a tougher out of conference schedule than Stanford?

[Rolltide94]

And yet Alabama year after year plays Chattanooga and Mercer and North Idaho State and miraculously hasnt gone on the road to play an out of conference game at that teams house in about seven years. Lol. Its just Sabans good luck.
Variables my ass. Lol.

We are too busy getting paid millions to skull fuck shitty Pac-12 teams 52-6 in neutral sites, LOL, #3...what a joke.

What ridiculous rank will USC start out this season at, #15 again, pfff

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Mercer, Chattanooga and the Citadel are all better teams than 2017 Oregon State, they also all beat teams that actually beat someone else. But continue to tell me how awesome 2000 Oregon State was. I will give them credit, it takes some work to only beat 1 conference opponent in two years, I think maybe they think they get a #1 pick or something. Hell, half the Big 10 has any many Pac-12 wins as Oregon St in two years, and at least one has 3. 17 of the other 53 P5 teams have as many Pac-12 wins as Oregon St and two have more, despite for the most part having 17 less opportunities to do so.

I'm not sure there has been a P5 team that has had a worse two-year run in a shittier conference.

Are all home games for Bama.

 

[socaljim242]

All of which I agree with and contended. My entire premise is AD’s spend a vast majority on this and have the final say. These twits are trying to tell us HC’s have the final say, and one twit said HC’s are soley responsible. Truth is they probably consult with an AD in some small capacity but most all of scheduling falls in the lap of the AD.

You're full of shit. This whole argument was about a coach like Saban or Shaw who have been there enough time and have enough clout to mold their out of conference scheduling to thier liking. Yrs the AD does the paperwork but youre outta your mind if you think Saban doesn't let it be known what kinda teams he wants to play and tgat those games be at home. What the hell do you think would happen if the Bama AD told Saban I got Michigan State at thier house for our late november slot? Pretty much everyone here knows that AD would come out of Sabans office with that paperwork up his ass.
Like Trojanfan said. They might not pick the exact team but they will let it be known if they want a decent game or a glorified scrimmage team.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Just so we're clear, in your slack jaw mind coaches are solely responsible for picking and choosing OOC games?

No you simple fuck, I’m arguing coaches have a say in selecting OOC opponents. You are the dumbass that keeps trying to tell everyone it’s just the ADs.

 

[Rolltide94]

Are all home games for Bama.

I just called Oregon State hot garbage and your comeback is we played Mercer at home...argghhh the burn...I'm melting.

 

[Rolltide94]

And yet Alabama year after year plays Chattanooga and Mercer and North Idaho State and miraculously hasnt gone on the road to play an out of conference game at that teams house in about seven years. Lol. Its just Sabans good luck.
Variables my ass. Lol.

ahh yes, the bullshit, the retort of the saavy intellectual. I'm sure USC would have put up more of a snuggle struggle in the friendly confines of the Coliseum, we might have only skull fucked them in one eye socket instead of both and the stump of their raggedy brain stem. The Pac-12 should add Texas and Oklahoma, then they might have 3 decent teams while we wait for USC to not be shitty.

 

[Rolltide94]

Here's the thing...both sides are correct to a point.

Yes, most of these games are scheduled years in advance, but not all of them. Also, with few exceptions, both AD and coach assume they will still be there when the suggested/scheduled games are played.

Of course HC's aren't getting into the nitty gritty of picking the future opponents, negotiating the contracts, etc. They don't have the time for that kind of minutiae.

However, the AD absolutely will go to the coach and say "Here are some teams that have availability on these dates. Who do you think we should schedule?" Or "Hey, this team just contacted me about a game on this date. What do you think?"

It's also often times the head coach who sets the standard for how a team schedules. For example, when Pete Carroll took over at USC, he made it clear that he wanted to play better OOC competition and was willing to travel to do it. He did this to bring more recognition to the program and to expand USC's recruiting footprint.

So no, coaches aren't actually contacting other programs and scheduling games...but AD's aren't just scheduling whoever they want with no input from the HC either.

Maybe to a degree, but there's no way Helton has Carroll level clout about who USC plays. If he went in and told Lynn Swann he wanted to play nothing but currently ranked teams, there might be the equivalent of a "whoa tiger slow your roll there big fella" out of Swann.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I just called Oregon State hot garbage and your comeback is we played Mercer at home...argghhh the burn...I'm melting.

Ya because the SEC never has shit teams. Just stfu already.

