The Seattle Seahawks have traded for Jamaal Adams

[NWPATSFAN]

Hey retard, no it's not proper grammar when you quote half the sentence. Maybe a comma is needed? As in:

"But since you decided to whip this gem out, I have to do it."

See, most people here don't have perfect grammar, me included. But you.....well you got some special stuff going on.



This is a great one. First, you spell "argument" wrong. Then you state that a video claimed that Adams is a top 5 player, which is a misquote.

Then you misuse "it's". That's a contraction. You meant "its".

Then on top of that you misspell "entirety".

These are not typos or missing a comma. These are fourth grade level mistakes based on not having a firm grasp on the English language. Couple that with "-esk" and yeah sorry I have to doubt that you know what "tongue in cheek" actually means.

Oh by the way "it is" "It's like flipping through a hundred tv channels".

Just go slap yourself.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Oh by the way "it is" "It's like flipping through a hundred tv channels".

Just go slap yourself.

No, the other one.

"in it's intirety" should be "in its entirety". I even highlighted it to make it clear which "it's" I was talking about.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

No, the other one.

"in it's intirety" should be "in its entirety". I even highlighted it to make it clear which "it's" I was talking about.

Got to love hypocrites. Don't ever change.

 

[fastforward]

A quick recap of Seahawks opininions:

1) It's ok to overpay for Adams because the Seahawks would have pissed away the value of the picks anyway.

2) It's ok to overpay for a SS because it allows the Seahawks to utilise a sub-optimal SS-dependent defensive scheme.

3) It's ok to overpay for a SS because it will scare divisional fans.

4) It's ok to overpay for Adams because although Seahawks fans didn't think he was a top 10 player before, or worth 2 X 1st round picks, they have a highlight video...and whilst that video DIDN'T convince Seahawks fans, it might somehow convince non-Seahawks fans, (who were even more sceptical).

 

[seattlefan75]

The only argument from people against the trade is that he is a safety. Well if safeties are worthless then you have to say players like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were overrated. Unless you believe that there is no debating.

Like I said and every single person has refused to argue with me is that the 2021 1st and 3rd round pick is worthless because there will be no college football season so good luck evaluating players from 2019 tape and drafting prospects that haven't played football in 2 years.

If things get back to normal by 2022 yes not having that 1st round pick will suck but I would take a 24 year old 2x All Pro safety and pay him at 15 mill person season than drafting some nobody in the late 1st round with no scouting background.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The only argument from people against the trade is that he is a safety. Well if safeties are worthless then you have to say players like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were overrated. Unless you believe that there is no debating.

Like I said and every single person has refused to argue with me is that the 2021 1st and 3rd round pick is worthless because there will be no college football season so good luck evaluating players from 2019 tape and drafting prospects that haven't played football in 2 years.

If things get back to normal by 2022 yes not having that 1st round pick will suck but I would take a 24 year old 2x All Pro safety and pay him at 15 mill person season than drafting some nobody in the late 1st round with no scouting background.

Man it has to be something in the PNW water.

Of course Adams being a safety is the argument. Id he were a 24 y/o All Pro QB, DE, CB, RB, WR, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I haven't refused to argue this nonsense. Just to pacify you and the rest of the 12s trying to use this argument let me ask you a question. What if the NYJ trade those two picks for more picks in 2022? We've already argued how much tape teams have on these kids. Especially those going high in the draft. Your logic is flawed.

So you're saying there won't be a NCAA football season in 2020 and 2021? Is that what your basing this logic on?

 

[flyerhawk]

A quick recap of Seahawks opininions:

1) It's ok to overpay for Adams because the Seahawks would have pissed away the value of the picks anyway.

2) It's ok to overpay for a SS because it allows the Seahawks to utilise a sub-optimal SS-dependent defensive scheme.

3) It's ok to overpay for a SS because it will scare divisional fans.

4) It's ok to overpay for Adams because although Seahawks fans didn't think he was a top 10 player before, or worth 2 X 1st round picks, they have a highlight video...and whilst that video DIDN'T convince Seahawks fans, it might somehow convince non-Seahawks fans, (who were even more sceptical).

Well none of this actually reflects anything any Seahawks fans have said. But good job with the creative writing.

