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Who goes where when the PAC dissolves?

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Washington is the 14th wealthiest football program in the country, has a long football history that includes national championships, is ranked 15th globally for academics and has an endowment of over $3 billion dollars not to mention the Seattle media market.



Then you have Okie St.

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Why would the PAC12 dissolve?

They went to an ownership model for cable production. It hasn't really worked. PAC won't dissolve. At worst I could see a reverse merger with the BIG 12 to move on from the PAC network, but even that seems crazy. They coukd dissolve the PAC 10, expand, and come out with 16 or so teams under a new name.
 

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Washington is the 14th wealthiest football program in the country, has a long football history that includes national championships, is ranked 15th globally for academics and has an endowment of over $3 billion dollars not to mention the Seattle media market.



Then you have Okie St.

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Boone St still has their owner. Just like Nike U.
 

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Any PAC team that has ever won an AP National Championship would get snatched up first. Lets list those.

  1. USC
  2. Colorado

Come on down.
 

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LOL

I didn't read the link. I clicked on it but it wouldn't work for me.

I assumed it had to do with income/tv contracts/whatever.

I love how the PAC12 is arranged with 5 pairs of natural rivals and 2 teams trying to become rivals, but they have a flaw in how far
they all are from each other. It's worst than the ACC.


Plus those schools all play 24/30 different sports. They've got to
have one helluva travel expense problem.

I think they should get the educational chip off their shoulder and
expand the league to 16 teams where they could have 2 distinct
divisions of 8 apiece, and schedule those teams more often. That
would cut down their travel costs.

I don't know what 4 they would go after to get the teams closer
together.

Maybe have Boise and Wyoming and Colorado State go into the
north with Colorado also moving to the North with the 2 Wash
schools and 2 Oregon Schools.

The South would just have to add San Diego State, with Utah,
the 4 Calif schools and 2 Arizona schools.

That could work
I heard this the other day and didn't believe it but I looked it up on Mapquest and it turned out to be true. West Virginia's longest trip in the Big 12 is closer than Washington's longest trip in the Pac 12.
Seattle, WA to Tucson, AZ is 1,604 miles
Morgantown, WV to Lubbock, TX is 1,467 miles
 

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Washington is the 14th wealthiest football program in the country, has a long football history that includes national championships, is ranked 15th globally for academics and has an endowment of over $3 billion dollars not to mention the Seattle media market.



Then you have Okie St.

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You forgot to mention all the Heisman Trophies your Huskers have won. Pretty sure they have more than Ohio State, N.D. & OK combined.
 

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I heard this the other day and didn't believe it but I looked it up on Mapquest and it turned out to be true. West Virginia's longest trip in the Big 12 is closer than Washington's longest trip in the Pac 12.
Seattle, WA to Tucson, AZ is 1,604 miles
Morgantown, WV to Lubbock, TX is 1,467 miles

Ya Buddy.

The Pac12 is spread out a bunch. Their is a subtly factor that
Washington is only 3 other states away from Arizona. But Cal
is one hell of a long state.

It's like our big in-state rivalry with Miami. Ga Tech is 200 miles closer and Clemson
is 100 miles closer than Miami. (And Tech is in the Coastal...we don't even get to
play our closest "conference rival" every year)
 
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SHIT! Just realized in comment # 147 I said Huskers instead of Huskies.:doh:
 

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I mean the Pac is not going anywhere. Sure they have a few short term issues, but the geography and history dictate that the core members aren't going to break up. For many reasons. Even if a few members left (Which I would be 100% in favor of) they would go the way of the Big12 that really hasn't been 12 for some time. They would go back to 8-10 or whatever and do things the way they always have.

It really is amazing how short term the memory of posters is up here. It's not like the Pac has been some bottom dweller for decades. It was one bad year. One.

They aren't going anywhere.
Having a smaller divisor isn't always a bad thing. Bigger piece of the pie. If the pie increases and your slice increases okay. If not, screw it. Increasing the divisor is only good if they bring in more revenue than they receive.
 

