2020 Offseason plan wish list

[duke1861]

I have been doing this since the ESPN board days with Goldy while fighting off Hitman and TexRich...LOL

Its GM time and you are calling the shots for the Skins.

What is your FA plan and mock draft. Be as detailed as you want (Gkekoa and SkinsDad always do a good job) or be as simple as you want. Its always interesting to see what is posted. Thanks!

 

[skinsdad62]

Give me time to articulate my thoughts and I will get back to you in a few days

it’s a good subject

 

[Stymietee]

The very first thing that I do is convincing the owner to change the name of this team!
Next, I'm announcing to the world that we have two quality QB's on this,team, one recovering from a massive injury the other has the job and it's his to lose.

Soon thereafter, I make it known that we are in a full rebuild and following that, Kerrigan and Williams will get dealt. Hopefully, I get pick #34 or #44 from the Colts for Kerrigan and a late 1st early second for Williams. I also make every attempt to gauge what's going on with the Lions, if they are in the QB market and I'm sure that they won't take Young, then perhaps we can deal. They would also have to show me that they won't then trade out of the second spot.

We go kind of heavy into free agency vying for youth and talent over aged vets and talent. I'm trusting my scouting department and my coaching staff to identify the best talent and fit. The coaches will be tasked to (to borrow a phrase) "coach 'em up."

Finally, the draft, with my now well stocked choices, I select Chase Young, a LT, corner, WR, linebacker and more of what I didn't do in free agency.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I soooo want to do one of these.
Its just so much with the combine, FA and possible trades and cuts that has me stumped

 

[duke1861]

Here we go!

Disclaimer: Many will probably disagree with this offseason plan and claim this is wasting money and unreasonable. My goal would be to build a competitive team while reinforcing key areas with high draft picks. This FA approach and mock draft would get us in contention while building a young core of players like Rivera wants.
I am not going into great detail like contract length and what not and have taken cap savings, draft positions and contract demands from various websites

Cuts:
Morgan Moses = 5 million in cap space
Alex Smith = 10 million cap space

Trades:
Trent Williams = 13 in cap space. Trade for a 2nd round pick
Ryan Kerrigan = 12 million in cap space. Trade for a 4th round pick.
Trade 2nd overall to Miami for 5th, 18th and 39th over all picks as rumored.
Total cap space for 2020: 103 million
Total draft picks: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4 (comp pick), 5, 7, 7

FA:
I would stay away from the high priced players who want absurd contracts and go for players who graded well in 2019, who are young and who have been healthy.

Nick Kwiatkoski = OLB. 26 yrs old (9 million a year contract). 4-5 year deal
Blake Martinez = MLB. 26 yrs old (10 million a year contract). 4-5 year deal
Jake Conklin = RT. 25 yrs old (14 million a year contract). 7 year deal
Jacob Hollister = TE. 26 years old (7 million a year contract). 6 year deal
Tre Boston = FS. 27 years old (6 million a year contract). 4 year deal
Kendall Fuller = CB. 25 years old (7 million a year contract). 7 year deal
Graham Glasgow = Guard. 27 years old (10 million a year contract). 5 year deal
Matt Moore = Back Up QB. 35 (5 million for a 1 year deal)
68 million in FA total with 35 million left in cap.

For the draft, I would attack the board with BPA for a position of need and toward the end, draft the BPA regarldess of position.

Draft:
1st: Jedrick Willis Jr- Bama = LT
1st: AJ Epenesa- Iowa = DE
2nd: Justin Jefferson - LSU= WR
2nd: Jeff Gladney- TCU = CB
3rd: Logan Stenberg- Kentucky = OG
4th: Adam Trautman- Dayton = TE
4th: JR Reid- GA = FS
4th: Keshawn Vaughn- Vandy = RB
5th: BPA
7th: BPA
7th: BPA

Starters for 2020:
QB: Haskins
RB: Guice
WR: McLaurin, Jefferson and Sims
TE: Hollister
OL: Willis Jr, Glasgow, Rouiller, Martin/Stenberg, Conklin

DL: Epensa, Payne, Allen, Sweat
LB: Kwiatkoski, Martinez, Holcomb
CB: Fuller, Dunbar, Moreau/Gladney
FS: Boston
SS: Collins

The team wins 9 games in 2020 and has talent and depth on both sides of the ball.

