2019-20 Quest for the cup(The Carter Hart era begins)

[lasgop8]

Under the Microscope: The Flyers 2019 Draft Class

 

[lasgop8]

It seems like a cap trade that leaves us a bit more money

I like that we save money here so we can pay our own players that are RFAs.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

I like this trade as they are pretty much the same player with less offense by Pitlik but we both were hearing 2.5 for Hartman and i didn't want to see us pay him that much. Plus we get the extra million to pay our own players

Until he scores 40 goals in Dallas lol.

 

[chy1127]

Hartman had 1 good year

2016 - 17 Gps - 76 G - 19 A - 12 - 31 total points
2017 - 18 Gps - 78 G - 11 A - 20 - 31 total points
2018 - 19 GPS - 83 G- 12 A - 14 - 26 total points

Piltnik

2017 - 18 Gps - 80 G - 14 A -13 - 27 total points
2018 - 19 Gps - 47 G - 8 A - 4 - 12 total pts Projects 14 goals, 7 assists - 21 total points

I still don't see how Hartman projected to $2.5 million. Not a real drop off to Piltnik and he is only $1 million and can PK, he is also 6-2, 202 lbs and like to throw the body around. I am not upset with this move at all.

 

[chy1127]

Until he scores 40 goals in Dallas lol.

Hitting the pipe early today. Hartman's high (pun intended) point mark is 31.

 

[lasgop8]

Hartman had 1 good year

2016 - 17 Gps - 76 G - 19 A - 12 - 31 total points
2017 - 18 Gps - 78 G - 11 A - 20 - 31 total points
2018 - 19 GPS - 83 G- 12 A - 14 - 26 total points

Piltnik

2017 - 18 Gps - 80 G - 14 A -13 - 27 total points
2018 - 19 Gps - 47 G - 8 A - 4 - 12 total pts Projects 14 goals, 7 assists - 21 total points

I still don't see how Hartman projected to $2.5 million. Not a real drop off to Piltnik and he is only $1 million and can PK, he is also 6-2, 202 lbs and like to throw the body around. I am not upset with this move at all.

I agree i am in favor of this trade for money reasons but i do like his size.

 

[lasgop8]

Until he scores 40 goals in Dallas lol.

 

[lasgop8]

Hitting the pipe early today. Hartman's high (pun intended) point mark is 31.

 

[lasgop8]

Not a big fan of gritty but this is pretty cool.

Gritty surprises seven-year-old Flyers fan in hospital

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Hitting the pipe early today. Hartman's high (pun intended) point mark is 31.

Meant more in jest, usually players we trade go on to be successful elsewhere.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Cmon it was a lucky guess lol.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Not a big fan of gritty but this is pretty cool.

Gritty surprises seven-year-old Flyers fan in hospital

Shoot Gritty may be one of our defensive pairings this year.

 

[chy1127]

Meant more in jest, usually players we trade go on to be successful elsewhere.

I know, just couldn't resist!

 

[awaz]

One thing they mentioned during the draft that I just kind of brushed off, Fletcher drafted 3 guys with Minnesota ties this season. And had a history of doing so when he was with the Wild.

York - Shattuck St. Marys
Brink - Minnetonka, MN
Brodzinski - Mr. Hockey at the Minnesota High School level this year

Then I read that Pitlick is from Minnesota, same town 'sort of' as Braun. Niskanen, also born in Minnesota and went to Minnesota-Duluth.

So he's brought in 11 hockey players, 6 of them are from or have strong ties to Minnesota. Like I said, I brushed it off at the draft, Minnesota creates a lot of hockey players. But that's kind of an alarming number in just a few months. Anyone else concerned about a bit of a blind spot?

 

[lasgop8]

One thing they mentioned during the draft that I just kind of brushed off, Fletcher drafted 3 guys with Minnesota ties this season. And had a history of doing so when he was with the Wild.

York - Shattuck St. Marys
Brink - Minnetonka, MN
Brodzinski - Mr. Hockey at the Minnesota High School level this year

Then I read that Pitlick is from Minnesota, same town 'sort of' as Braun. Niskanen, also born in Minnesota and went to Minnesota-Duluth.

So he's brought in 11 hockey players, 6 of them are from or have strong ties to Minnesota. Like I said, I brushed it off at the draft, Minnesota creates a lot of hockey players. But that's kind of an alarming number in just a few months. Anyone else concerned about a bit of a blind spot?

This is interesting i never even considered this. Yes for me thats alarming especially if it continues but if we win a have deep playoff runs it will fade away fast. Winning cures all.

 

[lasgop8]

Flyers Release 2019-20 Regular Season Schedule

 

[lasgop8]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nhl-subban-free-agency-defence-market-broken-134900937.html



"It also does not make sense that Subban got two seconds and a pair of who-cares defenders who won’t make much of a difference for the Preds in the near future when the Flyers gave up a second and a third for Justin Braun (11th-worst WAR among big-minute defenders since 2016-17). Even with the different cap situations accounted for."

 

[raptorlife4]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nhl-subban-free-agency-defence-market-broken-134900937.html



"It also does not make sense that Subban got two seconds and a pair of who-cares defenders who won’t make much of a difference for the Preds in the near future when the Flyers gave up a second and a third for Justin Braun (11th-worst WAR among big-minute defenders since 2016-17). Even with the different cap situations accounted for."

Every one of Brauns teamates loved him
Subban not so much

Not everything can be measured in stats

 

[awaz]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nhl-subban-free-agency-defence-market-broken-134900937.html

"It also does not make sense that Subban got two seconds and a pair of who-cares defenders who won’t make much of a difference for the Preds in the near future when the Flyers gave up a second and a third for Justin Braun (11th-worst WAR among big-minute defenders since 2016-17). Even with the different cap situations accounted for."

Excellent article in general. The comparison between the Subban trade and what Myers is rumored to be getting is perfect.

I do think he underestimates the cap situations a bit in comparing the Subban trade to the Braun trade though. Even if the Flyers did give up too much for him. The Braun deal has essentially 0 risk to it for the Flyers. It takes up a modest amount of space this year and is off next year. Subban is 9M for 3 years, if he doesn't bounce back that's a very ugly and probably difficult to move (as a 31, 32 year old) contract. Those are pretty dramatically different cap situations.

 

[awaz]

Every one of Brauns teamates loved him
Subban not so much

Not everything can be measured in stats

This weighs in to it too. How many teams wanted to add that personality, had the cap space, and had 2019-20 season goals that would lead them to bid on Subban?

Contrast that with how many teams could add Braun for 1 season.

Nashville was probably looking at what, 2-3 buyers? SJ might've had 15 looking to add Braun.