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Having a smaller divisor isn't always a bad thing. Bigger piece of the pie. If the pie increases and your slice increases okay. If not, screw it. Increasing the divisor is only good if they bring in more revenue than they receive.
Everything east of Cali could leave not hurt more than help the rest of the conf to be honest.

Keeping the conference big helps ONLY if the TV/Network deals substantially improve. So far I have zero faith in Scott and his offices ability to make that happen. They STILL don't have direcTV on board ffs. It's entirely inexcusable.

Going back to a smaller conf and keeping the core money makers at least would let us go back to playing every team every year. It would also increase the trips to the fertile Cali recruiting grounds which is something every team outside of Cali very much wants.
 

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Ya Buddy.

The Pac12 is spread out a bunch. Their is a subtly factor that
Washington is only 3 other states away from Arizona. But Cal
is one hell of a long state.

It's like our big in-state rivalry with Miami. Ga Tech is 200 miles closer and Clemson
is 100 miles closer than Miami. (And Tech is in the Coastal...we don't even get to
play our closest "conference rival" every year
)
Conferences are really fucked up IMHO.
 

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I heard this the other day and didn't believe it but I looked it up on Mapquest and it turned out to be true. West Virginia's longest trip in the Big 12 is closer than Washington's longest trip in the Pac 12.
Seattle, WA to Tucson, AZ is 1,604 miles
Morgantown, WV to Lubbock, TX is 1,467 miles

Ya, but in the Pac12 we have airplanes to travel, in WV they are still using mules
 

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Conferences are really fucked up IMHO.

Of course they are.

They create as many expenses as they do profits by spreading out
so far. When you are sending Tennis Teams a 1,000 miles away
on airplanes, you are not spending your money wisely.

By reducing down you could still generate big bucks in TV revenue
and reduce the cost of providing Olympic sports.
 

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You all four more years to debate anything to do with college football realignment. But it won't matter.

Nothing is happening until 2022. Sure, behind the scenes maneuvering is going on, but the decision makers at any of the schools could all be fired before 2022 because in this day and age, being an idiot administrator is costing you your job a lot faster than it used to. Thank heaven for that too.

For the record, the PAC 12 might be upset they are making less money via TV conference payouts, but they still rake in a few billion in government funding and have the State of California in their midst, one of the fertile recruiting grounds. The PAC 12 will still exist in 2023 and it might have more schools in the conference, but it surely will not have fewer.
 

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You all four more years to debate anything to do with college football realignment. But it won't matter.

Nothing is happening until 2022. Sure, behind the scenes maneuvering is going on, but the decision makers at any of the schools could all be fired before 2022 because in this day and age, being an idiot administrator is costing you your job a lot faster than it used to. Thank heaven for that too.

For the record, the PAC 12 might be upset they are making less money via TV conference payouts, but they still rake in a few billion in government funding and have the State of California in their midst, one of the fertile recruiting grounds. The PAC 12 will still exist in 2023 and it might have more schools in the conference, but it surely will not have fewer.
Largely true, but not nearly that much of a slam dunk.

The shortcomings of the network and other promised budget increases isn't a small issue. And one that if it keeps getting worse WILL have fallouts for several schools.

WSU is projected to be in a $67 million dollar deficit currently in their athletics. And they are a public school. The state legislature has cracked down on all of its public schools athletics budgets. Their prior AD Moos really fucked them hard and no one really knows what their plan is to get out of that huge hole. I mean they are STILL looking at adding more facilities they say will be through private funding while at the same time being that far in the hole. :tsk:

UW is on better footing and so are the other higher schools of the conference, but several are barely hanging on and have no real plan to pull themselves up if something doesn't happen before the end of the current deals. The OP wasn't wrong that there are cracks and there could be some kind of fallout, even if some real breakup of the entire conference isn't ever going to happen.

Washington State athletic department projects $67 million hole, will discuss plans to reduce debt at Board of Regents meeting
 
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