Most overrated play in MLB history

[BallsOfFurry]

DeNile ain't just some lil kid that lives in the projects.

You guys buy hype too easily
I've listed the many ways Aaron surpassed Mayes, and not just over his career, his best was better than Mayes best, but not by a lot.

 

[williewilliejuan]

You guys buy hype too easily
I've listed the many ways Aaron surpassed Mayes, and not just over his career, his best was better than Mayes best, but not by a lot.

Pretty much every baseball historian and scholar would disagree with you on that. Mays is pretty near universally considered the #2 player of all time behind Ruth.

 

[broncosmitty]

You guys buy hype too easily
I've listed the many ways Aaron surpassed Mayes, and not just over his career, his best was better than Mayes best, but not by a lot.

Homerism is a disease.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Pretty much every baseball historian and scholar would disagree with you on that. Mays is pretty near universally considered the #2 player of all time behind Ruth.

Not really, Cobb is higher on many list, Mayes is top 5 on most every list.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Answering the claim Mays hit in tough parks.
In NY The Giants had 9 hitters with double digit HRs, then 12 with double digit HRs.
At Candlestick they had ..

Players with double digit HRs
1960 - 4
61 - 6
62 - 8
63 - 6 and 3 with 30
64 - 5 and 3 with 30
65 - 4 and 2 with 30
66 - 4 with 27
67 - 5
68 - 3 with 23
69 - 3
70 - 5
71 - 5
72 - 6
Jim Hart Hart had more HRs than Mays 2 times and tied 1 time. Stargell, Cepeta or Bobby Bonds led the team in HRs a total of 7 times.
The myth Candlestick was a pitchers park is just that.
Mays was truly great, but like Palmer and Mantle he was a self promotor and was a media attraction, Aaron was barely known outside of real basebase fans, he never said much, but his numbers were better than Mays, even in stolen bases he had 98 fewer but a slightly better percentage, really a virtual tie.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Homerism is a disease.

Buying into pop culture hype is a weakness.

 

[Chewbaccer]

It's a shame (for you) that you weren't alive to witness one of the most exciting 7 game WS. It was epic and Fisk's homer was yuge! Bernie Carbo's 3 run pinch hit bomb to tie it up in the 8th was just as good, minus the walk off factor.

Exciting play sure, but no way should it be making any top 5 list of greatest plays in baseball history. His team went on to lose the next game and The World Series, and the only memorable thing about it was him waving his arms like a spaz.

You can look through homer glasses all you want, but for me, I'll never see what the big fucking deal was about it.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Andruw was simply a better fielder, it had everything to do with instincts and skill, nothing to do with diet.
Mays was easily faster on the bases, Jones was easily the more gifted fielder.
WAR is adjusted for the era, Jones has the highest defensive WAR rating of any outfielder in history.

Oh so you put stock into WAR when it suits the defensive argument of Jones over Mays, but how about when it doesn't suit the Aaron over Mays argument? Mays WAR is 156.3 compared to Aaron's 142.8, and that's in 300 fewer games.

Also, Mays led the league in WAR 9 times, Aaron did so once.

You also talk about total bases, but Mays had the higher slugging percentage.

 

[soxfan1468927]

To the OP, I don't completely disagree with the fact that the Red Sox lost Game 7 makes the Fisk HR overrated. I also am surprised the "Shot Heard Round the World" hasn't been mentioned (sorry if it has, I skimmed).

Basically for the same reasons that Fisk's HR is overrated, but I think even more so. Due to the fact that all baseball fans know the Red Sox had a massive drought between World Championships, everyone knows they didn't win the 1975 World Series. But, I bet at least half (if not more) of baseball fans will tell you that the Giants won the World Series after the "Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" moment. But, after all that, the Giants lost to the Yankees in the 1951 World Series anyway.

So I would pick that as the most overrated play in baseball history.

 

[richig07]

I want to say Derek Jeter's catch on a pop up where he needlessly dove into the stands.

But I will say Carlton Fisk's homer in game 6 of the 1975 World Series.

