a tougher out of conference schedule than Stanford?

[ralphiewvu]

Don’t matter who schedule ND for them if they still play them. They still scheduled Bama knowing they have ND the same year

Valid points

 

[socaljim242]

The only one living in make believe world is the guy who thinks coaches are responsible in helping AD's schedule OOC games. You literally have no clue all the variables that come into play when making schedules years in advance such as balancing level of competition, location, agreeability to opponents schedules, conference play, and financial contracts. If you think for a second that a head coach is involved in that shit given their job load then you my friend are dumber than I thought.

And yet Alabama year after year plays Chattanooga and Mercer and North Idaho State and miraculously hasnt gone on the road to play an out of conference game at that teams house in about seven years. Lol. Its just Sabans good luck.
Variables my ass. Lol.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

And yet Alabama year after year plays Chattanooga and Mercer and North Idaho State and miraculously hasnt gone on the road to play an out of conference game at that teams house in about seven years. Lol. Its just Sabans good luck.
Variables my ass. Lol.

JFC you’re a moron. That’s how you came to your conclusion? Never mind. Talking to a dolt. Take care.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

And you know Saban gets the final word how again?

Have you been drinking?

 

[NolePride]

Doesn't matter anymore. (May not ever have at Stanford.) Only TV revenue matters...stadiums can be completely emtpy as long as the TV money keeps rolling in.

On the surface, that's correct. But, teams need good attendance
and good traveling fan bases to garner bigger bowl bids.

Pac12 has worst bowl tie-ins than the ACC, and I didn't think that was
possible.

After the Rose, they sink to the Red Box, Vegas, Alamo, New Mexico, Sun and Holiday.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Ask DR about Gators OOC schedule ... he will provide data as to how the Gators OOC trumps your OOC lol

The last time Florida played a non-conference game outside of the state of Florida, in the regular season, was 1991 (they lost to Syracuse). Yes, 1991. Oh I forgot they lost to Michigan at ARLINGTON, TX in an OOC regular season game in 2017. That was the first OOC regular season game Florida has played out of the state of Florida since 1991.

 

[socaljim242]

JFC you’re a moron. That’s how you came to your conclusion? Never mind. Talking to a dolt. Take care.

Yeah keep telling us that coaches like urban and Saban have no say in the teams they get to pick to play . LOL. That they just sit on their hands and wait to see what the AD came up with. LOL. Comedy gold.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The only one living in make believe world is the guy who thinks coaches are responsible in helping AD's schedule OOC games. You literally have no clue all the variables that come into play when making schedules years in advance such as balancing level of competition, location, agreeability to opponents schedules, conference play, and financial contracts. If you think for a second that a head coach is involved in that shit given their job load then you my friend are dumber than I thought.

In what fucking world are you living in that coaches aren’t responsible for who they play OOC? You, my friend are the dolt an extremely more dumb than what I thought. Which really isn’t shocking.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

In what fucking world are you living in that coaches aren’t responsible for who they play OOC? You, my friend are the dolt an extremely more dumb than what I thought. Which really isn’t shocking.

Just so we're clear, in your slack jaw mind coaches are solely responsible for picking and choosing OOC games?

 

[7Samurai13]

Just so we're clear, in your slack jaw mind coaches are solely responsible for picking and choosing OOC games?

That’s about as stupid as thinking that long time coaches have no control over who they play out of conference.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

That’s about as stupid as thinking that long time coaches have no control over who they play out of conference.

You fucks keep moving the goal posts and live in the world of absolutes. You now throw in long time coaches and use that argument against me. I already said earlier I don't doubt AD's run past the timing of some games, especially the bigger the ones. But if you dumbasses think for a second HC's are getting in the nitty gritty of picking and choosing/negotiating OOC games then you all are grossly naive. Schedules take years to put together and scheduled years in advance, no head coach is grinding over making these tedious decisions. Sure they'll voice their opinion or give feedback, but like I've contended all along they aren't in the schedule making business.

 

[Deep Creek]

On the surface, that's correct. But, teams need good attendance
and good traveling fan bases to garner bigger bowl bids.

Pac12 has worst bowl tie-ins than the ACC, and I didn't think that was
possible.

After the Rose, they sink to the Red Box, Vegas, Alamo, New Mexico, Sun and Holiday.

I was being sarcastic regarding the TV revenue only mattering...at least to a point. Television is very often dictating kickoff time (and even date in some cases) and schools/conferences don't want/need the TV revenue so badly they are willing to give up on site attendance to any degree necessary.

And sometimes those bowl games are a chicken/egg situation regarding attendance. Give 'em a good one, they'll show up in droves.

Example: TCU has never had large enrollments and subsequently doesn't have a huge alumni base. Which means they don't have a big enough base to normally travel as well as institutions with historically larger enrollments that travel real well like a Texas or Oklahoma. But, if you dangle the Rose Bowl in front of them like 2010, they'll show just as well as any team that is known for historical travel. And they did so after a snub by the BCS.

 

[Across The Field]

That’s about as stupid as thinking that long time coaches have no control over who they play out of conference.

