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it's not ludicrous and the stats through their first two seasons says as much. Your agenda remains to not let this die and you just can't wait to see how this turns out. Your agenda is trying your hardest to make it seem like it's ludicrous (your word) when the only person being ludicrous about the topic is YOU. It's ludicrous (your word) to compare Corey Clement to Elliott when Elliott lead the league in rushing his rookie season. Dak was rookie of the year the same year your guy was a rookie. Dak rated top 15 in the players vote for best players and received votes for MVP the same year while you claim he has a noodle are and will never ever accomplish what Wentz did in 12 games. You remain nothing but an agenda pounding the same bull shit day after day and crying like a 3 year old cause stats don't back up your claim. If you were so sure about the bull shit you've spewed about Prescott, you'd just shut the hell up and let what you think is enviable happen.

Pound away....it's your agenda to be a pain in the ass
Pretty clear it's a tale of two QBs going in opposite directions. Dak has been the beneficiary of one of the best TEs of all-time, a top 3 OL in the league, one of the best WRs of the last decade, and arguably the best RB in the NFL right now. He came on his rookie year and stole the ROY from Zeke, who was significantly more deserving, but wasn't as good of a story since Dak was a later round pick.

He had a solid rookie year and took an enormous step back last year. Wentz, basically the opposite. You can't honestly sit there and say without homer glasses that you'd take Dak over Wentz long-term. Now THAT would be ludicrous.
 

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I dont think Dak is bad at all. I think he is actually good. I think everybody did have Wentz in there top 10 on this thread... and atleast I went to college. I couldnt imagine the embarrassment of running around life without a college degree.
Wow, that's a pretty offensive, arrogant comment. You seem to portray yourself over and over as having a strong social conscience, but it all goes out the window when you get into a disagreement and lash out with what I can only assume are your true feelings. Hopefully as I read on I will see you apologize to him and others for that one and especially to those who chose the Military instead. Not cool.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeming Brees get the MVP once in his career. He has been 2nd best a few times, I think
Interesting, I would have guessed he won the MVP at least once
 

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Wow, that's a pretty offensive, arrogant comment. You seem to portray yourself over and over as having a strong social conscience, but it all goes out the window when you get into a disagreement and lash out with what I can only assume are your true feelings. Hopefully as I read on I will see you apologize to him and others for that one and especially to those who chose the Military instead. Not cool.
Plenty of people I know who have a college degree who are about as useless as a soup sandwich.
 

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Wow, that's a pretty offensive, arrogant comment. You seem to portray yourself over and over as having a strong social conscience, but it all goes out the window when you get into a disagreement and lash out with what I can only assume are your true feelings. Hopefully as I read on I will see you apologize to him and others for that one and especially to those who chose the Military instead. Not cool.
That comment had no effect on me. He's an Educated Idiot, at least I didn't waste my parents money.
 

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Pretty clear it's a tale of two QBs going in opposite directions. Dak has been the beneficiary of one of the best TEs of all-time, a top 3 OL in the league, one of the best WRs of the last decade, and arguably the best RB in the NFL right now. He came on his rookie year and stole the ROY from Zeke, who was significantly more deserving, but wasn't as good of a story since Dak was a later round pick.

He had a solid rookie year and took an enormous step back last year. Wentz, basically the opposite. You can't honestly sit there and say without homer glasses that you'd take Dak over Wentz long-term. Now THAT would be ludicrous.
not really true:

Did Dak really have one of the best TEs of all time? Or did he have Witten at the tail end of his career when he was no longer anywhere near that player.

Did Dak really have one of the best WRs of the last decade? Or did he have a Dez that couldn't get open, dropped passes and after becoming a FA no one seems to want him or at least give him a salary that would justify your comment about him being one of the best of the last decade. Do you know what his QB rating was throwing to Dez versus everyone else?

Dallas OL was not very good last year.

It's funny how people talk about Dak going the wrong way like it is some kind of trend. it was one year and there was little chance for him to play as well as year one. Who knows, maybe he just had the worst year of his career and yet still went 9-7 while playing with an injured LT and RT for pretty much the entire year for a team with an average at best defense and playing with RBs that are having trouble making anyone else's team for half the year and with a receiving corps that many are saying absolutely sucks? So maybe he wasn't too bad last year. Regardless, it's not expected to see him take a step back after what was widely called one of the best rookie QB seasons ever. That very well could end up his best year ever. But, he is a good QB who was in a bad spot last year.
 

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Pretty clear it's a tale of two QBs going in opposite directions. Dak has been the beneficiary of one of the best TEs of all-time, a top 3 OL in the league, one of the best WRs of the last decade, and arguably the best RB in the NFL right now. He came on his rookie year and stole the ROY from Zeke, who was significantly more deserving, but wasn't as good of a story since Dak was a later round pick.

