Which choke job was worse?

[rmilia1]

Heh

LOL apparently I had too high of hopes

 

[soxfan1468927]

I said 34 points not 38 and they clearly were the better team and if not for the calls would have scored 34 and won. That's reality. Sorry to throw some common sense into the thread were over already said my team choked

Being the better team means you don't make those mistakes, you don't get gassed, and you play the whole game. So no, they weren't clearly the better team.

 

[Breed]

For sure and that's right when Shanny went full retard. New England still had to play perfect to win and props to them they did it. Even that wouldn't have been enough if we had had an OC who hadn't panicked. He did. NE capitalized. That's what happened.

I think hubris more than panic set in for Shanny, but either way. I do agree with you. The Pats, while making a truly great comeback. Don't win w/o some form of collapse/choke happening on Atlanta's end and Shanny's playcalling was it.

 

[soxfan1468927]

LOL apparently I had too high of hopes

Dude I gave you props for coming back after the game. Wished you luck. But I really expected you to show some humility when you returned, if things didn't go your way.

A great friend of mine is a Falcons fan, worked with him for years. He was just as cocky. Guaranteed they would score 30+ points. He texted me right after saying he was completely wrong, and to please not talk to him for 48 hours. You can't admit you're wrong because you ACTUALLY think you weren't, somehow.

 

[rmilia1]

I think hubris more than panic set in for Shanny, but either way. I do agree with you. The Pats, while making a truly great comeback. Don't win w/o some form of collapse/choke happening on Atlanta's end and Shanny's playcalling was it.

Yep. In spite of what some here appear to believe a coach actually should look at the clock, score and down and distance when calling a play lol.

 

[shopson67]

I've gotta go with 2014. I will never, ever understand that call.

1 play just can't compete with blowing a 4 possession lead.

 

[PDay8810]

I said 34 points not 38 and they clearly were the better team and if not for the calls would have scored 34 and won. That's reality. Sorry to throw some common sense into the thread were over already said my team choked

No way and justice was served for us football fans who were subjected to your daily over the top bull shit of being so superior. Now you look the whinny excuse maker part. Typical internet bull shitter that now squats to pee.

 

[NEhomer]

I said 34 points not 38 and they clearly were the better team and if not for the calls would have scored 34 and won. That's reality. Sorry to throw some common sense into the thread were over already said my team choked

First time I'm reading it.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Sorry bro but you don't get off the hook with that lame assed excuse.

What about executing the plays that were called? What about the vast difference in talent level between the teams? What about the Pats D having no answer at all? I mean, I recall that you were regretful about having to say it but facts are facts. The Pats D hasn't faced a QB like Ryan.

Hey man, I was laughing the whole two weeks about it but now, you're being a pussy.

Ryan took a sack he shouldn't have and the stage just got too big for him.

Fact.

Both in the Seattle game and this if players just do their job we're having a different conversation. In Seattle if Kearse picks Butler the ball doesn't get picked off. Kearse didn't but both Butler and Browner did. If # 75 doesn't hold or Freeman even gets a hand on Hightower maybe Atlanta doesn't lose all those yards.
Pats are better coached bottom line. Do your job.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

How was I wrong? I said it'd be close and your D would get lit. Both happened. Your offense did a great job of holding onto the ball and our staff choked so you win a game you got completely dominated in for the vast majority of it. Congrats on your 1 in 1000 win.

21 points = lit in Atlanta to the highest scoring offense

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

AND, I'll repeat AGAIN, you can't change the facts, Lynch had been ordinary bordering on shitty on obvious running downs short yardage for a LOOOONG time, and had in fact been stuffed in short yardage earlier in the same damn game.

I know it's a great narrative, but that's all it is, a narrative.

The hoodie (and everyone except B+B) weren't going to let Lynch beat them from there.

The only times he'd been pushing the pile was when he was hitting the second level, running on passing downs. He was ROUTINELY getting stuffed on obvious running downs.

That's a fact.

