Will AD want to be traded after this?

[Gman]

Agree though seems you ignore the idea they might think RJ is better than Tatum.

Anything's possible, of course.

My opinion is that is not a great bet, as I already explained... but anything's possible, and sure: I have no problem admitting RJ might be a better pro than Tatum.

 

[dtgold88]

Anything's possible, of course.

My opinion is that is not a great bet, as I already explained... but anything's possible, and sure: I have no problem admitting RJ might be a better pro than Tatum.

FWIW I don't think he is either, just don't think it's a crazy notion at all.

For all we know RJ goes #2.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Look at Lebron or Luka... Giannis is different, Giannis didn't know "basketball basics" when he joined the NBA...

Lebron was a beast his 2nd year in the league without a real jumpshot. He is in a different category. Luka had a great rookie year. Giannis was a project, it took him awhile to develop. I could see the same thing with Zion but he has less size and wingspan than guys like AD, Lebron, Giannis.

It is very unlikely Zion will be even close to how great AD is and he carried N.O. to the playoffs through a very tough west, even beat a very good Portland team. AD averaging 25 and 12 also being one of the best defensive players in the game ohh and AD is 3" taller and has an 8" longer wingspan.

 

[Shanemansj13]

FWIW I don't think he is either, just don't think it's a crazy notion at all.

For all we know RJ goes #2.

Nah, Memphis is getting Morant. It is pretty much a done deal. The first 3 picks are pretty much set in stone.

 

[tlance]

No doubt we disagree... but I honestly don't see where I have been anything less than "rational" in my take on this one.

Nor do I think that the claim that Tatum is the best single chip currently under discussion in a potential trade for AD is "biased" or homer-ific or whatever... and apparently you don't think so, either... so...

I'll stand on the arguments I've made previously. It'll be interesting to see which way this plays out... there's no clear and easy choice that's obviously better than the others, so that makes it fun.

For the Celtics, a necessary precondition in all of this is Kyrie's willingness to resign if tempted by the idea of playing with AD in Boston. And on that front... who the heck knows for sure what crazy-@ss Kyrie is thinking?

My apologies.

I don't think you are irrational or biased. I think you are actually quite good at objectively viewing your team and its assets. I certainly did not mean to imply otherwise if that is how you took it.

I do very much disagree with your assessment here, however.

Time will tell, but the Knicks are the team to beat in this race now.

 

[tlance]

You think they make what they view as a lesser deal because of the ramifications 7-8 years from now?

You get it's just as likely they get RJ and BOTH he and Zion decide to bolt together when they can?

No.

I clearly stated I think it is a better deal and the relationship between Zion and Barrett is a major bonus.

 

[tlance]

Ok, so let's say it takes the 6 years you suggest. He's gonna go through the growing pains, get to the point where they are ready to take off and then, what? Leave?

That is the point.

If the Pelicans relationship with Zion isn't great in the future, then yeah. He will absolutely leave the first chance he gets.

If NO views Barret as highly as they do Tatum (as I believe they are very close), then they take the player with 2 extra years and the great relationship with Zion 10 times out of 10.

If they believe Tatum to be the best player and NY fails to offer Robinson and/or Knox, then Boston's offer could be best. NY is in the driver's seat like I suggested.

 

[dtgold88]

That is the point.

If the Pelicans relationship with Zion isn't great in the future, then yeah. He will absolutely leave the first chance he gets.

If NO views Barret as highly as they do Tatum (as I believe they are very close), then they take the player with 2 extra years and the great relationship with Zion 10 times out of 10.

If they believe Tatum to be the best player and NY fails to offer Robinson and/or Knox, then Boston's offer could be best. NY is in the driver's seat like I suggested.

"The point" is Zion is gonna stick it out 6-7 years (where he really has no choice) then automatically bolt right when they are at the point they can contend (never mind this could happen in 4-5 years, or even less)?

You suggested an extreme - "by a mile" - as you usually do. That was the only area with which I disagree. Might the NY offer be the best? Sure, but even you seem to think it's possible they might like tatum better than RJ.

 

[tlance]

"The point" is Zion is gonna stick it out 6-7 years (where he really has no choice) then automatically bolt right when they are at the point they can contend (never mind this could happen in 4-5 years, or even less)?

