Bama's schedule is pretty bad but..

[4down20]

Being good enough or not to win an OOC is irrelevant my math is still correct and you are still wrong.

You claimed its 1 extra win when in reality this guarantees half the teams have an additional LOSS where playing an FCS you would have a 99% chance of a win instead.

seriously guy.

I know what you have "claimed" in the past about "writing scripts" you are full of yourself and not nearly as smart as you want people to believe.

REPLACE YOUR FCS GAME WITH A CONFERENCE GAME

I am right you are wrong - FACT

If you can't understand that conference records as a whole always equal out to .500 and that every extra conference game results in 7 wins and 7 losses(assuming 14 teams), then I really don't know what to tell you.

You seem to lack the ability to apply the math beyond a very specific cherry picked case, and then you ignore every other possibility and actual more likely result.

The extreme side of a conference that wins all games results in 7 losses difference, and the other extreme side where a conference losses all OOC games results in 7 wins difference. The reality is much closer to the middle.

It's not complicated, but please keep telling me I'm dumb when it comes to math.

As for those "scripts", I don't need to claim anything. It's common knowledge that I ran such a website that did those things. In fact, the entire way I found this website is because someone linked to that website from here and it showed up in the referral logs. I read the thread, there were some people who had questions and shit about it, so I signed up and started posting.

However, that's not even what I meant.

 

[NU_FTW]

If you can't understand that conference records as a whole always equal out to .500 and that every extra conference game results in 7 wins and 7 losses(assuming 14 teams), then I really don't know what to tell you.

This was NEVER the point of this and you know that, trying to cover for your inept math skills.

This was 100%, and i said so in the first place, about teams that have "winning records" it will affect SOR as a conference. Either you are that stupid or you are pretending to be a complete idiot... its one or the other thats a fact.

You seem to lack the ability to apply the math beyond a very specific cherry picked case, and then you ignore every other possibility and actual more likely result.

I am waiting for practical application on how my math was "cherry picked" when it was not cherry picked and actually broadly applies to the entire conference.

Another Swing and a miss.

The extreme side of a conference that wins all games results in 7 losses difference, and the other extreme side where a conference losses all OOC games results in 7 wins difference. The reality is much closer to the middle.

You are just spitting out nonsense now that you have been proven factually incorrect. You are attempting to make up facts here.

It's not complicated, but please keep telling me I'm dumb when it comes to math.

you are beyond bad at math.

As for those "scripts", I don't need to claim anything. It's common knowledge that I ran such a website that did those things. In fact, the entire way I found this website is because someone linked to that website from here and it showed up in the referral logs. I read the thread, there were some people who had questions and shit about it, so I signed up and started posting.

However, that's not even what I meant.

bla bla bla yea yea we have heard this song and dance before, not impressed.

All you know how to do is scream foul every time someone makes fun of BAMA and any SEC team.

You are still wrong.


Not only do you fail to realize strength of record, but the teams that lose will have their bowl hopes possibly lost too.

I thought i told you to stop posting until you could understand simple math....

 

[WizardHawk]

I agree 4 OOC games 3 G5 1 FCS. * game conference schedule reduces conference win loss records. Gauging SOS based on polls rather than the actual games played and teams schedules. Is closer to a beauty pageant than football. Unless teams play uniform schedules. Gauging SOS in the current format biased rankings decided by the AP/Coaches/committee..... is basically smoke and mirrors imo

Going with auto bids when no two conference play the same type of schedule, same number of teams in their own conf, and really only the B12 plays every team in theirs is just plain dumb.

There isn't anything close to balance in your proposal. In any way. Get lucky and miss the two biggest teams from the other division? Cool, you have an inside track to a free ride to the playoffs! Happen to play them? Sucks to be you. Your schedule dictates you have no real chance. Too bad.



It'e entirely dumb.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Going with auto bids when no two conference play the same type of schedule, same number of teams in their own conf, and really only the B12 plays every team in theirs is just plain dumb.

There isn't anything close to balance in your proposal. In any way. Get lucky and miss the two biggest teams from the other division? Cool, you have an inside track to a free ride to the playoffs! Happen to play them? Sucks to be you. Your schedule dictates you have no real chance. Too bad.



