politics thread

[Sharkinva]

I am hoping by page 1000 we have all these issues fixed.

I figure all this will be figured out some where around 2060, President Ortega-Valdez will solve all this shit, and his wife Salimah will be an Awesome first lady to boot.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am probably more worried about which one of coach's DBs is going to replace Darrell Green or was it Mike Bass. Oh hell I will just wait and see how it turns out.

 

[Skins2021]

See what Im getting from all this is, conservatives want to live and let live.. as long as you are willing to live in a way that does not offend us.

same can be said about liberals... I mean just look at the state of free speech today. Its not "cool" to be a white christian male republican in their early 30s in 2018..... da fuq???

~side note if GOP kicked out the Mcconnell and Ted Cruzes of the world and adapted to gay marriage rights/all rights, pro choice, and weed (which I favor all 3 despite party lines) they would never lose another election....

I find that the left winged voting platform is much much more shallow and superficial then right winged platform

 

[ehb5]

time and time again you hold liberal positions period . anyone wanting HRC making supreme court pick knowing what that would do to conservative idealogy certainly isnt following conservative view points

you may think you are conservative but in reality you are far more liberal in your politics based on what you have written here

a conservative might be pro choice or pro life based on govts role but he damn sure isnt going to say trumps tax cuts are garbage and he hasnt done anything good isnt . sayimg illegal immigration is good and we should have no border security isnt a conservative position

calling the IG report a "republican report " isnt a conservative position , sorry you might belive you are conservative but your written positions say otherwise

Uhhhh no. I think i have only stated one position that could be taken as liberal which is that im pro immigration. (Not pro open borders as you love to claim)

If you think a conservative cant have some more left leaning views than that means you want conservatives to be sheep that just follow orders and dont think on their own. Having a variety of opinions is ok.

I never said the tax cuts were garbage or that he hadnt done anything good. This is your problem. I dont know if its intentional or not but you debate against people that dont exist. I disagree with you on some things so you draw up this fantasy where im some evil indoctrinated liberal.

You are CONSTANTLY misstating my views. You are either not reading what i am writing or you feel the need (whether conscious or unconscious) to completly make up and restate what i am arguing in order to make yourself feel better about arguing against my points and to avoid admitting you might be wrong.

You need to actually read what i write and stop trying to misrepresent it. Be honest.

 

[skinsdad62]

Uhhhh no. I think i have only stated one position that could be taken as liberal which is that im pro immigration. (Not pro open borders as you love to claim)

If you think a conservative cant have some more left leaning views than that means you want conservatives to be sheep that just follow orders and dont think on their own. Having a variety of opinions is ok.

I never said the tax cuts were garbage or that he hadnt done anything good. This is your problem. I dont know if its intentional or not but you debate against people that dont exist. I disagree with you on some things so you draw up this fantasy where im some evil indoctrinated liberal.

You are CONSTANTLY misstating my views. You are either not reading what i am writing or you feel the need (whether conscious or unconscious) to completly make up and restate what i am arguing in order to make yourself feel better about arguing against my points and to avoid admitting you might be wrong.

You need to actually read what i write and stop trying to misrepresent it. Be honest.

no one wants anybody to be a sheep but over and over again from HRC investigations , to trump investigations to border policy you have taken liberal positions

you quote liberal web sites and when challenged on who finances them you said george soros isnt the boogey man
no conservative with any sense buys that

if you come out with evidence like illegals cost us more to keep them then not to have them you question the facts and defend them that isnt conservative

my position isnt straight down conservative . give me the wall /border security , give me e verify , end sanctuary cities and states and i will give you complete amnesty of all who are here illegally with no right to citizenship except their native born US children . that way no political party gets a "voting windfall "

now if you want to be a trump hater and never trumper then fine . but do you wish to see a liberal supreme court because of your never trump attitude ? a conservative libertarian shouldnt be happy with that at all . do you believe there should be a litmus test for a supreme court judge ?

and last but not least what is the hard evidence that led to trumps "investigation " what was the spark ? what led them to think he was colluding ?

 

[Sharkinva]

and last but not least what is the hard evidence that led to trumps "investigation " what was the spark ? what led them to think he was colluding ?

Might it be that we knew Russia was attempting to interfere in our election??

Look I know you want to roll with the witch hunt line of thinking. But shouldnt the real issue be finding out the truth, on just how much Russia meddled in our elections. Finding anyone who was involved, and making sure this doesnt happen again??