 

[skinsdad62]

1) decide how long this rebuild is going to be and work toward that plan

2) keep smith in charge of the draft

3) develop our young guys haskins , sweat , tmac, harmon sims , holcomb

4) settle the TW, sherf and flowers situation

5) be smart and frugal in FA focusing on retaining our key guys , only one major signing

6) work the draft , we should get 2 comp picks a 4th and a 6th

7) use the season to evaluate the roster

8) dont take short cuts

9) I D players who will change the culture here

 

[duke1861]

Skinsdad-

Everyone keeps saying "our key guys"? Who is that?
At this point, we have about 5 key guys and none of them are up for FA except Scherff and we both disagree on if he does or does not want to be here.

I would think that Payne, Collins, McLaurin, Way, Sweat and Sherff and Haskins are the "key guys". Flowers is in no way a key guy and he did not grade out well and was simply average last year. If he is viewed as a "key guy" that we must resign....there is really a reason why we are 3-13.

Regarding FA, we have to be aggressive. Not sure if you mean frugal as in smart with our money. We are in such a bad spot, we need to go heavy in free agency to field a decent football team. The fans have had it and our attendance was a disaster last year. We need to turn it around. The free agent dependancy will only be until we get back on our feet. It should be:

Phase One: Heavy free agent signings while developing players via the draft.
Phase Two: Moderate free agent signings while relying on draft picks and continuing to build through the draft.
Phase Three: Use free agents as depth and filling out very few holes while depending on your draft picks to be your core and strength and continue using the draft to build depth and finding starters.

With a 3-13 record, we are clearly in Phase One and unless we are sold on a 3-5 year plan, we must use free agency to build a team that can compete and win on the field. Rivera will get run out of town on a few years if we use free agency sparingly and rely mostly on the draft. We aren't there yet.

The plan I presented would be mostly Phase One obviously but the roster I assembled would compete for the NFC East and would win 9 games. It would be a solid plan.

 

[gkekoa]

Skinsdad-

Everyone keeps saying "our key guys"? Who is that?
At this point, we have about 5 key guys and none of them are up for FA except Scherff and we both disagree on if he does or does not want to be here.

I would think that Payne, Collins, McLaurin, Way, Sweat and Sherff and Haskins are the "key guys". Flowers is in no way a key guy and he did not grade out well and was simply average last year. If he is viewed as a "key guy" that we must resign....there is really a reason why we are 3-13.

Regarding FA, we have to be aggressive. Not sure if you mean frugal as in smart with our money. We are in such a bad spot, we need to go heavy in free agency to field a decent football team. The fans have had it and our attendance was a disaster last year. We need to turn it around. The free agent dependancy will only be until we get back on our feet. It should be:

Phase One: Heavy free agent signings while developing players via the draft.
Phase Two: Moderate free agent signings while relying on draft picks and continuing to build through the draft.
Phase Three: Use free agents as depth and filling out very few holes while depending on your draft picks to be your core and strength and continue using the draft to build depth and finding starters.

With a 3-13 record, we are clearly in Phase One and unless we are sold on a 3-5 year plan, we must use free agency to build a team that can compete and win on the field. Rivera will get run out of town on a few years if we use free agency sparingly and rely mostly on the draft. We aren't there yet.

The plan I presented would be mostly Phase One obviously but the roster I assembled would compete for the NFC East and would win 9 games. It would be a solid plan.

I could not disagree more. Everything that happens this season will be based on Haskins. Our OL can be solid. Our DL can be dominant. If healthy, Guice is going to be special.

Our attendance has nothing to do with last season. It has to do with thirty years of ineptitude.

Our DL will consist of four first rounders. They have not been great because of poor coaching, not talent. We will finally have a competent coach, a good running game, and a good defense. If Haskins is anything, we will win at least 7 and that is going sparingly in FA. The only two positions we need to go strong at in FA are LB and maybe a corner. I would throw LT in but there is little out there in FA.