It'e entirely dumb.

We're always going to disagree on this. You will always prefer the teams be decided off the field. Using a format that resembles a beauty pageant. I prefer teams earn the right to be referred to as the best. And a system with a foundation built on the field. Rather than one rooted in off the field human influence. Whether you like it or not you already know that system answered every debate left open through the current format. Which is indisputable unlike the past selections.....Also raises actual SOS

 

[WizardHawk]

We're always going to disagree on this. You will always prefer the teams be decided off the field. Using a format that resembles a beauty pageant. I prefer teams earn the right to be referred to as the best. And a system with a foundation built on the field. Rather than one rooted in off the field human influence. Whether you like it or not you already know that system answered every debate left open through the current format. Which is indisputable unlike the past selections.....Also raises actual SOS

No, I prefer to not destroy the sport for no real reason.

I prefer not to hand out championships based off pure luck of the draw on completely imbalanced schedules.

I prefer not to make all OOC games exhibition. I actually like competition.

I prefer everyone to have to worry about every single down, every single play, in every single game. Not win or lose entirely based off luck of the draw on crappy schedule schemes.

That's the truth.

 

[4down20]

This was NEVER the point of this and you know that, trying to cover for your inept math skills.

This was 100%, and i said so in the first place, about teams that have "winning records" it will affect SOR as a conference. Either you are that stupid or you are pretending to be a complete idiot... its one or the other thats a fact.

Not really sure how you think you can claim having 1 less conference game are guaranteed wins is not related to the point.

I am waiting for practical application on how my math was "cherry picked" when it was not cherry picked and actually broadly applies to the entire conference.

Because you pretend every OOC game is automatically a win.

You are just spitting out nonsense now that you have been proven factually incorrect. You are attempting to make up facts here.

It's the same exact thing I say every single time this conversation comes up. I'm not making shit up.

you are beyond bad at math.

bla bla bla yea yea we have heard this song and dance before, not impressed.

All you know how to do is scream foul every time someone makes fun of BAMA and any SEC team.

You are still wrong.

Don't care.

Not only do you fail to realize strength of record, but the teams that lose will have their bowl hopes possibly lost too.

I thought i told you to stop posting until you could understand simple math....

Any method that uses win% as "SoR" or "SoS" is dumb. You apparently fail to realize that. A good formula can see team strength even in a loss.

Furthermore, if you had ever actually made any such formula you would never in a million years ask for more conference games, you'd hate conferences completely. All you are doing is creating a bigger regional bubble than already exists in college football which makes it more difficult to judge actual team strength. What is needed is not more links between conference teams, but more links between conferences so real team strength can be gauged.

But I mean, since I'm just full of shit and don't know anything bout formulas I must be making those kinds of issues up as well. Surely you having done absolutely fucking nothing towards the topic knows way more than I do.

Dumbass.

 

[NU_FTW]

Not really sure how you think you can claim having 1 less conference game are guaranteed wins is not related to the point.



Because you pretend every OOC game is automatically a win.




It's the same exact thing I say every single time this conversation comes up. I'm not making shit up.




Don't care.



Any method that uses win% as "SoR" or "SoS" is dumb. You apparently fail to realize that. A good formula can see team strength even in a lose.

Furthermore, if you had ever actually made any such formula you would never in a million years ask for more conference games, you'd hate conferences completely. All you are doing is creating a bigger regional bubble than already exists in college football which makes it more difficult to judge actual team strength. What is needed is not more links between conference teams, but more links between conferences so real team strength can be gauged.

But I mean, since I'm just full of shit and don't know anything bout formulas I must be making those kinds of issues up as well. Surely you having done absolutely fucking nothing towards the topic knows way more than I do.

Dumbass.

Hey dumbass i never said it guaranteed more wins, i said having 1 more conference game guarantees 1 more loss for half the conference!!

You are the one who said it gives 1 more win.

Keep up your inept math skills.

I didnt read your wall of text when the first words were incorrect, try starting out being factually accurate and i might reply to your whole post.

Based on the first paragraph/reply i am going to have to call your entire post crap/bullshit just like your math skills

 

[TheRobotDevil]

This was NEVER the point of this and you know that, trying to cover for your inept math skills.

