Why is McCaffery going to New York?

[trojanfan12]

Go look up defensie stats, numbers don't lie about Alabama's schedule, not just talking SEC. Bama playe against 5 good defenses Henry ran for an average of 158 yards and 1.8 td's while Mccaffery had one game and ran for a whopping 60 some yards. #HeismanNumbers
Half of the season he did not score a point in his games in the PAC 12. What are the excuses?

SEC offense aren't bad, it's that the defenses are so good.

PAC-12 offenses aren't that good, it's that the defenses are so bad.

#SEClawjic

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Lot of other better players could have been invited. He has only played against 1 top 25 defense this season and had a mediocre game. If you take away his outlier kickoff return for 98 yards he averaged 26 yards a return, so one less yard is he knelled the football. Not to mention he went 6 games without scoring a single point. Here are some defensive rankings and his performance against them.


Northwestern: 7 in scoring D, 11 in total D, 14 in rushing D.
66 yards rushing in only 12 touches, 5.5 per carry, 23 yards receiving 5 catches and a td.
UCF: 118 scoring D, 115 in total D, 100 in rushing D.
58 yards on 20 carries 2.8 per touch, 4 catches 59 yards and a td.
Notre Dame: 34 in scoring D, 38 in total D, 65th in rushing D.
94 yards in 27 carries, 19 yards receiving 3 catches.

Stanford's opponents averaged: 70 in scoring D (4 ranked 100+), 79 in total D (5 ranked 110+), 72 in rushing D (5 teams ranked 99+).

He may want to buy a ticket to a Broadway show during the trophy ceremony, dude does not belong there.

Because he played in a conference that only plays 3 cupcakes, not 4, OOC to build up those total D stats. Unlike some other conferences, that I won't mention

 

[Ojb81]

Because he deserves to be there.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Alabama junior RB Derrick Henry and Stanford sophomore RB Christian McCaffrey rushed for YPC averages of 5.33 and 5.34, respectively, against Top-50 rushing defenses.
Per carry average isn't the be-all, end-all of the Heisman race, but it's certainly eye-opening that Henry and McCaffrey are almost identical against the better run defenses in the country

Per Rotoworld. So yeah Henry is so much better against top 50 defenses huh?

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

defensive metrics are scewed when u play in a conference filled with shit offenses and pathetic qb play.

Not to mention the SEC is the king in playing FCS opponents

 

[Shanemansj13]

You're kidding right. Yeah, it's his fault the Stanford coaching staff doesnt hand him the ball 50 times a game. He is too busy at slot, on special teams, or doing just about anything you ask him to do. I doubt he cares about the Heisman when he will be succeeding in the NFL in a couple years. He is only a sophomore btw

 

[Shanemansj13]

I watch a lot of high school football. This is like the small school that plays scrubs and has the little 5'5 white kid that weighs a 140 and a 5 flat 40 running for over a thousand yards on the season in 1A, and comparing it to the 6'2 200 pound running back that runs a 4.5 and ran for 980 yards against 5A opponents. Like yes you have more numbers, but really? Is it really comparable, really?

The Pac12 is scrubs now! LOL
The SEC was so overrated this year it is ridiculous and I usually give the SEC props but this year, not impressed.

Shit, Wes Welker didnt even get the ball a lot in college, at least his first 2 years. Only ran a 4.65. Had a 30" vert jump. And he is 5'9" 195 yet he is one of the best WR's in the last decade. What does playing good opponents in college have to do with anything? For watching a lot of football, this just sounds stupid. To be honest, you dont know how a player will always turn out in the NFL. But looking at McCaffrey skill set he is made for the NFL.

btw...who cares about high school. Nobody.

 

[socaljim242]

I watch a lot of high school football. This is like the small school that plays scrubs and has the little 5'5 white kid that weighs a 140 and a 5 flat 40 running for over a thousand yards on the season in 1A, and comparing it to the 6'2 200 pound running back that runs a 4.5 and ran for 980 yards against 5A opponents. Like yes you have more numbers, but really? Is it really comparable, really?

Yeah and Barry Sanders was huge right? But it's ok he was small because he's black right.
Are you going to take away Henrys yards and TDs against Middle Tennessee and Charleston Southern?

 

[theboardref]

If McCaffrey went to Bama and Henry went to Stanford, McCaffrey would win by one of the largest margins ever. Henry shouldn't win it.