If we never learn from our past, we will never compete for another SB. Us going strong in FA...

 

[duke1861]

We have gone sparingly into free agent for several years now and it got us a 3-13 record.

We need to stop having some type of PTSD from the Vinny days. He has been gone for over 10 years now. He wanted to go after the most expensive free agents over 30 years old. That clearly did not work at all. I am advocating going after younger FA with reasonable contracts.

Our OLine can be solid with the right pieces. Flowers and Moses are clearly not those pieces.

We literally have only 1 TE on the roster who can play, we need to find something in FA.

I respect your opinion Gkekoa but as with the past 15 years since the ESPN days, I disagree with your approach. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[skinsdad62]

We have gone sparingly into free agent for several years now and it got us a 3-13 record.

We need to stop having some type of PTSD from the Vinny days. He has been gone for over 10 years now. He wanted to go after the most expensive free agents over 30 years old. That clearly did not work at all. I am advocating going after younger FA with reasonable contracts.

Our OLine can be solid with the right pieces. Flowers and Moses are clearly not those pieces.

We literally have only 1 TE on the roster who can play, we need to find something in FA.

I respect your opinion Gkekoa but as with the past 15 years since the ESPN days, I disagree with your approach. We will have to agree to disagree.

less then half of our FA signings have worked out and dropping 63 mil on more to maybe get 9 wins isnt smart because there is no way to improve the team except through the draft only

add to it smith isnt tradeble and his hit is is 21 mil not 10 and the dead space is 32 mil

no one and i mean no one has called about TW let alone offered us a 2

i dont know about you i am not paying bradbury 15 mil or hooper 12 mil a year

 

[countryroads316]

less then half of our FA signings have worked out and dropping 63 mil on more to maybe get 9 wins isnt smart because there is no way to improve the team except through the draft only

add to it smith isnt tradeble and his hit is is 21 mil not 10 and the dead space is 32 mil

no one and i mean no one has called about TW let alone offered us a 2

i dont know about you i am not paying bradbury 15 mil or hooper 12 mil a year

already reports saying talks will start after the combine

 

[Sportster 72]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are no calls about Trent until after the draft.

 

[skinsdad62]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are no calls about Trent until after the draft.

you are so much more right about that then we all know

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Here we go!

Disclaimer: Many will probably disagree with this offseason plan and claim this is wasting money and unreasonable. My goal would be to build a competitive team while reinforcing key areas with high draft picks. This FA approach and mock draft would get us in contention while building a young core of players like Rivera wants.
I am not going into great detail like contract length and what not and have taken cap savings, draft positions and contract demands from various websites

Cuts:
Morgan Moses = 5 million in cap space
Alex Smith = 10 million cap space

Trades:
Trent Williams = 13 in cap space. Trade for a 2nd round pick
Ryan Kerrigan = 12 million in cap space. Trade for a 4th round pick.
Trade 2nd overall to Miami for 5th, 18th and 39th over all picks as rumored.
Total cap space for 2020: 103 million
Total draft picks: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4 (comp pick), 5, 7, 7

FA:
I would stay away from the high priced players who want absurd contracts and go for players who graded well in 2019, who are young and who have been healthy.

Nick Kwiatkoski = OLB. 26 yrs old (9 million a year contract). 4-5 year deal
Blake Martinez = MLB. 26 yrs old (10 million a year contract). 4-5 year deal
Jake Conklin = RT. 25 yrs old (14 million a year contract). 7 year deal
Jacob Hollister = TE. 26 years old (7 million a year contract). 6 year deal
Tre Boston = FS. 27 years old (6 million a year contract). 4 year deal
Kendall Fuller = CB. 25 years old (7 million a year contract). 7 year deal
Graham Glasgow = Guard. 27 years old (10 million a year contract). 5 year deal
Matt Moore = Back Up QB. 35 (5 million for a 1 year deal)
68 million in FA total with 35 million left in cap.

For the draft, I would attack the board with BPA for a position of need and toward the end, draft the BPA regarldess of position.