This was 100%, and i said so in the first place, about teams that have "winning records" it will affect SOR as a conference. Either you are that stupid or you are pretending to be a complete idiot... its one or the other thats a fact.




I am waiting for practical application on how my math was "cherry picked" when it was not cherry picked and actually broadly applies to the entire conference.

Another Swing and a miss.


You are just spitting out nonsense now that you have been proven factually incorrect. You are attempting to make up facts here.


you are beyond bad at math.



bla bla bla yea yea we have heard this song and dance before, not impressed.

All you know how to do is scream foul every time someone makes fun of BAMA and any SEC team.

You are still wrong.


Not only do you fail to realize strength of record, but the teams that lose will have their bowl hopes possibly lost too.

I thought i told you to stop posting until you could understand simple math....

Simple math
9-0 is greater than 8-0

When playing a different amount of conference games. One would need a level platform. I could run 20 mathematical scenarios to make it appear one way or the other. But the simple math can not be disputed without skewing numbers. Which would be the conference loss differentials. Playing an 8 game conference schedule. And replacing conference game which results in a conference loss. With a game that is an easy win or holds no bearing on conference pads win total. While avoiding a conference loss.

You'll also see the 8 game schedule used to schedule more weaker teams in a lot of cases. Ie 2 G5's and an FCS. In order to boost everything "sos" "rankings" to bowl eligibility. While ducking a guaranteed loss. Especially in the you don't want 2 losses selection system

This is why you'll never see some of conferences that play an 8 game schedule go to 9. Makes the conference appear stronger. Too many teams cant survive the guaranteed loss in regards to bowl eligibility etc.....

 

[4down20]

Hey dumbass i never said it guaranteed more wins, i said having 1 more conference game guarantees 1 more loss for half the conference!!

You are the one who said it gives 1 more win.

It results in .500, which means if you are a conference that would lose all your OOC games, it results in more wins. If you are a conference that wins those games, it results in more loses.

You only want to acknowledged the 1 extreme end of it. So whatever, not sure what else there is to say.

Keep up your inept math skills.

I didnt read your wall of text when the first words were incorrect, try starting out being factually accurate and i might reply to your whole post.

Based on the first paragraph/reply i am going to have to call your entire post crap/bullshit just like your math skills

^thinks win% based formulas are good, tells me I'm bad at math.

Can't make this shit up.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

No, I prefer to not destroy the sport for no real reason.

I prefer not to hand out championships based off pure luck of the draw on completely imbalanced schedules.

I prefer not to make all OOC games exhibition. I actually like competition.

I prefer everyone to have to worry about every single down, every single play, in every single game. Not win or lose entirely based off luck of the draw on crappy schedule schemes.

That's the truth.

Yes you are correct Fresno State,Colorado State and Mercer. Are a much stronger OOC than Oklahoma,Army and UNLV......

Thats just one example. of a trend thats already leading to weak OOC's......

You may be set in your ways,like debates and polls. But thats not the best product. You cant refute that system. It literally answers every debate and question mark since the inception of the play offs

btw try using uniform as a verb......

None the less if you want meaningful regular season and post season games. You achieve that through progression. A system with sound guidelines. Not a system based on opinion .....

 

[NU_FTW]

It results in .500, which means if you are a conference that would lose all your OOC games, it results in more wins. If you are a conference that wins those games, it results in more loses.

You only want to acknowledged the 1 extreme end of it. So whatever, not sure what else there is to say.



^thinks win% based formulas are good, tells me I'm bad at math.

Can't make this shit up.

Dumbass obviously the CONFERENCE record would be .500 that is a no shit... you still cant see how it affects the entire conference.

Last year Every SEC team played and won (except floriduh's was canceled) their FCS game, replace that with a conference game and that is 7 less wins for the conference.

Der Der Der
so the entire winning percentage goes down as a whole for the confrence, not for conference games dumbass as nobody made mention to that being able to change.

last i checked you cant win 75% of a game...

You keep grasping at straws trying to cover up how you claimed it adds 1 more win..

