What's a Fair Price for Osweiler?

[58crash]

Are you saying to go after Manziel? If so, you are clearly off your rocker. Fitzpatrick would be the only QB on that list I would consider. As a matter of fact, he'd be the only QB on the whole FA list I would consider. Cousins will stay in Washington and I'm not sold on Bradford. I think I'd rather have Oz or Fitz, especially for the money it would take to sign Bradford.

Manziel would be miller's project so yes I would .

 

[58crash]

I would get miller close to signing and tell him ..he would fall for it hook line and a pound of sinkers attached to that line and you still would feel the bite..

Gary could get him playing at a very high level

 

[SpiritOf77]

Peyton Manning autographs a game worn jersey for Bennie Fowler - signs it "P Money"

lol

I think this is yet another indication that Peyton is retiring ( or expecting to leave the Broncos )

 

[58crash]

AKA means that is what Fowler calls his boy .. Pmoney I am sure

 

[58crash]

Lucas you know you be crazy like a fox ..and spot on ..

 

[Mingo]

Bennie very likely caught the final completed pass from PMoney.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I never said he don't I said he needs to prove himself . He was looking good at first but teams figured him out in the last few games . I want to see if that trend can be changed before spending that much on him I would let him go and Draft .

Who do you plan on drafting? You pick 31st. You really want to rely on at best a 2nd round rookie QB to run your offense? People have already mentioned the other FAs will cost as much or are not starters. The ONLY thing Denver has going is they will still have a dominant D next year. That helps but the QB is still going to need to put up some points.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Are you saying to go after Manziel? If so, you are clearly off your rocker. Fitzpatrick would be the only QB on that list I would consider. As a matter of fact, he'd be the only QB on the whole FA list I would consider. Cousins will stay in Washington and I'm not sold on Bradford. I think I'd rather have Oz or Fitz, especially for the money it would take to sign Bradford.

Fitzgerald threw 1 pick for every 2 TDs. Not sure he's the game manager Denver should look at? He also had one of his lowest comp% years. Denver would have to lock up CJ which they likely will, find another quality #2 RB, and secure the O line if they go with a Fitz type.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Manziel would be miller's project so yes I would .

Not a chance even if you paid him league min. In Colorado, where weed is legal? Actually as a Pats fan I say go for it

 

[jdlewis777]

I am not a Brock fan. Great respect for what I've heard of him as a person, but he looks unnatural at qb. Also I find it disconcerting that Brock and Jack Elway, who also went to asu, and are very close friends. Had physical attributes, but shouldn't have gone above RW (who I said at the time would go 1st overall if 3 inches taller). Always made me feel like Johns judgment was clouded by his perceived personal knowledge of a nice kid with big attributes but terrible feel for the position while at asu (struggled with competition / consistency). And being the first high qb prospect, elway as a hof qb had a personal stake in making sure that pick turned out. Now as I feared we either have to pay him big money with scant evidence one way or the other or lose him. I will probably always feel the pick was a mistake but he does seem like someone worth rooting for. Personally I'd offer 1yr 10-12 mil.. Let him prove himself over an entire year.

 

[cdumler7]

I am not a Brock fan. Great respect for what I've heard of him as a person, but he looks unnatural at qb. Also I find it disconcerting that Brock and Jack Elway, who also went to asu, and are very close friends. Had physical attributes, but shouldn't have gone above RW (who I said at the time would go 1st overall if 3 inches taller). Always made me feel like Johns judgment was clouded by his perceived personal knowledge of a nice kid with big attributes but terrible feel for the position while at asu (struggled with competition / consistency). And being the first high qb prospect, elway as a hof qb had a personal stake in making sure that pick turned out. Now as I feared we either have to pay him big money with scant evidence one way or the other or lose him. I will probably always feel the pick was a mistake but he does seem like someone worth rooting for. Personally I'd offer 1yr 10-12 mil.. Let him prove himself over an entire year.

Only problem with this idea is that I doubt Osweiler would go for it and why would he? This would be a very team friendly situation where you make him still have to prove that he is our starter for the future but I can promise you there are teams looking to lock him up for 4+ years at somewhere in the $15 million range with say $25-30 million in guarantees. That sets him and his family up for the rest of his life where taking that $10-12 million 1-year deal and say he blows out his throwing shoulder well then good chance his career is over. I just can't see him being ok with that.

Right now my guess is the best the Broncos can hope for is he is willing to sign a very incentive driven contract. Something like we offer him a 3-year $30 million contract with $10 million in guarantees but then have escalators built in that say he makes the Pro Bowl (not that hard these days it seems) then he gets another $2 million. If the Broncos make the playoffs he gets another $2 million. Build it up to where if he does really well he can get into that $17-20 million a year.

