What's Timmy's future with us?

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

23M off the books next season, I say bye bye Lincebum

 

[Robotech]

23M off the books next season, I say bye bye Lincebum

You're probably right. This relationship looks more and more like it has no future. You can't ignore how he's been the last 1+ seasons.

 

[msgkings322]

Also, he was HBP yesterday. And the day before.

Sure. But I'll be pretty surprised if he ever catches a Tim start again on a non-emergency basis. It'll be interesting to see if Timmy is even starting for us all year.

 

[msgkings322]

23M off the books next season, I say bye bye Lincebum

If he's willing to accept his fate and try the bullpen route I can see bringing him back in that capacity. Doesn't seem like he would. Let Seattle pay him 3/40 to be a 4th starter.

 

[sfsportsfan]

tbh, yesterday's start doesnt entirely worry me. aside from the 1st inning, he wasnt bad. he only went 5, but im sure he woulda been left in had his spot not came up in that situation.

he was bad the 1st inning, but Castro's homer was just bad luck. that was not a pitch that shoulda been hit out. i admit though the one Nate hit out was a shitty pitch.

to me the big thing is Timmy had 1 walk yesterday. he was at 60 pitches i think at the start of the 5, or something arounnd there. he only had a handful of 3 ball counts. thats a good sign.


i'd really like to see how he'd do with a couple starts with Posey catching.

 

[msgkings322]

tbh, yesterday's start doesnt entirely worry me. aside from the 1st inning, he wasnt bad. he only went 5, but im sure he woulda been left in had his spot not came up in that situation.

he was bad the 1st inning, but Castro's homer was just bad luck. that was not a pitch that shoulda been hit out. i admit though the one Nate hit out was a shitty pitch.

to me the big thing is Timmy had 1 walk yesterday. he was at 60 pitches i think at the start of the 5, or something arounnd there. he only had a handful of 3 ball counts. thats a good sign.


i'd really like to see how he'd do with a couple starts with Posey catching.

Me too, but will it ever happen? And I agree, yesterday was his best effort this year. I'd like to be wrong about him only being effective as a reliever now.

 

[sfsportsfan]

im sure its been speculated, but does anyone think the reason they dont work together, and "dont get along" has to do with jealousy? Timmy was THE guy before Buster showed up.

 

[msgkings322]

im sure its been speculated, but does anyone think the reason they dont work together, and "dont get along" has to do with jealousy? Timmy was THE guy before Buster showed up.

I've always thought it factored in, yes. This team was Tim's, and now it's Buster's, and some players have trouble with that. Also their personalities couldn't be much more different (all business redneck vs West coast stoner).

We can probably read too much into this stuff, but it does seem to be a thing. And what else is the internet for but random wild ass speculation?

 

[bone3421]

out of those FA names .....i would say garza/feldman would be the best options

both are young-ish and should benefit from the pitching friendly at&t....(especially feldman)

feldman was pretty solid at the rangers ballpark....will have to wait and see how he does in wrigley

 

[SFGRTB]

I think we are all talking about this WAYYYY too early. It's friggen April people. Posey hasn't hit a homer yet, but nobody seems to be worrying about that. And he's our $160 million dollar man.

Like sfsportsfan said, he wasn't that bad against the Cubs. He probably could've gone 7/8 innings they way he was cruising, but Boch took him out to get some offense which ended up paying off.

I think this topic is too soon, bring it back up at the ASB and see where he stands.

 

[msgkings322]

I think we are all talking about this WAYYYY too early. It's friggen April people. Posey hasn't hit a homer yet, but nobody seems to be worrying about that. And he's our $160 million dollar man.

Like sfsportsfan said, he wasn't that bad against the Cubs. He probably could've gone 7/8 innings they way he was cruising, but Boch took him out to get some offense which ended up paying off.

I think this topic is too soon, bring it back up at the ASB and see where he stands.

It's a fair point, sure, but it's not like we're talking 3 starts, we're talking a whole year + 3 starts. The Jonah Keri article I linked to lays it out pretty well, we will never see Cy Young Tim again, but he could maybe get back to effective 3-4 starter. And even that is not a lock.

 

[SFGRTB]

It's a fair point, sure, but it's not like we're talking 3 starts, we're talking a whole year + 3 starts. The Jonah Keri article I linked to lays it out pretty well, we will never see Cy Young Tim again, but he could maybe get back to effective 3-4 starter. And even that is not a lock.