You suggested an extreme - "by a mile" - as you usually do. That was the only area with which I disagree. Might the NY offer be the best? Sure, but even you seem to think it's possible they might like tatum better than RJ.

The rest of the proposed package in the post I quoted favors NY by a lot.

Robinson and Knox are both significantly more valuable than any other piece in that post. 3 1st starting at 14 in a draft that most think isn't very deep?

Give me either Knicks prospect over all 3 of those picks. Too much of a crap shoot on those late first picks.

 

[dtgold88]

The rest of the proposed package in the post I quoted favors NY by a lot.

Robinson and Knox are both significantly more valuable than any other piece in that post. 3 1st starting at 14 in a draft that most think isn't very deep?

Give me either Knicks prospect over all 3 of those picks. Too much of a crap shoot on those late first picks.

Don't recall the entire offers, but do agree the mid-firsts or later would not be that enticing.

 

[buckalis]

It is all over the web, in multiple different comments of Griffin, that the Pelicans do not intend to trade AD this summer, but they'll do anything on their power to convince him to stay with the Pelicans... GM Griffin has already contacted clutch on the matter and asked for their cooperation. A meeting with AD has been set for next week.
Therefore those of you who insisted that the Pelicans "will want to trade him" because "they are screwed if he decides to leave in free agency", are utterly wrong... The Pelican's won't be trading AD this summer, but will start the next season with AD in their future plans hoping that even if they don't get insurance that he will stay this off season, they will convince him later, after they prove to him that they are planning to be a contending for the title team.

 

[Shanemansj13]

It is all over the web, in multiple different comments of Griffin, that the Pelicans do not intend to trade AD this summer, but they'll do anything on their power to convince him to stay with the Pelicans... GM Griffin has already contacted clutch on the matter and asked for their cooperation. A meeting with AD has been set for next week.
Therefore those of you who insisted that the Pelicans "will want to trade him" because "they are screwed if he decides to leave in free agency", are utterly wrong... The Pelican's won't be trading AD this summer, but will start the next season with AD in their future plans hoping that even if they don't get insurance that he will stay this off season, they will convince him later, after they prove to him that they are planning to be a contending for the title team.

So? AD has said he doesn't want to be in N.O. He actually said that, it isn't all over the web, it came out of his mouth.
The new GM is trying to bring a positive vibe. If you really believe everything a GM says than I feel sorry for you kid. Gettleman signed OBJ to a long-term contract and said there was no way he traded him...he then proceeded to trade him. It's a GM and a very smart one, he is trying to get max value for AD, saying he wants to keep him only helps that value.

 

[Vitamike]

Therefore those of you who insisted that the Pelicans "will want to trade him" because "they are screwed if he decides to leave in free agency", are utterly wrong...

Therefore..... HA!

Either position one takes here is all just speculation buckalis, and since it's a stipulated speculative comment, it's absolutely right.

Anyway, this rumored meeting, which I believe will take place, only suggests that Griffin wants to talk to AD regarding his trade request.

Sure he will try to convince AD to stay, tell him his plan moving forward, but just because AD is willing to meet doesn't necessarily mean he is open to talks in staying, it's in his interest to meet, talk and cooperate to possibly discuss his desired destinations, if he is indeed adamant about leaving in 2020.

 

[buckalis]

So? AD has said he doesn't want to be in N.O. He actually said that, it isn't all over the web, it came out of his mouth.

That was last season... But even if he insists this off season, still the Pelicans won't trade him, but are expecting to convince him later... Therefore:
1. The Pelicans won't trade him (at least for this off season), even if he insists that he wants out.
2. One should wait until next week's meeting as to be sure of AD's intentions...

The new GM is trying to bring a positive vibe. If you really believe everything a GM says than I feel sorry for you kid. Gettleman signed OBJ to a long-term contract and said there was no way he traded him...he then proceeded to trade him. It's a GM and a very smart one, he is trying to get max value for AD, saying he wants to keep him only helps that value.

Why (is he trying for max value)? was there any possibility that AD will get anything less than max value if traded? ...or (at least) the "to its limits best" a team can offer?

