Who SHOULD win the NFL League MVP for 2024?

[wood20ks]

I voted for Lamar but this graphic is garbage. Josh Allen was in 16 games and went 13-3. He handed off the ball once in the 17th game.

Well don't take it out on Lamar because Josh went for a meaningless streak......or even a bonus.

Even if Josh played,Lamar still has him beat stat wise,so it's not flawed.

 

[wood20ks]

the problem with looking at stats alone. Is the award isnt for the one with the best stats or most years there wouldnt be a debate.
It is Most Valuable Player. Which I take is to their team.
You have an almost 2000 yd rusher on the same team as Lamar. You plug in a above avg QB to the ravens. Their record doesnt change much. IMO.
If you plug in above avg. QB to the Bills, they lose a lot more games. So the debate would be. Which one is more valuable to the team they are on.
The Ravens defense is better, the Ravens running game is better, & in my personal opinion. I think the Ravens has one of the best coaching staffs in all of the NFL. (Mad props to John Harbaugh)

Now with that said.
I will have no issues with if Lamar wins it "this" year. Because he has one of the best years as a "passer" we have seen. His rushing stats that the media gushes over, is just the icing on the cake to the argument this year. (not the bulk of the argument)

You add any average qb to the Ravens,,they do not win 12 games....not at all.
It would be a stop Derrick Henry defense,not a try and to stop Lamar and Derrick def......

And other than Mark Andrews,who does Lamar throw to,Zay Flowers??....he finished 19th in recieving yardage.....

Taking away from Lamar would be like taking away from Saquon's stats cause he is playing behind a great oline.....with a star qb,with two great wrs on top of that.
Don't take anything from great players cause they play with other great players.

MVP for all qbs are equal.....you take out any qb from that respective team,and all teams will not be the same.
well qbs that have value anyways....

For Allen,it just maybe an always a bridesmaid and never a bride year for him again.
 

 

[Money]

You plug in a above avg QB to the ravens. Their record doesnt change much. IMO.

LMFAO

 

[Cincyfan78]

LMFAO

While we know that isn't true...I will say, I think the Ravens would be better equipped than some if only because they can lean on Henry and the run game to help out the backup QB. Having a dude that rushed for 1500 yards is a nice balance to have - and a viable backup plan to win games in the regular season.

But losing nearly ANY starting QB would impact your record for any team. If not, you don't really have a "starting" QB in this league other than by default name, anyway.

 

[Think McFly Think]

While we know that isn't true...I will say, I think the Ravens would be better equipped than some if only because they can lean on Henry and the run game to help out the backup QB. Having a dude that rushed for 1500 yards is a nice balance to have - and a viable backup plan to win games in the regular season.

But losing nearly ANY starting QB would impact your record for any team. If not, you don't really have a "starting" QB in this league other than by default name, anyway.

Fwiw, I don’t think Burrow has nearly enough credit for almost making the playoffs even with having outstanding receivers, I mean, it’s basically 4 quality guys on your O, and a crappy D vs in many cases, full teams with far more talent and depth than that.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Fwiw, I don’t think Burrow has nearly enough credit for almost making the playoffs even with having outstanding receivers, I mean, it’s basically 4 quality guys on your O, and a crappy D vs in many cases, full teams with far more talent and depth than that.

I'll also add that the scheme works against Burrow and the offense. Taylor is terrible at game calling and if Burrow wasn't "Burrow" - Taylor would have been fired 4 years ago. Dude just isn't a great OC.

 

[Wazmankg]

Regarding relative W/L records, the Ravens played 12 teams that finished > 500 while the Bills faced 6.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I believe there should be more talk about Burrow on here...I know, maybe being a bit of a homer...but I'm not saying he should win...just saying, I don't think it is as clear cut between Jackson/Allen without also discussing the year Burrow had. Especially when you consider the losses they had were well outside of his control, if that is a big reason why maybe he falls off someone's list. If he were able to win, let's say, 3 of those games they lost - his numbers would have crossed the 5,000 yard and 50TD mark with ease (assuming he needed to improve his play for them to win those games, and not the defense who gave up 38 pts on average in a 5 game stretch of losses). I mean, we're talking not just a career year - but a generational type season not seen but once or twice in recent times if that is the case.

