names. Close to this group might be Luck and Wilson.

 

[cdumler7]

I would argue - there are a lot of average QBs in this list - Derek Carr??? Really? Tannahill?? Wentz??? and more.

All 3 of those guys have been in the top-5 of MVP voting at different times in their career. Wentz got hurt and hasn't quite been the same since. I would hold out complete judgment until we see what he does in Indy. Tannehill was a top-10 QB the past two years in a row. I guess my definition of good is someone who has been top-10 at one point or another and has had at least a little consistency in that direction. Derek Carr might be a stretch in that conversation but he has had two years where his numbers would probably be counted among the top-10 in the league. Even if you remove those 3 the list is still longer than 5-6.

You have MVP's in Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Newton, Mahomes, Jackson on that list so there are 7. Wilson is a top-3 QB in the league right now, Watson before all of these off the field issues was top-5 the last few years. You have Super Bowl MVP's on this list that have also put up huge numbers that should get them into the HOF like Manning and Big Ben. So yes again I will say there have been more than just 5-6 drafted over the last few years. I would also point out that most of the guys on this list are 1st round pick QB's.

 

[Mingo]

All 3 of those guys have been in the top-5 of MVP voting at different times in their career. Wentz got hurt and hasn't quite been the same since. I would hold out complete judgment until we see what he does in Indy. Tannehill was a top-10 QB the past two years in a row. I guess my definition of good is someone who has been top-10 at one point or another and has had at least a little consistency in that direction. Derek Carr might be a stretch in that conversation but he has had two years where his numbers would probably be counted among the top-10 in the league. Even if you remove those 3 the list is still longer than 5-6.

You have MVP's in Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Newton, Mahomes, Jackson on that list so there are 7. Wilson is a top-3 QB in the league right now, Watson before all of these off the field issues was top-5 the last few years. You have Super Bowl MVP's on this list that have also put up huge numbers that should get them into the HOF like Manning and Big Ben. So yes again I will say there have been more than just 5-6 drafted over the last few years. I would also point out that most of the guys on this list are 1st round pick QB's.

I Love debating you Carl, but you can be wrong with more words than anyone I know.

When your argument is that - somehow - letting Lock have another year is going to make the Broncos over pay him for being average - they you name a bunch of average QBs as great - that's not credible.

If Jeudy - Hammler and Fant make catches last year - rather than drops - Lock would have looked pretty darn good in the stats department.

I will point out that Rodgers and Mahomes do not have classic QB mechanics either - often throwing off balance and the back foot. Yet - they are in my unquestioned group of top QBs.

 

[cdumler7]

I Love debating you Carl, but you can be wrong with more words than anyone I know.

When your argument is that - somehow - letting Lock have another year is going to make the Broncos over pay him for being average - they you name a bunch of average QBs as great - that's not credible.

If Jeudy - Hammler and Fant make catches last year - rather than drops - Lock would have looked pretty darn good in the stats department.

I will point out that Rodgers and Mahomes do not have classic QB mechanics either - often throwing off balance and the back foot. Yet - they are in my unquestioned group of top QBs.

Sorry I type a lot for a living between the church and that of sports content so writing a lot of information is not hard. I guess how is 7 of those players being MVP's of the league be me listing average QB's? They were the best of the best. I feel comfortable saying that 8 of the players I listed will end up in the HOF. Maybe not first ballot but will get in. Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Big Ben, and Wilson are all guys I think will get in. A couple of others will be borderline.

Obviously our standard for what is a good QB is different.

 

[Mingo]

Sorry I type a lot for a living between the church and that of sports content so writing a lot of information is not hard. I guess how is 7 of those players being MVP's of the league be me listing average QB's? They were the best of the best. I feel comfortable saying that 8 of the players I listed will end up in the HOF. Maybe not first ballot but will get in. Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Big Ben, and Wilson are all guys I think will get in. A couple of others will be borderline.

Obviously our standard for what is a good QB is different.

Okay - here I agree with you - so every 20 years 8 guys. Those are not the kind of odds where you go and bet the mortgage in the draft.

You are a good debater in these forums - you use plenty of facts and I respect your takes - stylistically I tend to be a little flippant, but when you were not posting here for a few months - I missed you a lot.

We shall see what Paton is going to do. I don't see a reason to put these team back together they way Paton has - to put it into a position to challenge for the playoffs - then throw in a top draft choice QB to split the reps with Lock and potentially split the team allegiances.

I do agree with your argument that at least a top draft pick in round 1 gives you 5 years of control - if you get lucky with the pick.