Yeah I think we all can pretty much agree that (as sad as it may be) his Cy Young days as a starter are behind him. But, as the article lays out, his main problem is fastball command/mechanics. If he fixes that and he continues to miss swinging bats, he's back in the ballgame. From all the maps, data and statistics I've seen, the only things that are different are his decrease in fastball velocity, erratic fastball command and some inconsistent release points since 2011. His other pitches remain the same. The way I see it, if Tim can harness his fastball command, we may see Timmeh again. Maybe he needs to back off velocity his fastball more?

But like I said, call me at the ASB and we'll see.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think we are all talking about this WAYYYY too early. It's friggen April people. Posey hasn't hit a homer yet, but nobody seems to be worrying about that. And he's our $160 million dollar man.

Like sfsportsfan said, he wasn't that bad against the Cubs. He probably could've gone 7/8 innings they way he was cruising, but Boch took him out to get some offense which ended up paying off.

I think this topic is too soon, bring it back up at the ASB and see where he stands.

It is early, sure. But as MSG said, we are not talking about only 3 starts (all of which, by the way, we won). Posey has not gone yard, but he is coming off an MVP season. TOTALLY different scenario.

I understand the point everyone is making that Timmeh actually threw pretty well, except for the first inning. The problem is that he still had that first inning. He seems to ALWAYS have that first inning.

A doctor who kills his patient, but then sews up the wounds perfectly after the surgery...

STILL KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKING PATIENT!!

Timmeh still killed the patient.

 

[SFGRTB]

It is early, sure. But as MSG said, we are not talking about only 3 starts (all of which, by the way, we won). Posey has not gone yard, but he is coming off an MVP season. TOTALLY different scenario.

I understand the point everyone is making that Timmeh actually threw pretty well, except for the first inning. The problem is that he still had that first inning. He seems to ALWAYS have that first inning.

A doctor who kills his patient, but then sews up the wounds perfectly after the surgery...

STILL KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKING PATIENT!!

Timmeh still killed the patient.

My point is, the patient ain't dead yet. Critical condition and will take some work, but not dead.

If he regains fastball command, he can save the patient.

 

[msgkings322]

My point is, the patient ain't dead yet. Critical condition and will take some work, but not dead.

If he regains fastball command, he can save the patient.

I like the optimism, and I agree all hope is not yet lost

 

[calsnowskier]

My point is, the patient ain't dead yet. Critical condition and will take some work, but not dead.

If he regains fastball command, he can save the patient.

I am not saying hope is lost with Timmeh. I am just saying that the old excuse (used by myself as well) about his having 4 good innings but 1 HORRID inning is growing painfully stale. If he has that one inning every outing, who cares when the runs were given up. They were given up.

He spent one season as the worst SP in all of MLB. That is hard to do. That eats away a LOT of rope...

 

[1phlapdown]

If he could transition to the pen and be as effective as he was in the playoffs, maybe we could have another 1-2 knockout combo like Beck+Jackson. Remember those days?

 

[SFAnthem]

It is early, sure. But as MSG said, we are not talking about only 3 starts (all of which, by the way, we won). Posey has not gone yard, but he is coming off an MVP season. TOTALLY different scenario.

I understand the point everyone is making that Timmeh actually threw pretty well, except for the first inning. The problem is that he still had that first inning. He seems to ALWAYS have that first inning.

A doctor who kills his patient, but then sews up the wounds perfectly after the surgery...

STILL KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKING PATIENT!!

Timmeh still killed the patient.

That patient of a game flatlined and was revived several times. Dr. Pence performed some last minute CPR to bring him back.

Timmy has 30 or so more patients to see before we can fully evaluate his future

 

[SFAnthem]

I am not saying hope is lost with Timmeh. I am just saying that the old excuse (used by myself as well) about his having 4 good innings but 1 HORRID inning is growing painfully stale. If he has that one inning every outing, who cares when the runs were given up. They were given up.

He spent one season as the worst SP in all of MLB. That is hard to do. That eats away a LOT of rope...

It was his postseason performance that has given that small amount of rope back.

You're right, he cannot have another season as the worst starter and have us fans support his place in the rotation.

 

[SFGRTB]

I am not saying hope is lost with Timmeh. I am just saying that the old excuse (used by myself as well) about his having 4 good innings but 1 HORRID inning is growing painfully stale. If he has that one inning every outing, who cares when the runs were given up. They were given up.

He spent one season as the worst SP in all of MLB. That is hard to do. That eats away a LOT of rope...

I was trying not to use his start against the Cubs as my main example. I don't think he's as far off as people think. IMO, he's a little fastball command from being OK.

And yes, its tough to bounce back from a year as the worst starter in MLB but Tim's got a few good examples to look to in his fellow staff for some advice. He wouldn't be the first guy to come back from the bottom.