Learn math then get back at me. Hell learn to read while you are at it you have yet to grasp one concept of any of my posts, you keep making shit up in your head going all the way back to my original post in here.

nuther' swing and a miss from the bama edubacated reject

 

[4down20]

Dumbass obviously the CONFERENCE record would be .500 that is a no shit... you still cant see how it affects the entire conference.

Last year Every SEC team played and won (except floriduh's was canceled) their FCS game, replace that with a conference game and that is 7 less wins for the conference.

Der Der Der
so the entire winning percentage goes down as a whole for the confrence, not for conference games dumbass as nobody made mention to that being able to change.

You keep grasping at straws trying to cover up how you claimed it adds 1 more win..

Learn math then get back at me. Hell learn to read while you are at it you have yet to grasp one concept of any of my posts, you keep making shit up in your head going all the way back to my original post in here.

nuther' swing and a miss from the bama edubacated reject

So now you are cherry picking the games that would be replaced on a 9 game conference schedule to all wins.

Just like I said, you only look at the one extreme.

 

[NU_FTW]

So now you are cherry picking the games that would be replaced on a 9 game conference schedule to all wins.

Just like I said, you only look at the one extreme.

I NEVER CHERRY PICKED YOU SIMPLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
Learn to read before you respond, maybe use a calculator while you are at it.


GO READ MY ORIGINAL COMMENT.


I said GET RID OF FCS GAMES AND GO TO A 9 GAME CONFERENCE SCHEDULE... HOW THE FUCK AM I CHERRY PICKING WHEN YOU ARE ARGUING WITH THAT STATEMENT????????



THAT ISNT YELLING BTW, I AM HOPING IN CAPS YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ AND COMPREHEND THE WORDS I AM TYPING


DUMBASS

 

[WizardHawk]

Yes you are correct Fresno State,Colorado State and Mercer. Are a much stronger OOC than Oklahoma,Army and UNLV......

Thats just one example. of a trend thats already leading to weak OOC's......

You may be set in your ways,like debates and polls. But thats not the best product. You cant refute that system. It literally answers every debate and question mark since the inception of the play offs

btw try using uniform as a verb......

None the less if you want meaningful regular season and post season games. You achieve that through progression. A system with sound guidelines. Not a system based on opinion .....

Difference between your OOC and the current one, is one doesn't mean anything. And it's fictitious. There is no coach in D1 that would be allowed to keep their job playing starters in an exhibition game that means nothing against a team that could injure their star players.

And that is non debatable. It's a fact. You want to entirely end OOC completely.

I'd prefer to have 12 games that mean something, not maybe 8 for some, 9 for others. I'd like a fair and balanced system, not one that gives away championships based off nothing but luck of the draw for your shit conf schedule.

No sir, your ideas are entirely lame and I want no part of it.

 

[Mistaken4193]

Play 9 conference games and get rid of FCS teams losing record pffft

Retard,Nick Saban is the only SEC Coach who votes for 9 conference games every year. Every other SEC coach votes against,Bama and Saban are the 1 program who shouldnt be blamed.

 

[NU_FTW]

Retard,Nick Saban is the only SEC Coach who votes for 9 conference games every year. Every other SEC coach votes against,Bama and Saban are the 1 program who shouldnt be blamed.

Does that 1 vote make my comment any less valid?

Nope didnt think so, thanks for playing retard

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Difference between your OOC and the current one, is one doesn't mean anything. And it's fictitious. There is no coach in D1 that would be allowed to keep their job playing starters in an exhibition game that means nothing against a team that could injure their star players.

And that is non debatable. It's a fact. You want to entirely end OOC completely.

I'd prefer to have 12 games that mean something, not maybe 8 for some, 9 for others. I'd like a fair and balanced system, not one that gives away championships based off nothing but luck of the draw for your shit conf schedule.

No sir, your ideas are entirely lame and I want no part of it.

Sure it does it’s ghe difference between. Playing an extra P5 conference team. In which an upset or loss is highly more likely. As well as using an extra OOC game which would add losses to conference. Ie the difference the dreaded 2nd loss and a padded win. While playing an FCS team and 2 G5’s.