Are we seriously assuming Mcaffery would be the starter on Bama? And are we seriously saying Henry behind a big offensie lines facing passstopping defenses wouldn't have set a new NCAA record?

 

[theboardref]

Because he played in a conference that only plays 3 cupcakes, not 4, OOC to build up those total D stats. Unlike some other conferences, that I won't mention

Before spewing bull shit, which you are by the way, you can look and see the games against crap school he got the least amount of yards and touches.

 

[socaljim242]

Vandy, Florida, Georgia (post Chubb), Missouri, Auburn, South Carolina, all offensive juggernauts this year

Add the fact that Alabama played Middle Tennessee and Charleston Southern and you see why they have great defensive numbers. How many really good QBs are in the SEC?

 

[Tubbs1518]

Add the fact that Alabama played Middle Tennessee and Charleston Southern and you see why they have great defensive numbers. How many really good QBs are in the SEC?

Really good? Answer is 0.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Are we seriously assuming Mcaffery would be the starter on Bama? And are we seriously saying Henry behind a big offensie lines facing passstopping defenses wouldn't have set a new NCAA record?

Point is, McCaffrey has done something NO ONE ELSE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL has done in the past 20 odd something years. He set the all time total yardage record. Something Reggie Bush didn't do, something Henry sure as hell didn't do. McCaffrey should run away with the Heisman voting.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Add the fact that Alabama played Middle Tennessee and Charleston Southern and you see why they have great defensive numbers. How many really good QBs are in the SEC?

Dak is the only wildcard, but that is questionable, I hope he succeeds. The top 4 rounds the answer is 1.

The PAC has 3.
The B1G has 3.
Shit the AAC has 2.

 

[theboardref]

Point is, McCaffrey has done something NO ONE ELSE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL has done in the past 20 odd something years. He set the all time total yardage record. Something Reggie Bush didn't do, something Henry sure as hell didn't do. McCaffrey should run away with the Heisman voting.

So if a guy coming out of an non power 5 conference did this would it also warrent the same recognition?

 

[WizardHawk]

Did I really read a page and a half of a B1G fan talking about conference mediocrity making a team look better? Did that really happen?

Stanford is maybe 7-5, probably 6-6 without McCaffrey. He's far and away their most key player. He's the conference MVP as it were. He makes a huge difference. Anyone that had a team that faced him can tell you the difference between him and the next best athlete they faced all year and it's not even close.

Does he deserve to win it? I really don't know. I'll at least be more honest than those trying to rip McCaffrey and say I haven't seen enough of the others to really tell who is better, but he by far deserves to be there.

Yes, it took two more games to break Sanders record than what Barry was able to do in his era. It's not apples to apples, but we have had the 12 game seasons for how many years? And this talk about it only happened in a shitty Pac conference is laughable because these records haven't fallen in the WAC, MWC, or the other truly easy to roll over conferences either. No one has ever done what this kid did. Not in a great conference, not in a mediocre one, and not in a seriously shitty one. It hasn't ever happened.

Seems to me the ones voicing this stupidity are fans of teams that missed the playoffs or had players overlooked. Your need to make shit up to make yourselves feel better isn't going unnoticed.

 

[Shanemansj13]

So if a guy coming out of an non power 5 conference did this would it also warrent the same recognition?

Nope, but he is in a Power 5 conference.

 

[socaljim242]

Based on what?? The Pac12 didn't do good out of conference either. Utah had a decent win over michigan, and Stanford beat a ND team that was ravaged with injuries. Otherwise, what was there?

Well how many Out of Conference teams the quality of Notre Dame and Michigan did Ohio State play?

 

[Codaxx]

Before spewing bull shit, which you are by the way, you can look and see the games against crap school he got the least amount of yards and touches.

but McCaffery was clearly the all-purpose yards leader per game in the PAC. He also led the PAC in yards from scrimmage per game. So there is a good argument that he was the best offensive player in his conference. You can discredit the PAC, but he clearly outperformed his conference peers. Watson led his conference in Total offense per game also. The only Heisman candidate not to lead his conference is Henry, so I am not sure why you are going after McCaffery

 

[WizardHawk]

So if a guy coming out of an non power 5 conference did this would it also warrent the same recognition?

IT HASN'T EVER HAPPENED.

You actually proved why your point is BS with that very question. Had this been something that teams like Boise State were able to do with their creampuff schedule and this was simply the first P5 then you might have an argument. But it hasn't. Ever. Zero times in history.

Your premise is entirely flawed.