You say he is smart, but you then present him like a stupid man who's policy is the "obvious" for you (or anybody else) to understand...

He won't trade him buddy... He knows that Davis can't find better than where he currently is and therefore knows that he now has the "upper hand"...

 

[trojanfan12]

It is all over the web, in multiple different comments of Griffin, that the Pelicans do not intend to trade AD this summer, but they'll do anything on their power to convince him to stay with the Pelicans... GM Griffin has already contacted clutch on the matter and asked for their cooperation. A meeting with AD has been set for next week.
Therefore those of you who insisted that the Pelicans "will want to trade him" because "they are screwed if he decides to leave in free agency", are utterly wrong... The Pelican's won't be trading AD this summer, but will start the next season with AD in their future plans hoping that even if they don't get insurance that he will stay this off season, they will convince him later, after they prove to him that they are planning to be a contending for the title team.

lol

Of course Griffin is going to do everything in his power to try to convince AD to stay. He would be stupid not to. For one, if he loses AD, it means he has to do a complete rebuild. Building around an established star player who is already on your roster is much easier than trying to rebuild completely through the draft and/or FA.

Additionally, the fans wouldn't be very happy with him if he just moved AD without at least trying to get him to stay. So, even if he doesn't think there's a chance in hell that AD will stay, he still has to say he's going to do everything he can to keep him. It makes AD the "bad guy" if he leaves instead of the team.

AD still has 1 year left on his deal. Because of that, Griffin doesn't have to trade him this off-season. He can even go as far as to keep him and try to trade him at the deadline or keep him for the entire season and risk him walking and getting nothing in return.

End of the day, no matter what Griffin says, the only thing that matters is what AD wants and so far, reports are that AD still wants out.

Maybe when they meet, Griffin will be able to change his mind. If that happens, good for Griffin, he made his job easier.

But, if he can't, he's not stupid enough to risk losing him for nothing and will likely move him this off-season or by the trade deadline depending on when he thinks he can get the most for him.

 

[buckalis]

lol

Of course Griffin is going to do everything in his power to try to convince AD to stay. He would be stupid not to. For one, if he loses AD, it means he has to do a complete rebuild. Building around an established star player who is already on your roster is much easier than trying to rebuild completely through the draft and/or FA.

Additionally, the fans wouldn't be very happy with him if he just moved AD without at least trying to get him to stay. So, even if he doesn't think there's a chance in hell that AD will stay, he still has to say he's going to do everything he can to keep him. It makes AD the "bad guy" if he leaves instead of the team.

AD still has 1 year left on his deal. Because of that, Griffin doesn't have to trade him this off-season. He can even go as far as to keep him and try to trade him at the deadline or keep him for the entire season and risk him walking and getting nothing in return.

End of the day, no matter what Griffin says, the only thing that matters is what AD wants and so far, reports are that AD still wants out.

Maybe when they meet, Griffin will be able to change his mind. If that happens, good for Griffin, he made his job easier.

Why you start with "lol" then, if you repeat exactly what I say... Are you of the "happy" butch of guys?

But, if he can't, he's not stupid enough to risk losing him for nothing and will likely move him this off-season or by the trade deadline depending on when he thinks he can get the most for him.

Did I ever say that moving him before next Feb's deadline is impossible? But forget it for this off season!

What I believe will happen (in case Davis will insist to go after season starts - which I very much doubt) before Feb's trade deadline, is that Griffin (knowing that has the "upper hand") will through a contract on the desk before AD's face and say "sign it or I'll trade you"... and AD will sign...

 

[trojanfan12]

That was last season... But even if he insists this off season, still the Pelicans won't trade him, but are expecting to convince him later... Therefore:
1. The Pelicans won't trade him (at least for this off season), even if he insists that he wants out.

Not necessarily. If AD is going to be traded, Griffin will trade him when he feels he can get the most for him. That could be before the trade deadline, but he probably gets more for him if he trades him in the off-season.

2. One should wait until next week's meeting as to be sure of AD's intentions...

True. It's possible that Griffin is able to convince AD to stay, but based on current reports...it appears to be unlikely.

As someone else pointed out, whether he intends to stay or not, it is still in AD's best interest to meet with the Pels.

