Game Thread: #2 Ohio State vs #11 Michigan 12PM EST - Fox

[TrustMeIamRight]

Shea Patterson has thrown for 300 yards in each of his last three games. He also threw for over 275 two other times this year. Also, is 6 drops a record for drops in a game? Where did you get that from?

It'll be nice to have our defensive backs healthy for the CFP, that makes a pretty big difference in our pass defense. I think we showed with Johnathan Taylor earlier this year that running on us isn't too easy either. We've faced two 1,000+ yard rushers this year and held them to 67 yards combined.

I think you're reading a bit too much into Saturday's game when diagnosing our defense. You did a good job on Young, but there were also (as usual) a ton of missed holds against him, including an extremely blatant one on your 2nd TD. That's the only way a team is actually going to stop him. That said, michigan's passing offense is pretty far from being bad. We showed after halftime that we were able to make adjustments and it worked.

I think you are confusing halftime adjustments with how the game played out. OSU didn’t start shutting down WR’s — UM starting dropping pass after pass after pass after pass.


Once the game became a blowout (AGAIN) — OSU knew everybody down was a pass and could just drop everyone in coverage. This is why we were able to break off a 45 yard run.

What makes OSU’s secondary so good this year is one guy — Chase Young. When he pressures the QB — WR’s don’t have time to run patterns. That is why UM was successful. They had a player chip Young at the line of scrimmage and double him, etc. — it gave WR’s time run routes.

After the 3rd debacle where we dropped almost every pass — UM had to throw every down, so OSU knew what was coming.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Honestly, a good amount of my major coursework involved take home exams/finals, so they were open book, too. Still doesn't mean they weren't difficult or that I didn't learn anything. At any rate, this conversation is about OSU "scooting the line", according to MnB, when in fact Fields is doing what tons of normal students do, which are take GEC's online. It's a bad look for that michigan podcast to try and call out Fields while sanctimoniously painting michigan football players as these academic titans when in fact, it sounds like they have it easier than OSU players.

I couldn’t care less. The top kids aren’t at these schools to get an education. It is a joke to think that they are.

As far as online courses — without a doubt they are easier, as you don’t have to waste time getting up and getting to class or putting in the time to study. My guess is Fields is doing this so he can concentrate on why he came to OSU, which is football, before going to the NFL.

 

[Across The Field]

I think you are confusing halftime adjustments with how the game played out. OSU didn’t start shutting down WR’s — UM starting dropping pass after pass after pass after pass.

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Once the game became a blowout (AGAIN) — OSU knew everybody down was a pass and could just drop everyone in coverage. This is why we were able to break off a 45 yard run.

What makes OSU’s secondary so good this year is one guy — Chase Young. When he pressures the QB — WR’s don’t have time to run patterns. That is why UM was successful. They had a player chip Young at the line of scrimmage and double him, etc. — it gave WR’s time run routes.

After the 3rd debacle where we dropped almost every pass — UM had to throw every down, so OSU knew what was coming.

So, again, you had only 6 drops. Saying a pass is "imminently catchable" is an opinion. It also doesn't take into account passes broken up with hits by our defense, which happened on a few occasions Saturday as well. If you wanna blame drops for your offensive futility, be my guest, but one outlier game doesn't really concern me. Our secondary is elite and everybody but you apparently knows that.

 

[BoiseMike19]

I couldn’t care less. The top kids aren’t at these schools to get an education. It is a joke to think that they are.

As far as online courses — without a doubt they are easier, as you don’t have to waste time getting up and getting to class or putting in the time to study. My guess is Fields is doing this so he can concentrate on why he came to OSU, which is football, before going to the NFL.

Dude, the University of Phoenix casts out thousands of applicants that pass the credit rating process every year. You got to be special to get accepted to a lot of these high end schools.

 

[Across The Field]

I couldn’t care less. The top kids aren’t at these schools to get an education. It is a joke to think that they are.

As far as online courses — without a doubt they are easier, as you don’t have to waste time getting up and getting to class or putting in the time to study. My guess is Fields is doing this so he can concentrate on why he came to OSU, which is football, before going to the NFL.