Draft:
1st: Jedrick Willis Jr- Bama = LT
1st: AJ Epenesa- Iowa = DE
2nd: Justin Jefferson - LSU= WR
2nd: Jeff Gladney- TCU = CB
3rd: Logan Stenberg- Kentucky = OG
4th: Adam Trautman- Dayton = TE
4th: JR Reid- GA = FS
4th: Keshawn Vaughn- Vandy = RB
5th: BPA
7th: BPA
7th: BPA

Starters for 2020:
QB: Haskins
RB: Guice
WR: McLaurin, Jefferson and Sims
TE: Hollister
OL: Willis Jr, Glasgow, Rouiller, Martin/Stenberg, Conklin

DL: Epensa, Payne, Allen, Sweat
LB: Kwiatkoski, Martinez, Holcomb
CB: Fuller, Dunbar, Moreau/Gladney
FS: Boston
SS: Collins

The team wins 9 games in 2020 and has talent and depth on both sides of the ball.

With all due respect, I love the effort you put into this, but i did not like your plans at all.
Other than drafting Willis Jr. and stealing Jefferson in the 2nd...i did not like your draft despite the capital you landed.
I also liked the Fuller signing. Despite me, not liking this....I think Willis, Jefferson and Fuller would make immediate impacts. Great job, i personally just didn't agree with it. But these mocks make for good conversation

 

[duke1861]

less then half of our FA signings have worked out and dropping 63 mil on more to maybe get 9 wins isnt smart because there is no way to improve the team except through the draft only

add to it smith isnt tradeble and his hit is is 21 mil not 10 and the dead space is 32 mil

no one and i mean no one has called about TW let alone offered us a 2

i dont know about you i am not paying bradbury 15 mil or hooper 12 mil a year

I hate to break it to you but our draft selection and right on par with that as well Skinsdad. We have NEVER drafted well and you as a long term Skins fan know this. Even recently, look at our 2016, 2017 and 2018 draft. We only have 1 player left from 2016, we hit on 50% of our 2017 draft and same with the 2018 draft class. The 2019 class is looking better.

That being said, over the past 4 years, the draft is about a 50% rate of sucess. Point being, those pointing to the draft saving us and answering all of our question and addressing all of our needs have literally no proof of this and are making it up.

If we get to 9 or more wins under the plan I presented and get an NFC title while staying young and building through the draft, yes, 63 million is a small price to pay to get a kickstart. Not sure what you are saying there?

I got the number of freeing up 10 million in cap saving by cutting Smithfrom the following:Redskins: The case for cutting Alex Smith despite lofty dead cap number
We need to do something with him as he is taking up a roster space and will not play again. It silly to keep him around.

At this time, it appears that nobody has called but CLE just took a hit (no pun intended) by losing one of their LT. I would assume we get calls sooner than later.

Nobody is saying we should jump out and sign Bradberry or Hooper for that amount. I do not and clearly offered better alternatives.

 

[skinsdad62]

I hate to break it to you but our draft selection and right on par with that as well Skinsdad. We have NEVER drafted well and you as a long term Skins fan know this. Even recently, look at our 2016, 2017 and 2018 draft. We only have 1 player left from 2016, we hit on 50% of our 2017 draft and same with the 2018 draft class. The 2019 class is looking better.

That being said, over the past 4 years, the draft is about a 50% rate of sucess. Point being, those pointing to the draft saving us and answering all of our question and addressing all of our needs have literally no proof of this and are making it up.

If we get to 9 or more wins under the plan I presented and get an NFC title while staying young and building through the draft, yes, 63 million is a small price to pay to get a kickstart. Not sure what you are saying there?

I got the number of freeing up 10 million in cap saving by cutting Smithfrom the following:Redskins: The case for cutting Alex Smith despite lofty dead cap number
We need to do something with him as he is taking up a roster space and will not play again. It silly to keep him around.

At this time, it appears that nobody has called but CLE just took a hit (no pun intended) by losing one of their LT. I would assume we get calls sooner than later.