 

[MrDoc420]

I think cd hit on it exactly up above. There are teams out there like the Rams (again), Houston and a couple others that will probably throw in excess of $10-$12 million a year at Oz. Some sort of 3 year/$24 million deal isn't going to cut it to get him back, period. While the money is obviously going to be the monumental factor here, I'm also looking at how much time and effort we spent grooming this kid to be the future. You can't put a price on that kinda stuff, and say what you will, but the kid looked in control of things when he was in there and I loved how he wasn't afraid to stay in the pocket and take licks. Moxie, balls, good sense on the field (plenty of room for improvement), and a bazooka arm. What else are we exactly looking for in out QB?

In terms of where we stand going into next year at QB, I firmly believe that Osweiler gives us far and away the best chance to get back to the Super Bowl again.

 

[cdumler7]

I think cd hit on it exactly up above. There are teams out there like the Rams (again), Houston and a couple others that will probably throw in excess of $10-$12 million a year at Oz. Some sort of 3 year/$24 million deal isn't going to cut it to get him back, period. While the money is obviously going to be the monumental factor here, I'm also looking at how much time and effort we spent grooming this kid to be the future. You can't put a price on that kinda stuff, and say what you will, but the kid looked in control of things when he was in there and I loved how he wasn't afraid to stay in the pocket and take licks. Moxie, balls, good sense on the field (plenty of room for improvement), and a bazooka arm. What else are we exactly looking for in out QB?

In terms of where we stand going into next year at QB, I firmly believe that Osweiler gives us far and away the best chance to get back to the Super Bowl again.

There are things that I love about Osweiler and things that have me scared about his future.

Start out with things that make me a little nervous:

1) Kubiak's offense prefers an athletic QB that can get to the edge. While Osweiler was able to do it for the most part he still isn't quite as athletic as you would like. Just seems like the top half of his body gets moving much faster than the bottom half and we see the Eric Decker trip yourself kind of thing happen.

2) His height will mean he will take a lot more shots to his lower body. We saw this year in just 7 games that he was already breaking down with injuries to his shoulder, chest, and legs. Can he hold up for 16 games?

3) Now I do think this will become better with time but he took a lot of unnecessary hits and sacks because he refused to throw the football away. He has to have better awareness and better protection for his body. Say what you will about Manning's self sack there is a reason he lasted 18 years in this league without being mobile.

4) Maybe my biggest concern is when he got benched. I don't think Kubiak blamed him for the turnovers in that San Diego game but what he said about needing to see Osweiler lead this team I think what we saw was Osweiler showing a guy who can get really rattled. I'm not sure what all happened but I do know he started yelling at coaches and my guess is he was starting to blame others for what was happening. Yes not much of it was his fault but as a QB you have to be the guy to get the guys to calm down and go out and win. I remember listening to some guys from the Broncos of the 90's talk about how they could be down by 30 and Elway would still make them believe they could win.

Now things I love

1) Great arm with much better accuracy from when he was a rookie.

2) Seems to have the respect of his teammates.

3) Will stay in to take a hit to have the big play happen.

4) Seems like a kid that really loves the game and will put in the work to be good.

5) Handled everything this year with quite a bit of class. Even when benched still made it about the team even with the media trying to bait him into saying something he shouldn't.

There is more on both sides of the coin. Again I hope we get this kid signed as I do think he can be good in this league. Just finding that price that the team and him can be comfortable with I think is getting more challenging by the day.

 

[SpringStein]

I was 100% with JD until the one year proposal. Ain't no agent in the world that would agree to that. I'm expecting something like 3 years/36 MM with about $22 MM guaranteed.

 

[cdumler7]

I was 100% with JD until the one year proposal. Ain't no agent in the world that would agree to that. I'm expecting something like 3 years/36 MM with about $22 MM guaranteed.

I think that right there will be the tops the Broncos would be willing to pay. The question becomes is he ok turning down possibly $9 million more and probably another $8 million in guarantees from another team desperate for a QB. I know people view it as the Broncos should get a bit of a discount since we helped train him but would any of us on here really take a $9 million discount to show loyalty to the team we are playing for? That is a lot of money that can help set up him, his family, the charities that he helps with, and so much more. I'm sure he is looking at QB's like Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub (pretty much any QB with the name Matt) and seeing how quickly they went from FA got to have QB to barely back ups in this league. How quickly you can go from sought after by every team to can't unload this player fast enough.

 

[CEH]

I just don;t see a market for Brock that is over $10MM a year. $12MM would be a max so a 3 year $30MM with Denver and its defense vs 3 yr $36MM with some scrub team . I think Brock resigns with Denver.

 

[cdumler7]

I just don;t see a market for Brock that is over $10MM a year. $12MM would be a max so a 3 year $30MM with Denver and its defense vs 3 yr $36MM with some scrub team . I think Brock resigns with Denver.