In Cincinnati’s six games played since Dec. 1, Burrow completed 186 of 244 passes for 1890 yards and 16 TDs with five INTs, while leading the team to a 5-1 record. He led all NFL QBs in completions, completion percentage (76.2) and passing yards during that span, while pacing AFC QBs in TD passes and ranking second in the conference in passer rating (111.2).

Burrow became the first player in NFL history to record at least 250 passing yards and three TD passes in eight consecutive games on Dec. 28 vs. Denver, as he completed 39 of 49 passes (79.6) for 412 yards and three TD's.

This is Burrow’s second career — and second consecutive — AFC Offensive Player of the Month award. He also received the honor for games played in November. He is the first player to be named Offensive Player of the Month (AFC or NFC) in back-to-back months since Indianapolis RB Jonathan Taylor in October and November of 2021.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I believe there should be more talk about Burrow on here...I know, maybe being a bit of a homer...but I'm not saying he should win...just saying, I don't think it is as clear cut between Jackson/Allen without also discussing the year Burrow had. Especially when you consider the losses they had were well outside of his control, if that is a big reason why maybe he falls off someone's list. If he were able to win, let's say, 3 of those games they lost - his numbers would have crossed the 5,000 yard and 50TD mark with ease (assuming he needed to improve his play for them to win those games, and not the defense who gave up 38 pts on average in a 5 game stretch of losses). I mean, we're talking not just a career year - but a generational type season not seen but once or twice in recent times if that is the case.

In Cincinnati’s six games played since Dec. 1, Burrow completed 186 of 244 passes for 1890 yards and 16 TDs with five INTs, while leading the team to a 5-1 record. He led all NFL QBs in completions, completion percentage (76.2) and passing yards during that span, while pacing AFC QBs in TD passes and ranking second in the conference in passer rating (111.2).

Burrow became the first player in NFL history to record at least 250 passing yards and three TD passes in eight consecutive games on Dec. 28 vs. Denver, as he completed 39 of 49 passes (79.6) for 412 yards and three TD's.

This is Burrow’s second career — and second consecutive — AFC Offensive Player of the Month award. He also received the honor for games played in November. He is the first player to be named Offensive Player of the Month (AFC or NFC) in back-to-back months since Indianapolis RB Jonathan Taylor in October and November of 2021.

I do think Burrow is a more valuable player to his team than the others named, but we both know that isnt how the voting will go.

 

[Clayton]

I do think Burrow is a more valuable player to his team than the others named, but we both know that isnt how the voting will go.

Bengals did go 4-3 last year without Burrow iirc. Hard to know if Josh Allen is more or less important imo

 

[Think McFly Think]

Bengals did go 4-3 last year without Burrow iirc. Hard to know if Josh Allen is more or less important imo

Yeah, it’s really hard to truly establish who is deserving of it the most, all of us on here have given plenty of reasons for multiple candidates, and there’s some bias and probably too much stat analysis, but then again that’s probably what these sportswriters are basing it on as well

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Bengals did go 4-3 last year without Burrow iirc. Hard to know if Josh Allen is more or less important imo

well I already made the argument of Allen being more valuable to his team than Lamar. But no one wanted hear that either.
This years Bengals would be a very losing record without Burrow. I think he carried the team to the wins they have.
BTW I do think similar to Allen as well. Both defenses fail their counterparts. Their offenses are winning those games.

but we both know. Everyone thinks of wins & losses as a QB stat somehow instead of a team stat. So we know Burrow wont be in the discussion. Even though he was the Bengals offense.

 

[Think McFly Think]

I found this snippet of Orlovsky being asked about why he voted Allen, it’s somewhat compelling.