Nobody is saying we should jump out and sign Bradberry or Hooper for that amount. I do not and clearly offered better alternatives.

you have to keep him around because of the guaranteed money

9 wins doesnt get you to the NFC title game very often and its a kickstart because there isnt a lot of cap the following year

and you are overpaying for avg

 

[skinsdad62]

2016 draft
dox and cravens were busts however SM picked them

ionidas , round 5 PB DT
fuller starting CB in superbowl with game winning pick
sudfeld BU qb for eagles round 6 about what his draft status indicates

• Jonathan Allen. Pick: Round 1, 17th overall. ...starting DT in 4-3 future PB player
• Ryan Anderson. Pick: Round 2, 49th overall. ...BU 4-3 de/LB over drafted but miscast in 3-4
• Fabian Moreau. Pick: Round 3, 81st overall. ...starting slot CB , better on edge
• Samaje Perine. Pick: Round 4, 114th overall. ...BU RB in cincy playing at his draft status
• Montae Nicholson. Pick: Round 4, 123rd overall. ...starting FS playing over his draft status
• Jeremy Sprinkle. Pick: Round 5, 154th overall. ...BU TE playing at his draft status
• Chase Roullier. Pick: Round 6, 199th overall. ...starting center probably for 10 years way above his draft status
• Robert Davis.BU wr on eagles , injuries hurt him but playing at his draft status

2018 draft

payne DT excellent pick could be future PB player
Guice RB , injured much of his career but top RB when on field starting RB this year
christian , ot so far a bust , this is make or break yr
apke Fs playing like his draft position suggest BU st ace
settle BU DT playing at what his draft status suggests so far great future
SDH round 6 so far playing at his draft position could be starting OLB
stroman round 7 started a few games rookie year injured out about what his position in draft indicates
trey quinn round 7 playing at level you expect from last guy picked BU wr

2019 draft
ROUND 1, PICK 15 (15th overall):

Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State our starting qb possible franchise qb

ROUND 1, PICK 26 (26th overall):

Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State
our starting DE future PB player potential

ROUND 3, PICK 12 (76th overall):


Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State

ROUND 4, PICK 10 (112th overall): do i need to say anything here ? steal of the draft

Bryce Love, RB, Stanford

ROUND 4, PICK 29 (131st overall):injured when drafted possible BU RB

Wes Martin, G, Indiana started in place of sherf , aqutted himself well , in contention to start next year depending on FA , certainly playing at his draft status


ROUND 5, PICK 15 (153rd overall):

Ross Pierschbacher, C, Alabama jury still out , learning the game so far so good

ROUND 5, PICK 35 (173rd overall):

Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina next to terry biggest find of our draft . starting OLB

ROUND 6, PICK 34 (206th overall):


Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State another huge find playing at or above draft status

ROUND 7, PICK 13 (227th overall):

Jimmy Moreland, DB, James Madison could end up being our starting slot CB , playing at or above draft status

ROUND 7, PICK 39 (253rd overall):

Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma State

on IR the whole year jury still out but has tools to be 4-3 de pass rusher

so please explain how we are drafting badly . we missed on some picks but overall we are spot on

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Jesus Christ you go heavy in FA on offense and draft Young then go from there stop over thinking it

 

[duke1861]

FA Options for younger players. Some are cheaper than others obviously. This is a good big board to look at if we wish to remain mostly frugal:

WR

Demarcus Robinson 25yrs

Devin Funchess 26yrs

TE

Blake Jarwin 26yrs

Ricky Seals-Jones 25yrs

Jacob Hollister 26yrs


OT

Halapoulivaati Vaitai 27yrs

Jack Conklin 26yrs


LB

Cory Littleton 26yrs

Joe Schobert 26yrs

Blake Martinez 26yrs


CB

Byron Jones 27yrs

James Bradberry 27yrs

Vernon Hargreaves 25yrs

Kendall Fuller 25yrs

Eli Apple 25yrs

Mackensie Alexander 26yrs

S

Justin Simmons 26yrs

Anthony Harris 28yrs

Tre Boston 28yrs

Vonn Bell 25yrs

Sean Davis 26yrs

 

[duke1861]

2016 draft
dox and cravens were busts however SM picked them

ionidas , round 5 PB DT
fuller starting CB in superbowl with game winning pick
sudfeld BU qb for eagles round 6 about what his draft status indicates