He had a solid rookie year and took an enormous step back last year. Wentz, basically the opposite. You can't honestly sit there and say without homer glasses that you'd take Dak over Wentz long-term. Now THAT would be ludicrous.

I agree with the top 3 OL. As for the TE and WR being b.c. the best not so much. Witten and Dez have not been one of the for a few years now. Father time has caught Witten and Dez hasn't played all the great since his injury.
 

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This thread is pretty much a great microcosm of this board or really any internet board. OP asks for people's individual opinions on what their own top 10 is for this one season. Others read the opinions and get all bent out of shape and start telling them why their personal opinion was wrong because they aren't happy with where "their guy" is ranked. Such insecurity or arrogance, not sure which. Who cares what Joe internet thinks? So many are basing their thoughts on one season and ignoring the seasons before that like typical internet boards see. So go back 12 months and think of what you would have said if someone stated Goff would have a better season than Aaron Rodgers in 2017. Guess what???
 

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not really true:

Did Dak really have one of the best TEs of all time? Or did he have Witten at the tail end of his career when he was no longer anywhere near that player.

Did Dak really have one of the best WRs of the last decade? Or did he have a Dez that couldn't get open, dropped passes and after becoming a FA no one seems to want him or at least give him a salary that would justify your comment about him being one of the best of the last decade. Do you know what his QB rating was throwing to Dez versus everyone else?

Dallas OL was not very good last year.

It's funny how people talk about Dak going the wrong way like it is some kind of trend. it was one year and there was little chance for him to play as well as year one. Who knows, maybe he just had the worst year of his career and yet still went 9-7 while playing with an injured LT and RT for pretty much the entire year for a team with an average at best defense and playing with RBs that are having trouble making anyone else's team for half the year and with a receiving corps that many are saying absolutely sucks? So maybe he wasn't too bad last year. Regardless, it's not expected to see him take a step back after what was widely called one of the best rookie QB seasons ever. That very well could end up his best year ever. But, he is a good QB who was in a bad spot last year.
I think he showed what he was made of when Zeke went out. He had a great game against the Giants, who were one of the 3 worst pass defenses in the league. He threw 2 TDs against a decent Washington pass defense, but also went 11/22 for 102 yards. He looks like shit against Philly, LAC, Oakland, and Atlanta. It's not a coincidence that over half of his INTs came in those 6 games Zeke missed, while only 5 of his 22 TDs came in that same stretch.

I wouldn't say Witten was "no longer anywhere near that player". He was still healthy, his route-running and hands were solid, and he was still a solid blocker. However, fair point that he was obviously on the decline.

Dez, I'm not sure what happened. He's still in his prime (just turned 29 last November), and the chemistry simply wasn't there. Per Pro Football Focus: "PFF deemed 40 of Prescott's 112 targets of Bryant uncatchable. And the receiver's batted down several other near-interceptions from the defensive backs guarding him." So you can't sit there and say it's all on Dez.

The Dallas OL ranked 4th in the league last year.

This year will be a major prove-it year for him. Losing Witten's leadership and Dez's play-making ability and ability to make teams have to scheme for him will be HUGE. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
 

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Pretty clear it's a tale of two QBs going in opposite directions. Dak has been the beneficiary of one of the best TEs of all-time, a top 3 OL in the league, one of the best WRs of the last decade, and arguably the best RB in the NFL right now. He came on his rookie year and stole the ROY from Zeke, who was significantly more deserving, but wasn't as good of a story since Dak was a later round pick.

He had a solid rookie year and took an enormous step back last year. Wentz, basically the opposite. You can't honestly sit there and say without homer glasses that you'd take Dak over Wentz long-term. Now THAT would be ludicrous.
I don't know what to tell you dude other than it's your opinion.

I know I hate people who down grade a QB because he had people around him that were good. It's a QB league and always will be...The QB stirs the drink. Aikman was also a beneficiary, as was Montana, Bradshaw, Staubach, Starr and many more Hall of Fame QB's. Elway never won it all before getting the RB. Your logic sucks here.

You can talk about not having Elliott made Prescott's game slip and your just showing your Ohio Sate homerism. Every Cowboy fan knows from watching this team last year it was lack of oline depth when Smith went down. Cowboy fans know Dak was sacked 32 times and harassed countless other times when he set his feet to throw the ball. As you ignored in the other thread....Dallas was 3-3 without Elliott and 5-4 with Elliott. They lost three in a row when Smith didn't play and Prescott about got killed. See the Atlanta game and tell me it was because Elliott didn't play. Wentz has a pretty good supporting cast as well, actually better than Dallas as we sit here today. All they did when he went down was win the championship.

Now as to long term....I can't say. All I'm saying is through two seasons, Prescott has been as good if not better than Wentz. Wentz should be better, he was the second overall pick in the draft, but that hasn't shown just yet. Maybe that becomes clearer in the coming seasons, maybe it won't.