Opinions on online classes notwithstanding, the point was how pathetic it was listening to some michigan talking head podcast saying OSU is a "semi-pro" program who isn't concerned about athletics while michigan apparently has a team full of engineers spending 40 hours a week in the lab or something. Did you see the article saying michigan was a "Beacon of greatness in a sea of cheaters and bagmen"? That actually made me laugh out loud when I read it.

 

[handicappers]

I didn’t read the thread, so not sure what you guys are arguing about, but saw this post about online courses. I had to take an Econ 101 class that the credit didn’t transfer from my previous college. They offered it online. My roommate was an Econ major. For a case of beer — He did all the work and tests for me and I got an A.

Online courses are LIGHTYEARS easier. Think of it like this — Which test is harder: One where you have to study for hours, then wake up get ready and go take the test or One that is an open book test?

Unless they have changed online courses in the last 10 years — Tests were all open book. There was no reason to study. You just look up the answers.

Tests (which are usually around 80% of the grade) are proctored. People are watching you thru your computer and you have to show them what is in the room you are sitting in. There is no time nor capabilities for cheating during a proctored test. Plus you would get expelled if caught.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yikes, that's a bad look for at least what michigan was at the time. I know OSU offers plenty of classes online. I'm not sure the format, but my wife told me that the students she's talked to on campus have said they're still difficult, they're just more convenient because you don't have to leave your apartment 10-20 minutes beforehand to walk to class.

The classes aren’t real time — the professor records the lectures. You log on when you want and listen to them. Online courses can have an infinite amount of students in them. You are tracked by when you log in and if you ‘play’ the lecture. You can literally put it on mute and press play.

I only took the one course online, as my school only offered intro courses online. But if they offered all of them online — I would have done that in a heartbeat.

 

[gob]

Honestly, a good amount of my major coursework involved take home exams/finals, so they were open book, too. Still doesn't mean they weren't difficult or that I didn't learn anything. At any rate, this conversation is about OSU "scooting the line", according to MnB, when in fact Fields is doing what tons of normal students do, which are take GEC's online. It's a bad look for that michigan podcast to try and call out Fields while sanctimoniously painting michigan football players as these academic titans when in fact, it sounds like they have it easier than OSU players.

Most of my engineering exams were either open note, cheat sheet, or open book.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Opinions on online classes notwithstanding, the point was how pathetic it was listening to some michigan talking head podcast saying OSU is a "semi-pro" program who isn't concerned about athletics while michigan apparently has a team full of engineers spending 40 hours a week in the lab or something. Did you see the article saying michigan was a "Beacon of greatness in a sea of cheaters and bagmen"? That actually made me laugh out loud when I read it.

Tests (which are usually around 80% of the grade) are proctored. People are watching you thru your computer and you have to show them what is in the room you are sitting in. There is no time nor capabilities for cheating during a proctored test. Plus you would get expelled if caught.

That would have to be most tedious job in the entire world to watch a computer screen for 1000’s of students a day taking a test.

We definitely didn’t have that 10 years ago. So I don’t know how that’d even work, unless they make every student put live feed cameras not only on the laptop, but in the room too.

 

[Across The Field]

The classes aren’t real time — the professor records the lectures. You log on when you want and listen to them. Online courses can have an infinite amount of students in them. You are tracked by when you log in and if you ‘play’ the lecture. You can literally put it on mute and press play.

I only took the one course online, as my school only offered intro courses online. But if they offered all of them online — I would have done that in a heartbeat.

Oh I'm sure some students would do that. However, at least at Ohio State, you can't take every single one of your classes online. This idea that Fields is just a dumb jock not doing anything is foolish. He got into the Pre-Business program, which isn't easy. If he was a normal student, he'd still probably be taking his current classes online as they're probably almost entirely GECs, as he's just a sophomore in the first semester. However, once he got into the Fisher program, he'd be on campus at classes.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Most of my engineering exams were either open note, cheat sheet, or open book.

Damn — I went to the wrong schools. I damn near killed myself studying on some of my 4th year finals.

 

[Across The Field]

Most of my engineering exams were either open note, cheat sheet, or open book.