This is especially true given how contentious things got when this was playing out during the season. By meeting with Griffin (who already has a good relationship with Klutch) he can create a more amicable situation and maybe get the Pels to be more open to sending him to a preferred destination.

Why (is he trying for max value)? was there any possibility that AD will get anything less than max value if traded? ...or (at least) the "to its limits best" a team can offer?

Actually, yes there is a chance they don't get max value. As of right now, the best likely offers appear to be potentially and in no particular order the Knicks, Lakers and Celtics. Any of those teams can offer a really good package of assets for AD that the Pels could use to create a very bright future for themselves.

But, if the Pels wait too long, those offers will go away. If, for example, AD indicates he won't stay in Boston, the Celtics will likely remove their offer or remove assets from it.

If they wait too long, the Knicks and Lakers may also decide not to wait and move on to other trades.

For that matter, if the rumors that the Pels won't deal with the Lakers under any circumstances are true, the Lakers may decide to move on from even trying to get AD and look to trade for someone else. Thus removing a very good potential offer before it can even be made.

 

[trojanfan12]

Why you start with "lol" then, if you repeat exactly what I say... Are you of the "happy" butch of guys?

The lol is because I was laughing at your statement. You made a post about something that everyone knew was going to happen because it would be stupid not to and tried to claim some "internet win" by calling out posters who say he will be traded. No one has said that AD wouldn't meet with Griffin. They have said that it's unlikely to make a difference.

So no, I didn't repeat exactly what you said.

Did I ever say that moving him before next Feb's deadline is impossible? But forget it for this off season!

No, but you said to forget this off-season. If AD is going to be traded, it's likely that it will happen this off-season because that's when the Pels are likely to get the best offers.

What I believe will happen (in case Davis will insist to go after season starts - which I very much doubt) before Feb's trade deadline, is that Griffin (knowing that has the "upper hand") will through a contract on the desk before AD's face and say "sign it or I'll trade you"... and AD will sign...

lol again.

So, even though AD insists on leaving you think Griffin's move will be to throw a contract in front of him and say "sign it or I'll give you what you want" and AD will sign it?

Here's the thing, Griffin doesn't have the upper hand. AD does because he will be an unrestricted free agent after this season.

The worst case for AD is that he spends 1 more season playing in New Orleans or some other place he doesn't want to be and then goes wherever he wants after the season.

The worst case for the Pels is that they lose him and get nothing in return.

 

[buckalis]

Actually, yes there is a chance they don't get max value. As of right now, the best likely offers appear to be potentially and in no particular order the Knicks, Lakers and Celtics. Any of those teams can offer a really good package of assets for AD that the Pels could use to create a very bright future for themselves.

But, if the Pels wait too long, those offers will go away. If, for example, AD indicates he won't stay in Boston, the Celtics will likely remove their offer or remove assets from it.

If they wait too long, the Knicks and Lakers may also decide not to wait and move on to other trades.

For that matter, if the rumors that the Pels won't deal with the Lakers under any circumstances are true, the Lakers may decide to move on from even trying to get AD and look to trade for someone else. Thus removing a very good potential offer before it can even be made.

...which then means AD will be forced to resign with the Pels... Especially if Griffin takes advantage of the Pelicans being advanced to "highly desirable destination" for this season and has Kemba or Kyrie joining them!

In such a case, expect to see lots of Kemba (kyrie), Holiday, Zion, Randle & Wood on the floor and Pelicans being "well into the playoffs" with only 25mins of AD playing time, before Griffin throws a contract in front of AD and says "sign it or I'll trade you" ...and AD signs it!

P.S. I've skipped quoting the 1st part, because I mostly agree...

 

[Wamu]

Why you start with "lol" then, if you repeat exactly what I say... Are you of the "happy" butch of guys?



Did I ever say that moving him before next Feb's deadline is impossible? But forget it for this off season!

What I believe will happen (in case Davis will insist to go after season starts - which I very much doubt) before Feb's trade deadline, is that Griffin (knowing that has the "upper hand") will through a contract on the desk before AD's face and say "sign it or I'll trade you"... and AD will sign...

Gotta ask. What the hell is "happy butch of guys"?