Now do what you do best when your hot sports opinion is challenged. Rate this post as bull shit
 

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I think he showed what he was made of when Zeke went out. He had a great game against the Giants, who were one of the 3 worst pass defenses in the league. He threw 2 TDs against a decent Washington pass defense, but also went 11/22 for 102 yards. He looks like shit against Philly, LAC, Oakland, and Atlanta. It's not a coincidence that over half of his INTs came in those 6 games Zeke missed, while only 5 of his 22 TDs came in that same stretch.

I wouldn't say Witten was "no longer anywhere near that player". He was still healthy, his route-running and hands were solid, and he was still a solid blocker. However, fair point that he was obviously on the decline.

Dez, I'm not sure what happened. He's still in his prime (just turned 29 last November), and the chemistry simply wasn't there. Per Pro Football Focus: "PFF deemed 40 of Prescott's 112 targets of Bryant uncatchable. And the receiver's batted down several other near-interceptions from the defensive backs guarding him." So you can't sit there and say it's all on Dez.

The Dallas OL ranked 4th in the league last year.

This year will be a major prove-it year for him. Losing Witten's leadership and Dez's play-making ability and ability to make teams have to scheme for him will be HUGE. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
Did you see the OL in some of those games when Smith was out? The Atlanta game would have put a lesser man in the hospital or left shell-shocked for years. Witten was VERY slow the last couple of years. Still had the hands and you could rely on him which was huge but he was running in molasses. In addition to the other issues Dez was just never where he was supposed to be and he never made a catch that wasn't "easy". This is why he was going to hire a route coach and one of the reasons he was let go. Watch the games. It was Dez more than Dak and by a mile. The OL was good in spots, great in spots and horrible in spots. No way they were 4th best in the league. Daks elusiveness and ability to get rid of the ball quickly or while under duress kept the "stats" for the OL looking much better than they were. But I expect the OL to be #1 or real close to it this year so that won't be a crutch to hide behind in 2018.

Dak needs to improve on a lot of things. He will never be an Aaron Rodgers but no one will be. He can be a very good QB in this league. Like all players he needs to show he can do it year after year, not 1 out of every 2 years. But he is a winner who doesn't fold under pressure. I agree on your last comment. He needs to be better than last year and you can say he needs to be much better, but he was not that bad. The reasons I stated weren't meant to be excuses to justify his "average" play, but rather reasons why I think he will indeed be better. This is a big year for him. He needs to show he can be "the man" and justify why the Cowboys are building around him right now, and not Zeke, because they are and we will find out in the next couple of years whether that is the right or wrong decision. Luckily he is insanely cheap and by the time they need to give him $25M - $30M per year they will know if he is worth it or not.
 

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I don't know what to tell you dude other than it's your opinion.

I know I hate people who down grade a QB because he had people around him that were good. It's a QB league and always will be...The QB stirs the drink. Aikman was also a beneficiary, as was Montana, Bradshaw, Staubach, Starr and many more Hall of Fame QB's. Elway never won it all before getting the RB. Your logic sucks here.

You can talk about not having Elliott made Prescott's game slip and your just showing your Ohio Sate homerism. Every Cowboy fan knows from watching this team last year it was lack of oline depth when Smith went down. Cowboy fans know Dak was sacked 32 times and harassed countless other times when he set his feet to throw the ball. As you ignored in the other thread....Dallas was 3-3 without Elliott and 5-4 with Elliott. They lost three in a row when Smith didn't play and Prescott about got killed. See the Atlanta game and tell me it was because Elliott didn't play. Wentz has a pretty good supporting cast as well, actually better than Dallas as we sit here today. All they did when he went down was win the championship.

Now as to long term....I can't say. All I'm saying is through two seasons, Prescott has been as good if not better than Wentz. Wentz should be better, he was the second overall pick in the draft, but that hasn't shown just yet. Maybe that becomes clearer in the coming seasons, maybe it won't.

Now do what you do best when your hot sports opinion is challenged. Rate this post as bull shit
LOL right, me saying Zeke was clearly the best player on the offense ONLY shows OSU homerism. Get the fuck out with that nonsense. Comparing all-time great QBs with a dude who has played 2 seasons and only had one good one is the real homerism here.

My logic is spot on. Dak is a product of Zeke. In Zeke's absence, Dak won 3 games over teams that were a combined 16-32. They were dismantled against the 3 real teams they played, averaging 7 points per game. Everyone who isn't a Cowboy's homer knows Dak is no more than Robin to Zeke's Batman. I already showed that Dallas had the 4th best OL in the league last year so seriously, that's a garbage excuse as well.

Wentz is better. If you can find even a single reputable NFL analyst that would take Dak over Zeke, you let me know. I wasn't a fan of Dak's his rookie year, either, and he was put in about as good of a position as a rookie QB could possibly be put in. Their arrows are pointing in opposite directions and I see no reason to think that doesn't continue this year.
 