 

[ehb5]

no one wants anybody to be a sheep but over and over again from HRC investigations , to trump investigations to border policy you have taken liberal positions

you quote liberal web sites and when challenged on who finances them you said george soros isnt the boogey man
no conservative with any sense buys that

if you come out with evidence like illegals cost us more to keep them then not to have them you question the facts and defend them that isnt conservative

my position isnt straight down conservative . give me the wall /border security , give me e verify , end sanctuary cities and states and i will give you complete amnesty of all who are here illegally with no right to citizenship except their native born US children . that way no political party gets a "voting windfall "

now if you want to be a trump hater and never trumper then fine . but do you wish to see a liberal supreme court because of your never trump attitude ? a conservative libertarian shouldnt be happy with that at all . do you believe there should be a litmus test for a supreme court judge ?

and last but not least what is the hard evidence that led to trumps "investigation " what was the spark ? what led them to think he was colluding ?

You say you dont want anybody to be a sheep but you wont accept anything less than agreement on every issue.

Also there arent conservative and liberal positions on investigations. Theres the truth. Im not saying i know the truth with 100% certainty but i am saying that my being a conservative should never influence how i feel about the legitimacy of an investigation.

You seem to believe that conservatives are a team and that they have to stick together as the republican party and fight the liberals but that's a really bad way to look at it.

I quoted reputable sites. If you have a problem with that thats on you. It doesnt make me an iota less conservative.

Soros isnt the boogeyman. And thinking he is has nothing to do with being a conservative whatsoever.

No i don't wish to see a liberal supreme court. I still didn't vote for trump. Maybe that should tell you something about trump. Thats the thing. The never trumpers (yes im a never trumper) were all well aware of how awful a candidate hillary was. And yet we chose not to vote for trump anyways. What does that tell you?

The starting point into the campaign seems to be papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that russia had dirt on hillary.

Also you seem to be viewing politics as a team sport where i have to defend "my side" at all costs and hate the other side. But that's a large part of what got us into this mess. You need to seperate the truth from your beliefs. You can be a conservative and hold some liberal views. And you SHOULD be a more interested in the truth and being objective than in defending your party or "team".

 

[Sportster 72]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/

 

[skinsdad62]

Might it be that we knew Russia was attempting to interfere in our election??

Look I know you want to roll with the witch hunt line of thinking. But shouldnt the real issue be finding out the truth, on just how much Russia meddled in our elections. Finding anyone who was involved, and making sure this doesnt happen again??

so he knew they were attempting it , something obama knew , so simply knowing they were trying like 100's of millions of people knew makes that the grounds for investigating him ? but selling uranium to the russians precludes HRC from an investigation on that ?

let me clear it up for you shark , russia has meddled in our elections since 1917 . this isnt new .

what is new is the democratic campaign didnt secure their servers and they got hacked .

wikileaks released some emails and founder julian assange has been on the record as saying it wasnt the russians .

how much can they meddle well since i am in fact an election certifier here in MI you cant hack into the machines . they arent on the internet

so now you have them playing both sides of the fence on social media

now what did russia get for this so called collusion ? they got their ally syria bombed by a moab ,

they got the US shipping weapons to the ukraine ,

they got trump down the germans throat for making a natural gas deal with the country we are supposed to be protecting them from , and they got more sanctions placed on them and some diplomats kicked out

now imagine the russian economy and sphere of influence within nato would look like if we supplied the natural gas ? what does that do to their economy and influence over germany ?

and of course the obama hot mike incident with the more flexibility after the election comment doesnt wreak of any collusion now does it . . maybe that was a green light to invade crimea? and ukraine ?

 

[skinsdad62]

You say you dont want anybody to be a sheep but you wont accept anything less than agreement on every issue.

Also there arent conservative and liberal positions on investigations. Theres the truth. Im not saying i know the truth with 100% certainty but i am saying that my being a conservative should never influence how i feel about the legitimacy of an investigation.

You seem to believe that conservatives are a team and that they have to stick together as the republican party and fight the liberals but that's a really bad way to look at it.

I quoted reputable sites. If you have a problem with that thats on you. It doesnt make me an iota less conservative.

Soros isnt the boogeyman. And thinking he is has nothing to do with being a conservative whatsoever.

No i don't wish to see a liberal supreme court. I still didn't vote for trump. Maybe that should tell you something about trump. Thats the thing. The never trumpers (yes im a never trumper) were all well aware of how awful a candidate hillary was. And yet we chose not to vote for trump anyways. What does that tell you?