 

[7Samurai13]

You fucks keep moving the goal posts and live in the world of absolutes. You now throw in long time coaches and use that argument against me. I already said earlier I don't doubt AD's run past the timing of some games, especially the bigger the ones. But if you dumbasses think for a second HC's are getting in the nitty gritty of picking and choosing/negotiating OOC games then you all are grossly naive. Schedules take years to put together and scheduled years in advance, no head coach is grinding over making these tedious decisions. Sure they'll voice their opinion or give feedback, but like I've contended all along they aren't in the schedule making business.

Nobody is saying that head coaches are doing the negotiations on who they play, but they are absolutely consulted on it and can kill an out of conference game. That is why Shaw gets credit for playing the game. You want to pretend that the Alabama tells Nick Saban who they are going to play or he can go fuck himself.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

You're full of shit. This whole argument was about a coach like Saban or Shaw who have been there enough time and have enough clout to mold their out of conference scheduling to thier liking. Yrs the AD does the paperwork but youre outta your mind if you think Saban doesn't let it be known what kinda teams he wants to play and tgat those games be at home. What the hell do you think would happen if the Bama AD told Saban I got Michigan State at thier house for our late november slot? Pretty much everyone here knows that AD would come out of Sabans office with that paperwork up his ass.
Like Trojanfan said. They might not pick the exact team but they will let it be known if they want a decent game or a glorified scrimmage team.

You gave an example of an incompetent AD if that’s your example. He’d be shown the soor by the school’s trustees before that ever got to Saban. Nobody at that level is that incompetent. Any more extreme examples to make a point?

 

[Rolltide94]

Ya because the SEC never has shit teams. Just stfu already.

I guess it's all relative, I've never seen an SEC team whose only win was over a winless FCS team....by 3. That's some next level shit there. I'll STFU when you quit pretending you play some sort of killer conference schedule. You guys haven't been over .500 OOC against other P5 conferences since your mail order bride was in middle school. Hell, your record against G5 looks like a good conference vs P5.

 

[socaljim242]

Maybe to a degree, but there's no way Helton has Carroll level clout about who USC plays. If he went in and told Lynn Swann he wanted to play nothing but currently ranked teams, there might be the equivalent of a "whoa tiger slow your roll there big fella" out of Swann.

No one said Helton has that level of clout.

 

[Rolltide94]

No one said Helton has that level of clout.

That was my point dumbass, that not every coach has the same level of say in who they schedule, some haven't earned it, some don't want it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

That was my point dumbass, that not every coach has the same level of say in who they schedule, some haven't earned it, some don't want it.

But to even suggest any coach has no say in their OOC schedule is bullshit.

 

[Rolltide94]

But to even suggest any coach has no say in their OOC schedule is bullshit.

Given, although I am sure there are coaches out there, even good ones, that desire very little input.

 

[trojanfan12]

All of which I agree with and contended. My entire premise is AD’s spend a vast majority on this and have the final say. These twits are trying to tell us HC’s have the final say, and one twit said HC’s are soley responsible. Truth is they probably consult with an AD in some small capacity but most all of scheduling falls in the lap of the AD.

I think coaches have more to do with scheduling than you say they do, but not as much as others.

I think that some of it also has to do with the coach himself and how badly the AD and school want to keep him around.

I know that, for example, during the Pete Carroll era, USC wasn't scheduling anything OOC without his ok and I'd be willing to bet that the same holds true at Alabama, Clemson, tOSU, etc.

They still aren't doing the actual scheduling, negotiating, etc., but there aren't games being scheduled that they don't want.

 

[trojanfan12]

Maybe to a degree, but there's no way Helton has Carroll level clout about who USC plays. If he went in and told Lynn Swann he wanted to play nothing but currently ranked teams, there might be the equivalent of a "whoa tiger slow your roll there big fella" out of Swann.

I agree. Coaches like Saban, Swinney, Carroll when he was at USC, have/had a lot of influence on the schedule. Other coaches, Like Helton, don't have that clout.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

I guess it's all relative, I've never seen an SEC team whose only win was over a winless FCS team....by 3. That's some next level shit there.

Man that's pretty harsh to call Arkansas out like that.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Given, although I am sure there are coaches out there, even good ones, that desire very little input.

Ohh I’m sure, but that is their doing. Not the AD telling them “I select the OOC games.”

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

Ohh I’m sure, but that is their doing. Not the AD telling them “I select the OOC games.”

And you know this how? Your zero experience working in college athletics?