Washington benefitted from a weak OIC under the current system . The system you prefer is literally the formula for teams playing weaker OOC games. The system Mistaken provided increased the meaning of games. The most impressive part is that 6 game auto bid system with the fail safe and set standards. Remove all the question marks that have plagued the current system. All the way back to year 1. Logically it’s indisputable. It can only be debated through semantics or opinion. Because it’s rooted in fact rather than debate. This is college football not a beauty contest decided by who the judges think look prettier.....

 

[4down20]

I NEVER CHERRY PICKED YOU SIMPLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
Learn to read before you respond, maybe use a calculator while you are at it.


GO READ MY ORIGINAL COMMENT.


I said GET RID OF FCS GAMES AND GO TO A 9 GAME CONFERENCE SCHEDULE... HOW THE FUCK AM I CHERRY PICKING WHEN YOU ARE ARGUING WITH THAT STATEMENT????????



THAT ISNT YELLING BTW, I AM HOPING IN CAPS YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ AND COMPREHEND THE WORDS I AM TYPING


DUMBASS

The point is you are still assuming all wins, and you are only doing the 1 conference, not that they are FCS or FBS. Surely you realize that FBS has cupcakes too right?

If 1 conference wins them all, then this.
If 1 conference loses them all, then this.

You: SEC wins them all, that's the only possible outcome and blah blah blah. Let's just completely ignore the effects adding conference games has for other conferences.

 

[WizardHawk]

Sure it does it’s ghe difference between. Playing an extra P5 conference team. In which an upset or loss is highly more likely. As well as using an extra OOC game which would add losses to conference. Ie the difference the dreaded 2nd loss and a padded win. While playing an FCS team and 2 G5’s.

Washington benefitted from a weak OIC under the current system . The system you prefer is literally the formula for teams playing weaker OOC games. The system Mistaken provided increased the meaning of games. The most impressive part is that 6 game auto bid system with the fail safe and set standards. Remove all the question marks that have plagued the current system. All the way back to year 1. Logically it’s indisputable. It can only be debated through semantics or opinion. Because it’s rooted in fact rather than debate. This is college football not a beauty contest decided by who the judges think look prettier.....

Bullshit. There's nothing weaker than they literally mean nothing.

Bama playing Mercer now is better than Bama playing Oklahoma when neither team puts a single name you've ever heard of in it. Ever again.

I'd much rather have at least SOME really good OOC than literally ZERO ever again. You want to eliminate anything other than imbalanced schedules that reward whichever team is lucky enough to be on a year where they miss the harder players from the other division.

You haven't once EVER answered to that because you can't without blowing auto bids up completely.

14 teams conferences that play 8 games miss 5 teams every year. And none from the same division miss the same 5. Yet you want to treat a win against Vandy as the same as a win again Georgia. There isn't anyone in their right mind that thinks those two games should be counted as the same. It kills anything close to fairness.

It's pure dumb.

 

[4down20]

Bullshit. There's nothing weaker than they literally mean nothing.

Bama playing Mercer now is better than Bama playing Oklahoma when neither team puts a single name you've ever heard of in it. Ever again.

I'd much rather have at least SOME really good OOC than literally ZERO ever again. You want to eliminate anything other than imbalanced schedules that reward whichever team is lucky enough to be on a year where they miss the harder players from the other division.

You haven't once EVER answered to that because you can't without blowing auto bids up completely.

14 teams conferences that play 8 games miss 5 teams every year. And none from the same division miss the same 5. Yet you want to treat a win against Vandy as the same as a win again Georgia. There isn't anyone in their right mind that thinks those two games should be counted as the same. It kills anything close to fairness.

It's pure dumb.

I read earlier today that Greg McElroy was previously arguing for "conference champions" in the playoffs etc.

Then someone gave him a list of teams that would be playing in the conference championship as a result of divisions, and what could be a possible playoff of:

Alabama or Georgia
Pitt
Utah
Northwestern

He basically said "Yeah, that won't do" and had to completely walk back on supporting such a system.

Of course that is unlikely to happen because better teams will win most of the time, but still - that's the kind of possible playoff people are asking for. And they claim these kinds of things bring better results. Nonsense.

That shit would never and will never happen in the current not broken format.