The starting point into the campaign seems to be papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that russia had dirt on hillary.

Also you seem to be viewing politics as a team sport where i have to defend "my side" at all costs and hate the other side. But that's a large part of what got us into this mess. You need to seperate the truth from your beliefs. You can be a conservative and hold some liberal views. And you SHOULD be a more interested in the truth and being objective than in defending your party or "team".

it tells me you were foolish . and who was papdopoulus ? a nobody from the campaign who ended up having nothing

your sources were not credible they are financed by george soros or come from ultra left websites

 

[Sharkinva]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/

Oh we fittin' to totally shatter those numbers.

 

[skinsdad62]

i dont consider the george soros financed left wing snopes a reliable fact checker to begin with . catch and release isnt putting them on a bus and driving them back to mexico , catch and release is catching them here , giving them a court date , and hope they show up in court for their hearing . good thing about 8% do

 

[gkekoa]

Oh we fittin' to totally shatter those numbers.

Let’s hope so.

 

[Sharkinva]

so he knew they were attempting it , something obama knew , so simply knowing they were trying like 100's of millions of people knew makes that the grounds for investigating him ? but selling uranium to the russians precludes HRC from an investigation on that ?

let me clear it up for you shark , russia has meddled in our elections since 1917 . this isnt new .

what is new is the democratic campaign didnt secure their servers and they got hacked .

wikileaks released some emails and founder julian assange has been on the record as saying it wasnt the russians .

how much can they meddle well since i am in fact an election certifier here in MI you cant hack into the machines . they arent on the internet

so now you have them playing both sides of the fence on social media

now what did russia get for this so called collusion ? they got their ally syria bombed by a moab ,

they got the US shipping weapons to the ukraine ,

they got trump down the germans throat for making a natural gas deal with the country we are supposed to be protecting them from , and they got more sanctions placed on them and some diplomats kicked out

now imagine the russian economy and sphere of influence within nato would look like if we supplied the natural gas ? what does that do to their economy and influence over germany ?

and of course the obama hot mike incident with the more flexibility after the election comment doesnt wreak of any collusion now does it . . maybe that was a green light to invade crimea? and ukraine ?

Dude.. you cant be that hook line and sinker.

What Russia got more than anything else is

An America divided along party lines.

America and NATO on questionable footing.

America being the aggressor in trade wars.

And a situation where America is questioning the integrity of its OWN DOJ and the FBI.

Keep toting the party line and blaming Obama and Clinton. But the reality is, we are where we are with Trump at the helm.

 

[Sharkinva]

Let’s hope so.

Yea.. got to maintain that balance after all.

 

[skinsdad62]

Let’s hope so.

i would agree

 

[Sportster 72]

Oh we fittin' to totally shatter those numbers.

Could be, the numbers increased under Bush the 2nd, Obama and may well increase under Trump. My bigger point is there are two sides to every story and each side is going to represent the one that they agree with.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dude.. you cant be that hook line and sinker.

What Russia got more than anything else is

An America divided along party lines.

America and NATO on questionable footing.

America being the aggressor in trade wars.

And a situation where America is questioning the integrity of its OWN DOJ and the FBI.

Keep toting the party line and blaming Obama and Clinton. But the reality is, we are where we are with Trump at the helm.

was divided already . in fact there has been no reaching across party lines since clinton and gingrich
several american presidents have sqawked about paying their fair share to incude Obama who in fact got the 2 % gdp figure passed

america should be the aggressor in these not happened yet trade wars . we have been getting a raw deal since ww2 . we pay 70% of nato costs and about the same in UN cost with very little to show for it and again numerous presidents have talked about fixing the trade imbalance yet none has done anything

 

[Sharkinva]

Could be, the numbers increased under Bush the 2nd, Obama and may well increase under Trump. My bigger point is there are two sides to every story and each side is going to represent the one that they agree with.

The problem is, we are getting to a point where its not about compromise.. its win or lose politics, and people have chosen their sides. And I will stop there, cause I dont want to offend anyone.

 

[Sportster 72]

You shouldn't stop there. I just watched some of the hearing today. How sad? We the people have become like this, the congress has become like this and IMO the last two presidents have been like this. You are either right or wrong. I long for the days when Tip O'Neal and President Reagan sniped at each other all day long then had a drink together that evening and found a way to work things out as best as possible.

I have watched some of your debate for some time here. I know you are smart people. The truth is none of you are right and none of you are wrong but the answer has to be somewhere in the middle. Well that is my opinion.