 

[LGM]

Paton said QB at #9 is in play. He should be at Alabama pro day today though they have 2 pro days scheduled.

What qb does Bama have that's worth the number 9 pick? Uggh.

 

[PumpFake]

Bingo- The Broncos are obviously going to entertain and have interest in these QB’s that is no secret. They wouldn’t be doing their job if they weren’t. They attended a Trey Lance workout and will do the same with Wilson Fields and Jones.

POTM

 

[CEH]

What qb does Bama have that's worth the number 9 pick? Uggh.

Joe Namath.

Jones was unimpressive today. Guys running half speed because of his arm strength.

 

[cdumler7]

Okay - here I agree with you - so every 20 years 8 guys. Those are not the kind of odds where you go and bet the mortgage in the draft.

You are a good debater in these forums - you use plenty of facts and I respect your takes - stylistically I tend to be a little flippant, but when you were not posting here for a few months - I missed you a lot.

We shall see what Paton is going to do. I don't see a reason to put these team back together they way Paton has - to put it into a position to challenge for the playoffs - then throw in a top draft choice QB to split the reps with Lock and potentially split the team allegiances.

I do agree with your argument that at least a top draft pick in round 1 gives you 5 years of control - if you get lucky with the pick.

My guess is if the Broncos use a 1st round pick on a QB that Lock will be traded for a midround pick. Teams don't want allegiance divided. Look at the Jags trying to trade Minshew and the Jets trying to trade Darnold. You make things easier on the locker room by making that trade. Plus then like you said you don't want them splitting carries. You get a veteran to back up the rookie that doesn't need a ton of reps to be ready for the season and just hope that your rookie in a microwaved environment can make it work. We've seen in today's NFL a lot of rookies come in and perform at a high level from the get go. Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow before he got hurt, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and so on.

So you hope that you pick a guy that can at least come in and not destroy your season while they learn the offense. Nice thing for any rookie coming in is every player has been in the building for at least a year so they can help him out. Throw in the nice thing with this class is all of the top-4 guys do have the ability to run if they struggle to get through reads early on.

 

[cdumler7]

Also @Mingo it is good to be back. I've thought about it a hundred times of why am I not back posting on the boards. Some of my favorite Bronco conversations have happened in this place. You guys are a lot more sane than the people on facebook or twitter that is for sure.

 

[fightinredantz]

My guess is if the Broncos use a 1st round pick on a QB that Lock will be traded for a midround pick. Teams don't want allegiance divided. Look at the Jags trying to trade Minshew and the Jets trying to trade Darnold. You make things easier on the locker room by making that trade. Plus then like you said you don't want them splitting carries. You get a veteran to back up the rookie that doesn't need a ton of reps to be ready for the season and just hope that your rookie in a microwaved environment can make it work. We've seen in today's NFL a lot of rookies come in and perform at a high level from the get go. Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow before he got hurt, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and so on.

So you hope that you pick a guy that can at least come in and not destroy your season while they learn the offense. Nice thing for any rookie coming in is every player has been in the building for at least a year so they can help him out. Throw in the nice thing with this class is all of the top-4 guys do have the ability to run if they struggle to get through reads early on.

So are you throwing out the playoff edict for Fangio? What do you need to see to give Fangio another contract?

This QB decision is difficult at best. You trade Lock and he becomes a top 10 QB while the rookie draft flames out the Broncos look like a idiot. If they trade Lock and he flames out while the drafted rookie excels they are brilliant. It is a roll of the dice either way. I am no QB whisper but I think Lock is as good or better then all the QBs in this stat but Lawerence and Wilson.

I am glad I don’t have to stake my career on a roll of the dice like drafting a QB in the NFL draft.

 

[Duffman]

Also @Mingo it is good to be back. I've thought about it a hundred times of why am I not back posting on the boards. Some of my favorite Bronco conversations have happened in this place. You guys are a lot more sane than the people on facebook or twitter that is for sure.

Any chance we trade for Darnold or Minshew, or is it Lock or Rookie right now?

 

[fightinredantz]

Any chance we trade for Darnold or Minshew, or is it Lock or Rookie right now?

I think if we roll with Lock those become a possibility, if we trade up for a rookie, it is probably rookie or bust. Maybe we sign CJ Beathard. If we where serious about a rookie it seems we would have brought in a stop gap vet so the rookie had to earn his playing time. Based on the moves made so far points to completion and not forcing guys into starting roles. If we trade up for a rookie, do you trade another pick for Darnold or Minshew?