• Jonathan Allen. Pick: Round 1, 17th overall. ...starting DT in 4-3 future PB player
• Ryan Anderson. Pick: Round 2, 49th overall. ...BU 4-3 de/LB over drafted but miscast in 3-4
• Fabian Moreau. Pick: Round 3, 81st overall. ...starting slot CB , better on edge
• Samaje Perine. Pick: Round 4, 114th overall. ...BU RB in cincy playing at his draft status
• Montae Nicholson. Pick: Round 4, 123rd overall. ...starting FS playing over his draft status
• Jeremy Sprinkle. Pick: Round 5, 154th overall. ...BU TE playing at his draft status
• Chase Roullier. Pick: Round 6, 199th overall. ...starting center probably for 10 years way above his draft status
• Robert Davis.BU wr on eagles , injuries hurt him but playing at his draft status

2018 draft

payne DT excellent pick could be future PB player
Guice RB , injured much of his career but top RB when on field starting RB this year
christian , ot so far a bust , this is make or break yr
apke Fs playing like his draft position suggest BU st ace
settle BU DT playing at what his draft status suggests so far great future
SDH round 6 so far playing at his draft position could be starting OLB
stroman round 7 started a few games rookie year injured out about what his position in draft indicates
trey quinn round 7 playing at level you expect from last guy picked BU wr

2019 draft
ROUND 1, PICK 15 (15th overall):

Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State our starting qb possible franchise qb

ROUND 1, PICK 26 (26th overall):

Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State
our starting DE future PB player potential

ROUND 3, PICK 12 (76th overall):


Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State

ROUND 4, PICK 10 (112th overall): do i need to say anything here ? steal of the draft

Bryce Love, RB, Stanford

ROUND 4, PICK 29 (131st overall):injured when drafted possible BU RB

Wes Martin, G, Indiana started in place of sherf , aqutted himself well , in contention to start next year depending on FA , certainly playing at his draft status


ROUND 5, PICK 15 (153rd overall):

Ross Pierschbacher, C, Alabama jury still out , learning the game so far so good

ROUND 5, PICK 35 (173rd overall):

Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina next to terry biggest find of our draft . starting OLB

ROUND 6, PICK 34 (206th overall):


Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State another huge find playing at or above draft status

ROUND 7, PICK 13 (227th overall):

Jimmy Moreland, DB, James Madison could end up being our starting slot CB , playing at or above draft status

ROUND 7, PICK 39 (253rd overall):

Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma State

on IR the whole year jury still out but has tools to be 4-3 de pass rusher

so please explain how we are drafting badly . we missed on some picks but overall we are spot on

I said the 2019 draft is going well so far but here are my notes. Keep in mind, we need starters in the draft as well. I am only refering to if the player remained with the team and I do not care if they are succeding elsewhere:

2016= Terrible draft as our first 2 picks are complete busts. We had to hit on these picks and did not.
IMan is the only one left. In other words, this was a disaster of a draft

2017 = Average/below average draft
Reviewing the Redskins 2017 draft: Lots of depth, little flair
Jonathan Allen. Pick: Average pick and may not be resigned. Not a bust but has not lived up to his 1st round status.
Ryan Anderson. Pick: Bust. Is a depth only player and only started 4 games last year.
Fabian Moreau. Below average pick: He grades out very poorly and below average. Will probably not be resigned
Samaje Perine. No longer with team
Montae Nicholson. Ok pick, will probably be cut this year due to off field troubles and ok production
Jeremy Sprinkle. Solid pick, will probably be cut this year due to off field troubles and ok production
Chase Roullier. Great pick
Robert Davis. Cut and no longer with team

2018 = Average draft. Good for depth and bi-polar as it has busts or great picks.

payne = Great pick
Guice RB = Bust. Cannot stay on the field and is injury prone
christian = Bust so far.
apke = average to below average
settle = Great pick
SDH = Great pick
Adonis Alexander = No longer with team
stroman = Average pick
trey quinn = Below average pick and cannot stay healthy

So in my estimation we have:
2016 = Disaster
2017 = Average below/average
2018 = Average
2019 = Solid

All in al, I have about "average" for these drafts total and about a 50% hit rate. According to you, we hit on 50% of FA and that is what I have with the draft.