What I have said, and several others have said largely the same thing, is that if Jamal Adams remains a perennial All-Pro for the next 4-6 years with the Seahawks then this was a great trade for them. If he regresses in the new system or leaves when his contract is up or becomes a cancer in the locker room then this was a bad trade. It's that simple.

There is a reason why 24 year old All-Pro players are never traded away.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Big 12 approves 9+1 schedule model for football

 

[seattlefan75]

Man it has to be something in the PNW water.

Of course Adams being a safety is the argument. Id he were a 24 y/o All Pro QB, DE, CB, RB, WR, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I haven't refused to argue this nonsense. Just to pacify you and the rest of the 12s trying to use this argument let me ask you a question. What if the NYJ trade those two picks for more picks in 2022? We've already argued how much tape teams have on these kids. Especially those going high in the draft. Your logic is flawed.

So you're saying there won't be a NCAA football season in 2020 and 2021? Is that what your basing this logic on?

1. We wouldnt have that conversation because there is no All Pro QB that will ever be available on the market for trade that is like saying Pat Mahomes, or Lamar Jackson would be available and it would take way more than 2 1st round picks to make that trade happen. The same would be said for the rest of those positions. Everybody wants to bring up Khalil Mack but that investment worked out great for the Bears and the Seahawks 1st round picks have lower value than what the Bears gave up because we aren't going 8-8.

2. You cant make that argument "well what if the Jets trade all the 2021 draft picks for more 2022 draft picks" because I can make up an scenario of a what if that wouldn't go in the Jets favor. I cant believe you honestly think that going into the 2021 draft with 2019 game tape is all you need and there wont be any issues. Trevor Lawrence and JaMarre Chase are easy ones but everything else especially at the end of the 1st round will be harder to hit.

 

[seattlefan75]

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Big 12 approves 9+1 schedule model for football

I will challenge this by saying unless there is a bubble format like the NBA (which I don't believe they can legally do with student athletes) I highly doubt they will be able to finish the season. Looking at the MLB about 2 weeks into their season already they have two clubs in the Marlins and Cardinals that devastated their clubhouse with the virus and the commissioner has talked about cancelling the season. Now you are talking about a college football team that has 70 plus people easy with players, coaches and trainers.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

1. We wouldnt have that conversation because there is no All Pro QB that will ever be available on the market for trade that is like saying Pat Mahomes, or Lamar Jackson would be available and it would take way more than 2 1st round picks to make that trade happen. The same would be said for the rest of those positions. Everybody wants to bring up Khalil Mack but that investment worked out great for the Bears and the Seahawks 1st round picks have lower value than what the Bears gave up because we aren't going 8-8.

2. You cant make that argument "well what if the Jets trade all the 2021 draft picks for more 2022 draft picks" because I can make up an scenario of a what if that wouldn't go in the Jets favor. I cant believe you honestly think that going into the 2021 draft with 2019 game tape is all you need and there wont be any issues. Trevor Lawrence and JaMarre Chase are easy ones but everything else especially at the end of the 1st round will be harder to hit.

Did you not see the link I just posted?

Every draft is a crap shoot. To say that Lawrence and Chase are the only two relatively safe picks is asSinine. I already posted a list of players that will be no brainers. Again the majority of legit 1st round players have been scouted for years. There will be future All Pros and HOFrs come out of this class, just like any other class.

Oh and if you haven't realized your post is all about what ifs.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I will challenge this by saying unless there is a bubble format like the NBA (which I don't believe they can legally do with student athletes) I highly doubt they will be able to finish the season. Looking at the MLB about 2 weeks into their season already they have two clubs in the Marlins and Cardinals that devastated their clubhouse with the virus and the commissioner has talked about cancelling the season. Now you are talking about a college football team that has 70 plus people easy with players, coaches and trainers.

So in summary. You were wrong. There won't be a two year hiatus. The value of two first round picks along with a third will carry the same value that they've carried every other year.

 

[flyerhawk]

So in summary. You were wrong. There won't be a two year hiatus. The value of two first round picks along with a third will carry the same value that they've carried every other year.