Common, I don't care what hoodie call's, the players on the field decide it and I think Lynch gets in.. Nothing will ever change my opinion on that... 3 chances to get less than a yard with Lynch.. Your giving too much credit to Belichick there, calling a goal-line D is calling a goal-line D, it's up to the players to execute... The play they read was the slant, route was jumped and we lost.. If you honestly think they stuff Lynch 3 times there, knock yourself out, I don't feel that way...

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Both in the Seattle game and this if players just do their job we're having a different conversation. In Seattle if Kearse picks Butler the ball doesn't get picked off. Kearse didn't but both Butler and Browner did. If # 75 doesn't hold or Freeman even gets a hand on Hightower maybe Atlanta doesn't lose all those yards.
Pats are better coached bottom line. Do your job.

Sometimes it's better to be conservative in certain situations also... situational football is important...

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The defense gave up 21 points, not 28. They ran 46 offensive plays, not 41. Coming in to this game, the Falcons had scored 0.52 points per offensive play run (taking out the 3 INT returns and 2 fumble returns). In the game, they scored 0.46 points per offensive play run.

So if the defense stinks, how did they hold the Falcons to below their average?

They hadn't faced a D like NEs all year

 

[chf]

Common, I don't care what hoodie call's, the players on the field decide it and I think Lynch gets in.. Nothing will ever change my opinion on that... 3 chances to get less than a yard with Lynch.. Your giving too much credit to Belichick there, calling a goal-line D is calling a goal-line D, it's up to the players to execute... The play they read was the slant, route was jumped and we lost.. If you honestly think they stuff Lynch 3 times there, knock yourself out, I don't feel that way...

There wasn't time for three run plays, thus the pass call.

Feel free to read up on the 'play,' there's no shortage of stuff written on it. The ONLY two guys on the Pats who made that read were B+B. Because Lockett tipped them with his lean. Nobody else was expecting the slant. Nobody. They were all lined up in jumbo to <gasp> stop Lynch.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, you don't however get to make up your own facts.

You've deleted the memories of Lynch getting routinely stuffed from your brain, because they don't jibe with the story you want to believe in.

Could Marshawn still have made some superhuman effort and won the game? Sure. But he'd struggled mightily not just that season, but the half season before too.

Belichek's whole philosophy is to take away something from you. On that play they sold out to stop Lynch. Thus the chess match, and the slant call. STILL 9 times out of 10 at worst, it's incomplete, clock stops, and they have the whole playbook to choose from.

But Butler made a play for the ages. That was based on great fucking coaching. But it wasn't coaching on THAT play, it was prep coaching because B+B had studied film, and saw Lockett leaning.

Belichek was expecting a run. So were the other 9 Pats on the field. So were ALL of the Pats offensive guys on the sidelines.

Butler was perfect, Browner was nearly so.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Sometimes it's better to be conservative in certain situations also... situational football is important...

Yep, but it's also just as easy to blame everyone else. In these cases the coaches. If the players did their job those same coaches would be heros?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

There wasn't time for three run plays, thus the pass call.

Feel free to read up on the 'play,' there's no shortage of stuff written on it. The ONLY two guys on the Pats who made that read were B+B. Because Lockett tipped them with his lean. Nobody else was expecting the slant. Nobody. They were all lined up in jumbo to <gasp> stop Lynch.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, you don't however get to make up your own facts.

You've deleted the memories of Lynch getting routinely stuffed from your brain, because they don't jibe with the story you want to believe in.

Could Marshawn still have made some superhuman effort and won the game? Sure. But he'd struggled mightily not just that season, but the half season before too.

Belichek's whole philosophy is to take away something from you. On that play they sold out to stop Lynch. Thus the chess match, and the slant call. STILL 9 times out of 10 at worst, it's incomplete, clock stops, and they have the whole playbook to choose from.

But Butler made a play for the ages. That was based on great fucking coaching. But it wasn't coaching on THAT play, it was prep coaching because B+B had studied film, and saw Lockett leaning.

