skinsdad62
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of course the defense also gets a pass on closing as well
what is a fair contract ? highest paid player ? the stafford/carr deals are long since in the rear view
again without KC this season we are a 2-3 win team with colt lining up at QB
he has proven he can lead this offense he basically carried it all year long , and he threw for over 4000 yds 23 tds and 13 picks with one of the worst wr corps in the NFL so garcon and jackson didnt make him as the argument went
injuries killed this team and a relatively healthy team gets 10 wins with the good talent they had working on defense making it at least a middle of the pack defense . instead we were 21 .
He has led the team to a game winning drive in 25% of his games.
what is a fair contract ? and colt isnt , not even closeYeah. Go ahead and give him a $30 million contract. Make him the richest one in history. That’s what it will take correct?
Maybe if we catch lightning in a bottle and the stars align at some point over the next 4-5 years we might be able to make a serious run at the SB?
As far as Colt goes...I think he is better than a couple wins. He isn’t quite Kirk but he is serviceable enough and the coach would be fine with rolling with him for awhile.
what is a fair contract ? and colt isnt , not even close
Nobody discounts defense in wins...but everybody seems to discount them in losses. The losses are all on the QB right Sty?
I honestly wish that we get away from using stats other than wins and losses as some sort of marker or evidence towards something in football. For instance:
You wrote: "He has led the team to a game winning drive in 25% of his games."
Which is true, but if people want to use that metric the question becomes 25% of what?
Kirk's record as a starter is 26-31-1 (An overall .457 winning percentage). Using the wins only metric, that translates into 25% of 26 games or 6.5 games in which he's done that out of the 58 games that he's started.
To eliminate the defense or other factors, as you did, out of the 26 games that the team has won during his time as starter he's been QB of 6.5 games that they won with a game winning drive. (your selective 25%)
Now, if I wanted to use your metric "25% of his games, that translates into, 6.5 (game winning drives) of 58 (his games as starter). By percentage that translates into 0.112 percent of the time that there will be a game winning drive with Kirk as QB.
I'm going to cap and underline the following for emphasis:
POINT IS....WE CAN DO THIS ALL DAY LONG, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS AND IT PROVES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Just sounds good to receptive ears.
First off, I'm not sure why you referenced me but OK.
Really?? Is this really what you want to Do?
OK, In a league that constantly references TEAM wins and losses, COACHING wins and losses and QB wins and losses, show me once in the history of the league where singularly there's been a reference to left guard, Linebacker, safety, or leader of the defense wins and losses. I'll wait....
3rd rated QB in his three years as a starter. It doesn't matter what I say Sty, you and the ABCers will refute, come up with another stat and then tell us "but we want to see him signed long term." Then why all the fucking negative energy?
If you read my posts and I know you do. Really any stat the Cousin's has is a TEAM stat. No one MFer won a football game by himself. If you (generic) don't understand that then you don't understand the game.
Fuck it, lets get AJ, Rosen, Lamar, Alex Smith ....
I am with Jay ... LTD or let him go. I am tired of all the panty waists and stupidity.
Post 83 is why you were referenced.
There isn’t a left guard, LB, safety, or a defensive leader that can make that big an impact on the game.
Oh for fuck's sake, offer the man the Jon Gruden contract, where he gets part ownership as well as 100 Million, who really cares? I certainly don't!
I honestly believe that the only reason keeping these threads going is that there are some still holding out hope that this front office is going to, after years of proving otherwise, do the right thing by Cousins. The problem is your "right thing" is clearly different from theirs and your vote don't count!!
I know right! Some people on here would give KC the world because he is truly much better than the garbage we have rolled out the last 20 years.
I liken it to dating through your 20s and early 30s and dealing with beautiful people who end up being selfish, psycho train wrecks and slutbags.... not even close to marriage material. You wake up one day at 35, and find you have a semi hot homely girl next door type who would be a good spouse and parent. It is what it is. You could certainly do worse.
But on a serious note @skinsdad62 , Put a deal on the table, the richest contract today. The Stanford contract with a little more. No negotiating, no counter offer. $140-150 mill.
Then you misread or deliberately interpreted what I wrote for purposes of responding as you did.
Thought sure that you might come to realize that about wins and losses in current NFL parlance.
However, in the history of the NFL there have been tons of defensive player who have had bigger impact on games and championships than QB. Hell the ravens won a SB when the unquestioned leader of that entire team was Ray Lewis. Want to guess who wins and losses were attributed to on that team? (Hint: think Flacco)
I know right! Some people on here would give KC the world because he is truly much better than the garbage we have rolled out the last 20 years.
I liken it to dating through your 20s and early 30s and dealing with beautiful people who end up being selfish, psycho train wrecks and slutbags.... not even close to marriage material. You wake up one day at 35, and find you have a semi hot homely girl next door type who would be a good spouse and parent. It is what it is. You could certainly do worse.
But on a serious note @skinsdad62 , Put a deal on the table, the richest contract today. The Stanford contract with a little more. No negotiating, no counter offer. $140-150 mill.
This is what you wrote, “I honestly wish that we get away from using stats other than wins and losses as some sort of marker or evidence towards something in football.” I am not sure how else to read it when discussing a QB but perhaps we miscommunicated.
Only a QB touches the ball on every play for one half of the game. I love Ray Lewis and he was a phenominal player, unquestioned leader. That being said, Flacco impacted their wins and losses greater.
Maybe those of you who have bought, chewed, and swallowed, hook, line, and sinker, the well accepted notions about this game, would be better off rethinking your, or rather someone else's take. These are not truisms, but rather, made up concepts that sell people and product. Nothing more, nothing less.
Joe Montana, considered by many to be among the top three QB's of all time, was never thought of as "Elite" (and this is important) in his time. Great, of course, "elite" not once.
Now let's talk about your thoughts on "Only a QB touches the ball on every play for one half of the game." Really?? So how exactly does the QB get the ball?
BTW: if you believe that during their SB run, Flacco impacted the game more in terms of wins and losses, then our problem here is solved, Don't sign Kirk, get a guy like (meaning similar to) Joe Fuckin' Flacco on the cheap, then build one of the best defenses in modern times.
Good point on the center. He puts the ball in the QBs hand