Winning is everything.

[Rollingthndr]

The WR Mayhew really wanted last season was Algohlar. He had no eye for talented pass catchers at all.

What position did he have an eye for?

 

[lionstop1]

Which is why we all hated your Ebron pick and didn't want any WR.

Even with the Ebron pick, the defense shouldn't be that bad.

 

[lionstop1]

Cam has done more with A LOT less.

Who has Cam had to throw too? Greg Olsen, a washed up Steve Smith, Benjamin or Funchess.

Stafford- arguably greatest WR of all time, elite #2 WR Tate, top 20 draft pick in Pettidrops, top 10 pick in Ebron, Reggie Bush.

Ok so Carolina is winning only because of Cam and the Lions are losing only because of Stafford? Got cha!

 

[lionstop1]

Cam has done more with A LOT less.

Who has Cam had to throw too? Greg Olsen, a washed up Steve Smith, Benjamin or Funchess.

Stafford- arguably greatest WR of all time, elite #2 WR Tate, top 20 draft pick in Pettidrops, top 10 pick in Ebron, Reggie Bush.

Wait a minute! What are we comparing here, again? Wins or losses? Stats?

 

[lionstop1]

Cam's stats definitely indicate that there is a lack of overall talent on the roster but also shows he is coming nowhere close to winning those games on his own.

 

[gandydancer]

Ok so Carolina is winning only because of Cam and the Lions are losing only because of Stafford? Got cha!

No and no...

I sent you a trade with CJ involved. That is all that is important today.

 

[Old Lion]

I'll bite. Let's see your research.

2 games versus Arizona and Chicago we had 5 and 3 TOs and gave up 40 ppg. 2 games against Seattle and GB had 1 TO each and gave up 14.5 ppg. The rest were in the middle. 2 or 3 TOs and 25 or so ppg.

It should be obvious that TOs by the offense end up in more points for opponents and more losses for us. Although the latter is more variable

 

[broncosmitty]

One last thing. abdullah needs to be getting A LOT more carries. He's clearly the most talented RB on the roster and it's not even close.

He should get NO carries.

He doesn't fumble we might win. And he might not fumble if he doesn't get carries.

2nd round return men are rare. But we got ourselves one. He's no RB.

 

[Old Lion]

Well, you think Stafford sucks. I don’t. I think the defense sucks. You don’t. We just have to disagree there.


We made it to the playoffs with a really good offense and a terrible defense one year. We lost in a shoot-out and our weakness was exposed. We also made it to the playoffs again with a really good defense and a terrible offense. We lost at the end, as Staff gets crunched because our best blocker whiffed.


All I’m saying is that a decent Oline and a solid defense could really help this team. Everything has to come together in the same year though.

Agreed on all points here. There is more than 1 way to skin a dog.

 

[broncosmitty]

There is no season to throw away when you're 2-7. Mayhew threw the season away when he lost Suh.

You couldn't get some people to admit that at gunpoint.

It's why Staff is getting so much flak this year imo.

 

[RobBase]

Even with the Ebron pick, the defense shouldn't be that bad.

Suh masked A LOT of issues. If Mayhew thought even for a second he might lose him, he should have taken Donald. Ultimately, losing Suh cost Mayhew his career.

 

[RobBase]

2 games versus Arizona and Chicago we had 5 and 3 TOs and gave up 40 ppg. 2 games against Seattle and GB had 1 TO each and gave up 14.5 ppg. The rest were in the middle. 2 or 3 TOs and 25 or so ppg.

It should be obvious that TOs by the offense end up in more points for opponents and more losses for us. Although the latter is more variable

0-3 Lions had a + TO ratio going into that week 4 AZ game. D sucks cause they lost Suh. Not cause of the O. O sucked last year too and the D carried us to 11 wins.

O still the same, D is what changed drastically.

 

[RobBase]

Look at last few drafts. Top 3 LTs all suck. Ansah clearly top player from that top 5. Aaron Donald and OBJ both picked outside top 10. Gurley, picked 10th,

Best players in each draft aren't always in the top 3. A good GM will find good players anywhere.

 

[RobBase]

You couldn't get some people to admit that at gunpoint..

I thought we could plug any DT into this D and still have a top unit? Oh wait, the offense turned the ball over. Never mind.

 

[Old Lion]

0-3 Lions had a + TO ratio going into that week 4 AZ game. D sucks cause they lost Suh. Not cause of the O. O sucked last year too and the D carried us to 11 wins.

O still the same, D is what changed drastically.

If the D sucked then how did we have a positive TO ratio through 3 weeks? The O still had TOs in the first 3 weeks. The D must have gotten more than the o gave up.

Give it up on the Suh stupidity. I am not buying it. The O is worse this year than last. TOs galore and even less running game (if that is possible) and horrible O-line play.

The defense is worse too. Rookies not panning out yet. No Levy changes the whole structure of the defense. LBs are a shambles. Cant wait for Tully to be gone and Bynes goes to MLB. If Levy comes back normal then we will see what we have in the defense.

 

[RobBase]

Give it up on the Suh stupidity. I am not buying it.

No Levy changes the whole structure of the defense.

Spoken like a true Rainbro.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Scale of 1 to 10, how happy were guys after that game? I would like to think that i was just about as happy as you were. I'd say about an 8.7, no that just Green Gay Peckers lost, but in their house, and from a divisional opponent. Good stuff indeed.

 

[RobBase]

Scale of 1 to 10, how happy were guys after that game? I would like to think that i was just about as happy as you were. I'd say about an 8.7, no that just Green Gay Peckers lost, but in their house, and from a divisional opponent. Good stuff indeed.

Not nearly as happy as Jim Caldwell was.

 

[gandydancer]

Scale of 1 to 10, how happy were guys after that game? I would like to think that i was just about as happy as you were. I'd say about an 8.7, no that just Green Gay Peckers lost, but in their house, and from a divisional opponent. Good stuff indeed.

5.55

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Not nearly as happy as Jim Caldwell was.

He actually did show some emotion. Goofy fucker.