Analyze your team's draft...

[tlance]

Maybe, but 2nd rounders usually don't do much. Hell, late first rounders usually don't either, unless you're the San Antonio Spurs.

I agree.

Generally speaking the only difference between a pick between 25-30 and 30-40 is the guaranteed contracts for 1st rounders.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, I don't love Hayes over Reddish, or technically speaking all those other guys he passed on when he moved down.

But I do love the rest. The accumulation of picks, swaps and young players is pretty awesome. Time will tell if he is able to build a winner, but he is off to a good start.

That's fine but it's overblown. From his draft day deal one of the picks was used on a guy I thought you said went a little earlier than he should. Other 2 will most likely be late teens/20s.

Cavs acquired 3 first rounders and Delly/Henson/Knight for Stauskas, Hill and 3 second rounders. Thinking that's better than giving up the #4 pick.

 

[dtgold88]

I mean between Ingram, Holliday and Bell they really didnt have a need...i know you dont go on need at that point, but they had a big need at center.....you dont want zion having to play and guard the 5....those 2 can grow together.

plus zion and reddish didnt seem to work in college...

i mean dont get me wrong id have prob. taken reddish there regardless becuause of the general weakness of this draft after that second tier, but i can see the fit there in New Orleans. Hayes was probably over drafted though and i dont like that pick a whole lot either.

I dunno, its a guard/wing lead. I would never take a center thats pretty much limited to center in the lotto unless it was a guy i just couldnt go without. You cant go wrong drafting wings or guards that can shoot the 3 in the NBA nowadays.

I'm OK with what he did but he is getting way too much credit for what he "pulled off". Cavs acquired 3 firsts for Stauskas, Hill and 3 seconds. Seems like a better haul than the same haul for the #4 pick in the draft.

Also being hailed a genius for acquiring guys Lebron didn't want to play with nor think could be a quality #2 or #3 on a title team.

 

[tlance]

I'm OK with what he did but he is getting way too much credit for what he "pulled off". Cavs acquired 3 firsts for Stauskas, Hill and 3 seconds. Seems like a better haul than the same haul for the #4 pick in the draft.

Also being hailed a genius for acquiring guys Lebron didn't want to play with nor think could be a quality #2 or #3 on a title team.

Cavs acquired those picks for taking on longer term salary.

Apples to oranges there

 

[tlance]

I'm OK with what he did but he is getting way too much credit for what he "pulled off". Cavs acquired 3 firsts for Stauskas, Hill and 3 seconds. Seems like a better haul than the same haul for the #4 pick in the draft.

Also being hailed a genius for acquiring guys Lebron didn't want to play with nor think could be a quality #2 or #3 on a title team.

But,

For the record I think the Cavs are on the short list of draft winners.

They did very well.

 

[dtgold88]

But,

For the record I think the Cavs are on the short list of draft winners.

They did very well.

I think they did as well as could be expected with their lottery misfortune. I do wonder if they'd have taken Hunter if he was there or if they are telling the truth they valued Garland on the level of Morant.

 

[tlance]

I think they did as well as could be expected with their lottery misfortune. I do wonder if they'd have taken Hunter if he was there or if they are telling the truth they valued Garland on the level of Morant.

I believe it.

Culver and Hunter are highly regarded and clearly fit the Cavs roster better.

Don't think they take Garland if they didn't believe he has star potential.

 

[dtgold88]

I believe it.

Culver and Hunter are highly regarded and clearly fit the Cavs roster better.

Don't think they take Garland if they didn't believe he has star potential.

I lean this way as well. If they really wanted Hunter have to think they could have moved from 5 to 4 to get him. True, Atlanta might then not trade up with NO, but they still could have picked up extra assets from Phoenix or the Bulls with Garland still on the board.

 

[Mecca]

Cavs acquired those picks for taking on longer term salary.

Apples to oranges there

Exactly.

Griff dumped salary and still grabbed extra first rounders.

Magnificent job of maximizing his resources.

But, the players he picked need to compliment Zion.

Outside of Jrue, the main cogs on this roster were put in place by Griff.

 

[dtgold88]

Cavs acquired those picks for taking on longer term salary.

Apples to oranges there

Shows there are many ways to acquire picks....and this way would be preferred to giving away the #4 pick in the draft.

 

[dtgold88]

Exactly.

Griff dumped salary and still grabbed extra first rounders.

Magnificent job of maximizing his resources.

But, the players he picked need to compliment Zion.

Outside of Jrue, the main cogs on this roster were put in place by Griff.

Yes, he dumped salary, but also gave up a very valuable piece - the #4 pick in the draft. He did fine, but getting a little too much credit IMO.

Guy is thought by many to be a genius but other than Zion falling in his lap, who is his best draft pick in his career as a GM?