Belichek was expecting a run. So were the other 9 Pats on the field. So were ALL of the Pats offensive guys on the sidelines.

Butler was perfect, Browner was nearly so.

The only thing I would add is Lynch moved from RB position to wide out if I'm not mistaken.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

There wasn't time for three run plays, thus the pass call.

Feel free to read up on the 'play,' there's no shortage of stuff written on it. The ONLY two guys on the Pats who made that read were B+B. Because Lockett tipped them with his lean. Nobody else was expecting the slant. Nobody. They were all lined up in jumbo to <gasp> stop Lynch.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, you don't however get to make up your own facts.

You've deleted the memories of Lynch getting routinely stuffed from your brain, because they don't jibe with the story you want to believe in.

Could Marshawn still have made some superhuman effort and won the game? Sure. But he'd struggled mightily not just that season, but the half season before too.

Belichek's whole philosophy is to take away something from you. On that play they sold out to stop Lynch. Thus the chess match, and the slant call. STILL 9 times out of 10 at worst, it's incomplete, clock stops, and they have the whole playbook to choose from.

But Butler made a play for the ages. That was based on great fucking coaching. But it wasn't coaching on THAT play, it was prep coaching because B+B had studied film, and saw Lockett leaning.

Belichek was expecting a run. So were the other 9 Pats on the field. So were ALL of the Pats offensive guys on the sidelines.

Butler was perfect, Browner was nearly so.

They had time, Just run it once, call a time-out if you don't get in, You can easily get off 2 more play's in the time that was left... It's cool man, were gonna always disagree on this, we both have our opinions... It's all good..

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Yep, but it's also just as easy to blame everyone else. In these cases the coaches. If the players did their job those same coaches would be heros?

I would a still been upset with the risk, obviously happy with the result, but NOT happy about the risk... Sometimes it's just better to play the safer odds... Atlanta on that last possession had the ball on your Pats 22 yard line, already in field goal range, just run it 2 more times and take a chance at a field goal, odds would a favored them more... I mean who knows, Pats could a blocked it, or he could a missed, but situational football say's the odds are better playing it conservative... My inner Chuck Knox comes out in those situations...

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I would a still been upset with the risk, obviously happy with the result, but NOT happy about the risk... Sometimes it's just better to play the safer odds... Atlanta on that last possession had the ball on your Pats 22 yard line, already in field goal range, just run it 2 more times and take a chance at a field goal, odds would a favored them more... I mean who knows, Pats could a blocked it, or he could a missed, but situational football say's the odds are better playing it conservative... My inner Chuck Knox comes out in those situations...

I agree. I'm a go with the averages type myself. But a lot of guessing takes place. That's what coaches get paid for. I think Quinn and Shanny got scared. They didn't want Brady getting the ball again. NE was unstoppable. Atlanta hadn't done anything on their last 5 possession. They saw a Kick almost get blocked (-) a controversial call. Ryan had just got two huge pass plays leading up to that. They tried a run and lost a yard. A lot of questions start running through your mind. Try to out guess the opponent.

What was worse was the amount of time they had been hiking the ball leading up to this. They should've been taking the clock down to 1 or 2 seconds every play. They were hiking it with 10-15. I was like what are you doing?

 

[chf]

They had time, Just run it once, call a time-out if you don't get in, You can easily get off 2 more play's in the time that was left... It's cool man, were gonna always disagree on this, we both have our opinions... It's all good..

They only have one time out left if they run there. Not enough time for three running plays, thus the pass call. AGAIN, opinions are all good, got no problem with that, but the facts of how much time remained and how many time outs they had left are what they are.

Pete should take some heat for clock management, if they'd HAD an extra timeout, they probably would have run something a little less risky than the slant.

I realize I'm not going to convince you, but so long as you put out there that it's a foregone conclusion that they should have run it, I'm going to argue with you.

Forever.

ESPECIALLY since you're a Hawks fan.

Don't get sucked into that lazy thinking media narrative.