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Did you see the OL in some of those games when Smith was out? The Atlanta game would have put a lesser man in the hospital or left shell-shocked for years. Witten was VERY slow the last couple of years. Still had the hands and you could rely on him which was huge but he was running in molasses. In addition to the other issues Dez was just never where he was supposed to be and he never made a catch that wasn't "easy". This is why he was going to hire a route coach and one of the reasons he was let go. Watch the games. It was Dez more than Dak and by a mile. The OL was good in spots, great in spots and horrible in spots. No way they were 4th best in the league. Daks elusiveness and ability to get rid of the ball quickly or while under duress kept the "stats" for the OL looking much better than they were. But I expect the OL to be #1 or real close to it this year so that won't be a crutch to hide behind in 2018.

Dak needs to improve on a lot of things. He will never be an Aaron Rodgers but no one will be. He can be a very good QB in this league. Like all players he needs to show he can do it year after year, not 1 out of every 2 years. But he is a winner who doesn't fold under pressure. I agree on your last comment. He needs to be better than last year and you can say he needs to be much better, but he was not that bad. The reasons I stated weren't meant to be excuses to justify his "average" play, but rather reasons why I think he will indeed be better. This is a big year for him. He needs to show he can be "the man" and justify why the Cowboys are building around him right now, and not Zeke, because they are and we will find out in the next couple of years whether that is the right or wrong decision. Luckily he is insanely cheap and by the time they need to give him $25M - $30M per year they will know if he is worth it or not.
Smith is elite, but so is the interior of the line. You can't blame them because they went from being arguably the best OL in the NFL to maybe being fringe top 10 when Smith was hurt. That's a lousy excuse honestly. Deshaun Watson was putting up amazing numbers with the worst OL in the entire NFL, and he was a rookie who would've killed to have Zeke for even 10 games like Dak did.

We'll see what happens with Dez. He'll get signed likely later this month. I find it hard to believe that he simply forgot how to play WR when he was elite for several years. I did watch several Cowboys games, and it was a mixed bag. What was the clearest, especially after having watched Dez with Romo, is that there was no chemistry there - and that's on the QB to get sorted out.

I 100% agree with everything you said in your second paragraph. I think this is the season that dictates Dak's next contract. He isn't going to have elite WRs to play with, but he does have an elite OL and an elite RB that will help with the WR group tremendously. If he duplicates 2017, I think Dallas is looking at QBs in the 2019 draft. Dak is insanely cheap right now, but I think he might be the biggest enigma at QB in the NFL.
 

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People can say he isn’t top 10... pretty ridiculous if you’re being objective but when people rank Goff ahead of him that’s just as ridiculous.
You are literally jumping up and down cursing saying “Wentz isn’t better then Dak” Fucking unbelievable. He’s going to be fine. He might struggle early this year... but he’ll be fine.

Did you ever consider that people might be concerned about Wentz's injury and think he will struggle so that is why they are projecting Goff to do better this year? Most people would take that into consideration when being objective.
 

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LOL right, me saying Zeke was clearly the best player on the offense ONLY shows OSU homerism. Get the fuck out with that nonsense. Comparing all-time great QBs with a dude who has played 2 seasons and only had one good one is the real homerism here.
my God the stupidity....only comparison was supporting cast being solid players
AND....if Zeke was "clearly the best player" he would of won the rookie of the year but he didn't. Must be because he runs behind the best run blocking line in football
 

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my God the stupidity....only comparison was supporting cast being solid players
AND....if Zeke was "clearly the best player" he would of won the rookie of the year but he didn't. Must be because he runs behind the best run blocking line in football
Already explained this jackass. Dak was a much better story being a late round pick. Are you saying the ROY voting is always 100% correct? Fuck are you dense.

You still made the comparison between them. That's just foolish. Dak doesn't belong in the same breath as those QBs, don't be a moron.
 

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Did you ever consider that people might be concerned about Wentz's injury and think he will struggle so that is why they are projecting Goff to do better this year? Most people would take that into consideration when being objective.
I don't think this is unfair to say. Goff is in a great spot and could absolutely have a better year than Wentz.
 

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Already explained this jackass. Dak was a much better story being a late round pick. Are you saying the ROY voting is always 100% correct? Fuck are you dense.

You still made the comparison between them. That's just foolish. Dak doesn't belong in the same breath as those QBs, don't be a moron.
Wait, are you saying Dak won offensive ROY because it was a better story? Come on. that doesn't even make sense. Dak was a better and more important player year one and that's why he won it. Don't forget at one point he was in the MVP discussion too. You are better off sticking with the he wasn't good year 2 argument because Dallas fans will agree he needs to be better than he was last year even if the deck was stacked against him.
 
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