It makes way more sense. Cramming for exams doesn't mean you're learning the material, it just means you've managed to memorize them for a short enough amount of time to pass the test. For a good amount of tests I took like this in college, I couldn't remember what I had crammed probably two months later.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Oh I'm sure some students would do that. However, at least at Ohio State, you can't take every single one of your classes online. This idea that Fields is just a dumb jock not doing anything is foolish. He got into the Pre-Business program, which isn't easy. If he was a normal student, he'd still probably be taking his current classes online as they're probably almost entirely GECs, as he's just a sophomore in the first semester. However, once he got into the Fisher program, he'd be on campus at classes.

That is how ours were. You could take intro classes online. Once you got to your major curriculum — you had to be in class.

 

[Erie Warrior]

It's well known we slipped for a few years as UF was CUMstained.

Word to any school who takes an Ohio state sleezeball into his program. It took a decade to clean up the filthy residue at Florida.

So, you guys are going to quit claiming those Nattys he won for you?

 

[Across The Field]

That is how ours were. You could take intro classes online. Once you got to your major curriculum — you had to be in class.

And that's how it is at OSU. When I played the clip from that michigan podcast for my wife last night, she literally burst out laughing. I believe her exact words were "Are they actually criticizing a kid smart enough to get into pre-Fisher for being a sophomore in his fall semester??"

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yikes, that's a bad look for at least what michigan was at the time. I know OSU offers plenty of classes online. I'm not sure the format, but my wife told me that the students she's talked to on campus have said they're still difficult, they're just more convenient because you don't have to leave your apartment 10-20 minutes beforehand to walk to class.

The problem with online courses is that they're basically ripe for abuse. You can have students log in and participate in video conferences through those tools, but since instructors can't physically see you or monitor you at home, they're limited in what they can assign you without you being able to just bullshit it. Papers are papers, so we had a lot of those. but with tests, there's literally no way to prevent students from cheating on those at home. Everyone has a phone. Everyone can google. So you end up with a lot of bullshit tasks to do to through the online site, like commenting on the message boards and chatting with students in the classes. Obviously, the success of the online class varies dramatically based on the material but they were certainly the easiest classes I took at Michigan because theyr'e handcuffed by not actually being in class.

 

[gob]

Damn — I went to the wrong schools. I damn near killed myself studying on some of my 4th year finals.

Exams weren't easy. They were more concerned that you knew how to solve problems than if you can remember some constant that you would be able to look up in 2 minutes.

 

[Across The Field]

The problem with online courses is that they're basically ripe for abuse. You can have students log in and participate in video conferences through those tools, but since instructors can't physically see you or monitor you at home, they're limited in what they can assign you without you being able to just bullshit it. Papers are papers, so we had a lot of those. but with tests, there's literally no way to prevent students from cheating on those at home. Everyone has a phone. Everyone can google. So you end up with a lot of bullshit tasks to do to through the online site, like commenting on the message boards and chatting with students in the classes. Obviously, the success of the online class varies dramatically based on the material but they were certainly the easiest classes I took at Michigan because theyr'e handcuffed by not actually being in class.

Here's the problem though - if the point of college is to learn, there isn't much merit in someone being critical of online classes.

https://www.americaninno.com/boston/mit-study-how-do-online-courses-compare-to-traditional-learning/

The group, comprised of researchers from MIT, Harvard and Tsinghua University, completed a before-and-after test on students taking “Mechanics ReView,” an introductory mechanics course offered on massive open online learning platform edX. Researchers then conducted a similar test on students taking the class residentially, discovering:

THE AMOUNT LEARNED IS SOMEWHAT GREATER THAN IN THE TRADITIONAL LECTURE-BASED COURSE.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So, again, you had only 6 drops. Saying a pass is "imminently catchable" is an opinion. It also doesn't take into account passes broken up with hits by our defense, which happened on a few occasions Saturday as well. If you wanna blame drops for your offensive futility, be my guest, but one outlier game doesn't really concern me. Our secondary is elite and everybody but you apparently knows that.

All I can say is I came out extremely impressed with our offense in that game, and especially excited about the future of it. The defense on the other hand....

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Here's the problem though - if the point of college is to learn, there isn't much merit in someone being critical of online classes.

https://www.americaninno.com/boston/mit-study-how-do-online-courses-compare-to-traditional-learning/

There can be benefits from it, especially depending on the material. But no econ major is taking history 101 online and not googling answers. You also have to factor in, students who get into MIT are probably a bit different than students who get into OSU, or even Michigan.