What do you mean by "control"? Are you saying the AD can have a home/home ready to be agreed to but the HC can come in and override it? Or are you saying the AD will get that coach's input on teams they'd like to see on the schedule in the future?

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

What do you mean by "control"? Are you saying the AD can have a home/home ready to be agreed to but the HC can come in and override it? Or are you saying the AD will get that coach's input on teams they'd like to see on the schedule in the future?

He says control, the Samuri guy says solely responsible... smh

 

[Rolltide94]

LOL. Im going back to 2000 not the 1920s and none of those SEC schools I mentioned have finished ranked more times than Oregon state fro 2000 to 2018. Which means while Oregon state has sucked recently those SEC teams have sucked the whole time. Add the fact that you pussies also regualry schedule Mercer and Chattanooga and the Citadel it's amazing these teams still couldn't find a way to being ranked at the end of the season.
And lets not get into how some SEC teams have not even played other SEC teams who joined the conference six years ago. LOL

Mercer, Chattanooga and the Citadel are all better teams than 2017 Oregon State, they also all beat teams that actually beat someone else. But continue to tell me how awesome 2000 Oregon State was. I will give them credit, it takes some work to only beat 1 conference opponent in two years, I think maybe they think they get a #1 pick or something. Hell, half the Big 10 has any many Pac-12 wins as Oregon St in two years, and at least one has 3. 17 of the other 53 P5 teams have as many Pac-12 wins as Oregon St and two have more, despite for the most part having 17 less opportunities to do so.

I'm not sure there has been a P5 team that has had a worse two-year run in a shittier conference.

 

[Deep Creek]

Mercer, Chattanooga and the Citadel are all better teams than 2017 Oregon State,

Tallest midget.

 

[Rolltide94]

Whats funny is every SEC honk goes straight to Oregon State when arguing about scheduling at the PAC. As if every team plays Oregon State every year. The way they tell it every PAC team plays Oregon State twice every year. They wont tell you is that SEC scheduling is so wacky that Georgia has yet to play Texas A&M since they joined the SEC six seasons ago. How do you not play a team in your conference once in six seasons? LOL

Would you like to compare 2nd shittiest teams, it's not like the Pac-12 has just has one shitty team. Perhaps you would like to discuss your record against other conferences, you guys haven't been above .500 in half a decade....of course, that would also be the case with USC...that's what happens in a one-team conference.

 

[Rolltide94]

Tallest midget.

indeed.

 

[trojanfan12]

You fucks keep moving the goal posts and live in the world of absolutes. You now throw in long time coaches and use that argument against me. I already said earlier I don't doubt AD's run past the timing of some games, especially the bigger the ones. But if you dumbasses think for a second HC's are getting in the nitty gritty of picking and choosing/negotiating OOC games then you all are grossly naive. Schedules take years to put together and scheduled years in advance, no head coach is grinding over making these tedious decisions. Sure they'll voice their opinion or give feedback, but like I've contended all along they aren't in the schedule making business.

Here's the thing...both sides are correct to a point.

Yes, most of these games are scheduled years in advance, but not all of them. Also, with few exceptions, both AD and coach assume they will still be there when the suggested/scheduled games are played.

Of course HC's aren't getting into the nitty gritty of picking the future opponents, negotiating the contracts, etc. They don't have the time for that kind of minutiae.

However, the AD absolutely will go to the coach and say "Here are some teams that have availability on these dates. Who do you think we should schedule?" Or "Hey, this team just contacted me about a game on this date. What do you think?"

It's also often times the head coach who sets the standard for how a team schedules. For example, when Pete Carroll took over at USC, he made it clear that he wanted to play better OOC competition and was willing to travel to do it. He did this to bring more recognition to the program and to expand USC's recruiting footprint.

So no, coaches aren't actually contacting other programs and scheduling games...but AD's aren't just scheduling whoever they want with no input from the HC either.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

Here's the thing...both sides are correct to a point.

Yes, most of these games are scheduled years in advance, but not all of them. Also, with few exceptions, both AD and coach assume they will still be there when games are suggested/scheduled.

Of course HC's aren't getting into the nitty gritty of picking the future opponents, negotiating the contracts, etc. They don't have the time for that kind of minutiae.

However, the AD absolutely will go to the coach and say "Here are some teams that have availability on these dates. Who do you think we should schedule?" Or "Hey, this team just contacted me about a game on this date. What do you think?"

It's also often times the head coach who sets the standard for how a team schedules. For example, when Pete Carroll took over at USC, he made it clear that he wanted to play better OOC competition and was willing to travel to do it. He did this to bring more recognition to the program and to expand USC's recruiting footprint.

So no, coaches aren't actually contacting other programs and scheduling games...but AD's aren't just scheduling whoever they want with no input from the HC either.

All of which I agree with and contended. My entire premise is AD’s spend a vast majority on this and have the final say. These twits are trying to tell us HC’s have the final say, and one twit said HC’s are soley responsible. Truth is they probably consult with an AD in some small capacity but most all of scheduling falls in the lap of the AD.