What was so significant about that homer? All it did was force a game 7 that the Reds went on to win.

Only notable thing about it was Fisk waving his arms like a spaz down the first base line.

Agreed on the Jeter play. A very nice play going behind 3rd base like that, but it's a play SS's make quite a bit.

His momentum carrying him into the stands just made it look a lot more impressive.

It wasn't "needlessly diving" into the stands though... I will defend him on that. Go outside and run 50 feet at full speed looking up at the sky and then see if you can stop on a dime without your momentum carrying you further. lol

 

[richig07]

And nothing else comes close.

I mean, that's pretty amazing.

I still don't really get what the hell Jeter was even doing over there.

It's not like it was some amazing defensive play, but rather just a phenomenal occurrence.

 

[broncosmitty]

Buying into pop culture hype is a weakness.

Yeah, tons pop culture hype for a guy that retired when my parents were in HS.


I'm talkin Willie Mays not Bryce Harper.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Agreed on the Jeter play. A very nice play going behind 3rd base like that, but it's a play SS's make quite a bit.

His momentum carrying him into the stands just made it look a lot more impressive.

It wasn't "needlessly diving" into the stands though... I will defend him on that. Go outside and run 50 feet at full speed looking up at the sky and then see if you can stop on a dime without your momentum carrying you further. lol

Yup, if he "needlessly" dove his face into the cement in the stands just for effect, that would make that play even more impressive

 

[richig07]

Oh so you put stock into WAR when it suits the defensive argument of Jones over Mays, but how about when it doesn't suit the Aaron over Mays argument? Mays WAR is 156.3 compared to Aaron's 142.8, and that's in 300 fewer games.

Also, Mays led the league in WAR 9 times, Aaron did so once.

You also talk about total bases, but Mays had the higher slugging percentage.

Couldn't be more obvious that he's seeking out only the very specific arguments that suit his opinion.

 

[richig07]

Answering the claim Mays hit in tough parks.
In NY The Giants had 9 hitters with double digit HRs, then 12 with double digit HRs.
At Candlestick they had ..

Players with double digit HRs
1960 - 4
61 - 6
62 - 8
63 - 6 and 3 with 30
64 - 5 and 3 with 30
65 - 4 and 2 with 30
66 - 4 with 27
67 - 5
68 - 3 with 23
69 - 3
70 - 5
71 - 5
72 - 6

Could you have picked out a more irrelevant argument? Holy shit. lol

His teammates numbers? What?

That doesn't change the dimensions of the parks they played in. I am awe stricken at this display of homerism. You just made it impossible for anyone to take you seriously.

 

[Across The Field]

This Mays v. Aaron debate is ridiculous. They were both absolutely amazing players in their own right, two of the greatest of all-time no doubt.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Have you seen me? I'm missing.

 

[redseat]

And nothing else comes close.

how the hell don't you slide!!!

 

[calsnowskier]

Answering the claim Mays hit in tough parks.
In NY The Giants had 9 hitters with double digit HRs, then 12 with double digit HRs.
At Candlestick they had ..

Players with double digit HRs
1960 - 4
61 - 6
62 - 8
63 - 6 and 3 with 30
64 - 5 and 3 with 30
65 - 4 and 2 with 30
66 - 4 with 27
67 - 5
68 - 3 with 23
69 - 3
70 - 5
71 - 5
72 - 6
Jim Hart Hart had more HRs than Mays 2 times and tied 1 time. Stargell, Cepeta or Bobby Bonds led the team in HRs a total of 7 times.
The myth Candlestick was a pitchers park is just that.
Mays was truly great, but like Palmer and Mantle he was a self promotor and was a media attraction, Aaron was barely known outside of real basebase fans, he never said much, but his numbers were better than Mays, even in stolen bases he had 98 fewer but a slightly better percentage, really a virtual tie.

I don't care what you say. Stargell was a GREAT Giant. As were Jimmy Hart Hart and Cepeta.

 

[redseat]

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