 

[bksballer89]

We did a damn good job according to CBS @Heatles84 @TurnUpTheHeat

Miami wound up with a pretty nice haul getting Tyler Herro in the back end of the lottery and KZ Okpala, a player teams were rumored to be considering in the first round, in the first half of the second round. Need proof on the bargain? Here's Herro, from Thursday, on his suit: "It speaks for itself. I mean, look at it. Best drip here." What a treasure. Herro is going to be a star in Miami, and Okpala has star potential and a perfect fit to discover it with the Heat. Grade: A

2019 NBA Draft grades, team-by-team picks: Hawks, Grizzlies, Pelicans, Spurs earn As, but Suns get a D

 

[UK Cowboy]

Mavs

 

[dtgold88]

We did a damn good job according to CBS @Heatles84 @TurnUpTheHeat

Miami wound up with a pretty nice haul getting Tyler Herro in the back end of the lottery and KZ Okpala, a player teams were rumored to be considering in the first round, in the first half of the second round. Need proof on the bargain? Here's Herro, from Thursday, on his suit: "It speaks for itself. I mean, look at it. Best drip here." What a treasure. Herro is going to be a star in Miami, and Okpala has star potential and a perfect fit to discover it with the Heat. Grade: A

2019 NBA Draft grades, team-by-team picks: Hawks, Grizzlies, Pelicans, Spurs earn As, but Suns get a D

I did like Miami's draft but these guys crack me up with draft grades. They give a poor grade when the big boys who actually run drafts take these guys later than where guys who pretend to have a clue have them going. And vice versa

 

[tlance]

Shows there are many ways to acquire picks....and this way would be preferred to giving away the #4 pick in the draft.

Totally Depends on whether you have a chance to productively use your cap space.

The Cavs don't.

And again, what you are ignoring here is how the Pelicans value the rookies available at 4.

If they loved any of them, like the Cavs and Hawks did, I am sure they would have held their pick. Clearly they didn't love any of those guys.

So they moved down, got extra picks and dumped salary.

Time will tell if it was the right move. But given the choice to move the pick, he got a hell of a lot.

 

[dtgold88]

Totally Depends on whether you have a chance to productively use your cap space.

The Cavs don't.

And again, what you are ignoring here is how the Pelicans value the rookies available at 4.

If they loved any of them, like the Cavs and Hawks did, I am sure they would have held their pick. Clearly they didn't love any of those guys.

So they moved down, got extra picks and dumped salary.

Time will tell if it was the right move. But given the choice to move the pick, he got a hell of a lot.

Is NO a FA hotbed?

A "hell of a lot"? One could say Atlanta got more to move down just a few spots in the last draft. They were even able to use one of those picks to get the 4 pick this year.

 

[tlance]

Is NO a FA hotbed?

A "hell of a lot"? One could say Atlanta got more to move down just a few spots in the last draft. They were even able to use one of those picks to get the 4 pick this year.

No of course NO isn't a hotbed.

But again, you aren't considering the players.

Doncic was considered by many to be the best player in last year's draft.

Yes, Atlanta got a good return as they should have.

Doncic was on the level of Morant or Barrett as a prospect.

Nobody available after 3 is rated that high. Big difference in value between 3 in this draft and 4 in this draft. Doncic was at least on the level of pick 3 this year, and maybe pick 2.

 

[dtgold88]

No of course NO isn't a hotbed.

But again, you aren't considering the players.

Doncic was considered by many to be the best player in last year's draft.

Yes, Atlanta got a good return as they should have.

Doncic was on the level of Morant or Barrett as a prospect.

Nobody available after 3 is rated that high. Big difference in value between 3 in this draft and 4 in this draft. Doncic was at least on the level of pick 3 this year, and maybe pick 2.

Guessing Atlanta is happy with who they got, as well, and probably planned to take him had they stayed at 3.

I'm considering the players and the picks. I'm just saying Atlanta did just as well. Don't recall anyone saying they got "a hell of a lot".

Fans/media just love them some Griffin. Is he good at what he does? I'd say yes. But way too much hype for his work in Cleveland and so far in NO. Best pick he's ever made not named Zion (who fell in his lap)?

 

[tlance]

Guessing Atlanta is happy with who they got, as well, and probably planned to take him had they stayed at 3.

I'm considering the players and the picks. I'm just saying Atlanta did just as well. Don't recall anyone saying they got "a hell of a lot".

Fans/media just love them some Griffin. Is he good at what he does? I'd say yes. But way too much hype for his work in Cleveland and so far in NO. Best pick he's ever made not named Zion (who fell in his lap)?

Right

But what I am saying is the reason ATL wasn't praised for their deal was because people thought Doncic had potential to be a superstar and there were a lot of questions about Trae Young.

Nobody can rationally project Hunter to be a superstar.

I get you are down on griffin. Zion is an easy pick. But he did a great job maximizing value for AD with really only 1 team bidding against themselves and he did a good job getting back value for a pick who projects as a high quality role player.

 

[dtgold88]

Right

But what I am saying is the reason ATL wasn't praised for their deal was because people thought Doncic had potential to be a superstar and there were a lot of questions about Trae Young.

Nobody can rationally project Hunter to be a superstar.

I get you are down on griffin. Zion is an easy pick. But he did a great job maximizing value for AD with really only 1 team bidding against themselves and he did a good job getting back value for a pick who projects as a high quality role player.

I don't think you do get it. I'm not down on Griffin. I'm just not on board with the so far unsubstantiated hype. Can you answer my question? Who is the top pick he has ever made not named Zion (who fell in his lap)?

No questions about a 19-year old kid from a foreign country? Doesn't he go #1 if anyone was so sure about him?