OK. Just to be clear. You believe that even if there is no college football season, the relative value of draft picks for the 2021 draft will be no different than in other seasons? Teams will be just as confident of their picks next year as they are in most other years and that we will see essentially the same success distribution path of draft picks as in every other draft?

A simple yes or no will suffice here.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

OK. Just to be clear. You believe that even if there is no college football season, the relative value of draft picks for the 2021 draft will be no different than in other seasons? Teams will be just as confident of their picks next year as they are in most other years and that we will see essentially the same success distribution path of draft picks as in every other draft?

A simple yes or no will suffice here.

For those top end players I've already listed, YES. 100%.

Did you read the link?

If there is no season, no one has addressed what would've happened if one or more of the top kids got injured this year?

 

[flyerhawk]

Did you not see the link I just posted?

Every draft is a crap shoot. To say that Lawrence and Chase are the only two relatively safe picks is asSinine. I already posted a list of players that will be no brainers. Again the majority of legit 1st round players have been scouted for years. There will be future All Pros and HOFrs come out of this class, just like any other class.

Oh and if you haven't realized your post is all about what ifs.

It's like you've never followed mock drafts before...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/11/nfl-mock-draft-2020-tua-tagovailoa-chase-young-jerry-jeudy

Grant Delpit
AJ Espensa
Laviska Shenault
Jake Fromm
Kristian Fulton
Julian Okwara
Trey Adams
Trevon Diggs

All of these players, in fact about half the players that were in the 1st round of that Mock from September 2019, were not selected in the 1st round. Some were selected in the 2nd. Some were not even drafted.

Do those drafts picks have no value? Of course not. They are still bites at the apple and they will do their diligence and draft the best players they can. But it is absurd to suggest that another year of college football doesn't help scouts immensely in judging players.

 

[flyerhawk]

For those top end players I've already listed, YES. 100%.

Did you read the link?

We are all aware that the colleges are all planning to play some sort of season. However, unless things change dramatically, there is almost zero chance they will be able to play out a season.

If there is no season, no one has addressed what would've happened if one or more of the top kids got injured this year?

Uhhh, they would have been drafted later in the draft? Is this a trick question?

 

[seattlefan75]

So in summary. You were wrong. There won't be a two year hiatus. The value of two first round picks along with a third will carry the same value that they've carried every other year.

No they absolutely positively 100% do not. A 2021 draft pick selecting players based off a canceled season or a partial season does not carry the same exact weight as any of the previous drafts flyerhawk has it right if you look at any prospect list dated 1 year before the actual draft half the players and names are completely different.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It's like you've never followed mock drafts before...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/11/nfl-mock-draft-2020-tua-tagovailoa-chase-young-jerry-jeudy

Grant Delpit
AJ Espensa
Laviska Shenault
Jake Fromm
Kristian Fulton
Julian Okwara
Trey Adams
Trevon Diggs

All of these players, in fact about half the players that were in the 1st round of that Mock from September 2019, were not selected in the 1st round. Some were selected in the 2nd. Some were not even drafted.

Do those drafts picks have no value? Of course not. They are still bites at the apple and they will do their diligence and draft the best players they can. But it is absurd to suggest that another year of college football doesn't help scouts immensely in judging players.

Sure year in and year out players slip for multiple reasons. Sometimes it's an undisclosed injury. Sometimes it one team bluffing. Still others sometimes have a some kind of off the field issue rise. None of these are the direct result of that current season.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

We are all aware that the colleges are all planning to play some sort of season. However, unless things change dramatically, there is almost zero chance they will be able to play out a season.



Uhhh, they would have been drafted later in the draft? Is this a trick question?

So there will be some kind of season. Unlike what many on here were trying to say.

Not a trick question at all. If there is no season then those players will still get drafted high. If they got injured they won't. Again the 1st round picks have as much value as any year.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

No they absolutely positively 100% do not. A 2021 draft pick selecting players based off a canceled season or a partial season does not carry the same exact weight as any of the previous drafts flyerhawk has it right if you look at any prospect list dated 1 year before the actual draft half the players and names are completely different.

Because you say so?

I've already addressed Flyerhawks post.

The value of the pick remains the same. It's hit or miss. Otherwise guys like Brady and Wilson would've went much earlier.