"Point No. 1, and this is why, in my opinion, MVP would be Josh Allen," Orlovsky added. "The Buffalo Bills this year, with Josh Allen as their starting quarterback, averaged three points per drive. That's top five historically in the history of the NFL. Okay? You don't do that as an offense without a 1,000-yard receiver or 1,000-running back. The Bills have neither. So, to have a historically performing offense without a 1,000-yard back or 1,000-yard receiver tells me that the quarterback's performance is absolutely off the charts."

 

[Think McFly Think]

Going on to add that the Bills had 2 pro bowlers, the Ravens 9, and the Bills beat both number one playoff seeds

 

[Clayton]

well I already made the argument of Allen being more valuable to his team than Lamar. But no one wanted hear that either.
This years Bengals would be a very losing record without Burrow. I think he carried the team to the wins they have.
BTW I do think similar to Allen as well. Both defenses fail their counterparts. Their offenses are winning those games.

but we both know. Everyone thinks of wins & losses as a QB stat somehow instead of a team stat. So we know Burrow wont be in the discussion. Even though he was the Bengals offense.

Wins are a team stat for sure. Mahomes had a subpar defense for well over half his career. Mahomes won games still but Kelce and Hill deserve some credit in that. Likewise, Bengals this year has Chase and Higgins who will likely get top 5 WR money.

The Ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Lamar had his best season and still lost a bunch of games.

 

[Clayton]

So, to have a historically performing offense without a 1,000-yard back or 1,000-yard receiver tells me that the quarterback's performance is absolutely off the charts."

That, and their defense averages 2 takeaways a game

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Wins are a team stat for sure. Mahomes had a subpar defense for well over half his career. Mahomes won games still but Kelce and Hill deserve some credit in that. Likewise, Bengals this year has Chase and Higgins who will likely get top 5 WR money.

The Ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Lamar had his best season and still lost a bunch of games.

I dunno about all that.
My personal over/Under is 24
I figure if your team scores over 24 pts. Your offense did enough for you to win
I figure if your defense holds a team to under 24 pts. They should have done enough to win.
The last 7 weeks in my view defense held to 24 or under points.
you would have to go all the way back to week 10 before the defense failed (gave up 34) & to who?
None other than Burrow.
Since their bye week.
None got out of the teens.
The last two weeks. None made even to the teens. The one game of 2 pts, the defense gave up zero.
When you look at Lamar's quick rise at late/end of season. When everyone thought it was Allens to lose. It correlates with a very stout Defense!

Ravens defense is night & day better than the Bills or the Bengals.
Burrow can take leads all day long. His defense wont hold them.

 

[Clayton]

I dunno about all that.
My personal over/Under is 24
I figure if your team scores over 24 pts. Your offense did enough for you to win
I figure if your defense holds a team to under 24 pts. They should have done enough to win.
The last 7 weeks in my view defense held to 24 or under points.
you would have to go all the way back to week 10 before the defense failed (gave up 34) & to who?
None other than Burrow.
Since their bye week.
None got out of the teens.
The last two weeks. None made even to the teens. The one game of 2 pts, the defense gave up zero.
When you look at Lamar's quick rise at late/end of season. When everyone thought it was Allens to lose. It correlates with a very stout Defense!

Ravens defense is night & day better than the Bills or the Bengals.
Burrow can take leads all day long. His defense wont hold them.

Ravens defense failed in 6 of its first 8 games by your metric.

They are playing much better now

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Ravens defense failed in 6 of its first 8 games by your metric.

They are playing much better now

yes.
they started out a bit rough.
no one is talking who the MVP is in the 1st half the season.
BTW I am not hating on Lamar. He has played excellent all year. One of the best years for any QB.
I was just commenting on your defense claim.

I've watched the media the past couple weeks.
Lamar has already won the award. just hasnt been announced yet.

 

[Clayton]

yes.
they started out a bit rough.
no one is talking who the MVP is in the 1st half the season.
BTW I am not hating on Lamar. He has played excellent all year. One of the best years for any QB.
I was just commenting on your defense claim.

I've watched the media the past couple weeks.
Lamar has already won the award. just hasnt been announced yet.

Certainly Burrow was best down the stretch. I'm just not sure that's the criteria.