I see it as there is a huge market for Osweiler. This is a league starved for QB's of even average talent. Heck the 18th highest paid QB in the league is making $16 million a year. I see 13 teams with $30 million or more in Cap Space. I see among those teams Cleveland, San Fran, maybe Bears, Rams, Texans, Chargers all looking for QB help. Some of them not right away but they all need an upgrade at the QB position. I look at the Rams and Texans seeing they have very talented rosters that are missing a QB but they are too far down in the draft to get one of the top-2 guys that could probably start right away. I see Cleveland maybe not believing in those top-2 guys so willing to pay Osweiler then take a guy like Bosa to bolster the defense.

So to me $12 million is maybe the bottom of what we could expect even the Broncos to give him. I could see him possibly having a market clear up to $17 million. Heck even heard on the radio today that there are rumors that some team if Osweiler were to hit the market would get close to $20 million a year. I mean that puts him as the 10th highest paid QB in the league. I doubt that happens but easily could see him being in that 11-18 range which would put him anywhere between $16-19.3 million.

 

[Malibu]

I am not a Brock fan. Great respect for what I've heard of him as a person, but he looks unnatural at qb. Also I find it disconcerting that Brock and Jack Elway, who also went to asu, and are very close friends. Had physical attributes, but shouldn't have gone above RW (who I said at the time would go 1st overall if 3 inches taller). Always made me feel like Johns judgment was clouded by his perceived personal knowledge of a nice kid with big attributes but terrible feel for the position while at asu (struggled with competition / consistency). And being the first high qb prospect, elway as a hof qb had a personal stake in making sure that pick turned out. Now as I feared we either have to pay him big money with scant evidence one way or the other or lose him. I will probably always feel the pick was a mistake but he does seem like someone worth rooting for. Personally I'd offer 1yr 10-12 mil.. Let him prove himself over an entire year.

You do realize with out Brock this year the Broncos wouldn't have gotten homefield advantage. He was a huge part of the Broncos winning the Super Bowl. I would say in some cases more then Manning. I'm not saying he is going to be the guy or is the guy or is worth what he may be looking for but seriously when I hear the other options that are being discussed I'm not sure Brock isn't better then all of them. It will all come down to money as usual.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I see it as there is a huge market for Osweiler. This is a league starved for QB's of even average talent. Heck the 18th highest paid QB in the league is making $16 million a year. I see 13 teams with $30 million or more in Cap Space. I see among those teams Cleveland, San Fran, maybe Bears, Rams, Texans, Chargers all looking for QB help. Some of them not right away but they all need an upgrade at the QB position. I look at the Rams and Texans seeing they have very talented rosters that are missing a QB but they are too far down in the draft to get one of the top-2 guys that could probably start right away. I see Cleveland maybe not believing in those top-2 guys so willing to pay Osweiler then take a guy like Bosa to bolster the defense.

So to me $12 million is maybe the bottom of what we could expect even the Broncos to give him. I could see him possibly having a market clear up to $17 million. Heck even heard on the radio today that there are rumors that some team if Osweiler were to hit the market would get close to $20 million a year. I mean that puts him as the 10th highest paid QB in the league. I doubt that happens but easily could see him being in that 11-18 range which would put him anywhere between $16-19.3 million.

See I don't CD. The sample size is just too small, which makes the rookies with 1st rd grades look a whole lot better to me.

Let's establish the QB needy market.

CLE...no question, but barring some thing crazy happening, they will get no worse than the 2nd QB off the draft board and pay him 4/$22/$22G. give or take.

SF, PHI, LA...one of those teams will not get one of the top QBs in this draft...so that team along with NYJ, WAS, DEN and HOU imo is the real market for Osweiler and you can throw RG3 and Cousins in there as competition for the FA $

You're probably in the ball park on the contract, $12 mil per is probably bottom rung. But imo he means more to DEN than any other team right now.

 

[CEH]

I see it as there is a huge market for Osweiler. This is a league starved for QB's of even average talent. Heck the 18th highest paid QB in the league is making $16 million a year. I see 13 teams with $30 million or more in Cap Space. I see among those teams Cleveland, San Fran, maybe Bears, Rams, Texans, Chargers all looking for QB help. Some of them not right away but they all need an upgrade at the QB position. I look at the Rams and Texans seeing they have very talented rosters that are missing a QB but they are too far down in the draft to get one of the top-2 guys that could probably start right away. I see Cleveland maybe not believing in those top-2 guys so willing to pay Osweiler then take a guy like Bosa to bolster the defense.

So to me $12 million is maybe the bottom of what we could expect even the Broncos to give him. I could see him possibly having a market clear up to $17 million. Heck even heard on the radio today that there are rumors that some team if Osweiler were to hit the market would get close to $20 million a year. I mean that puts him as the 10th highest paid QB in the league. I doubt that happens but easily could see him being in that 11-18 range which would put him anywhere between $16-19.3 million.

When I see Brock I think Nick Foles. I just don;t think teams regardless of needing a QB will break the bank for Brock. I suggest Denver will be about $2MM less than the other teams. 12 vs 14, 10 vs 12 over 3 years whatever the high is. I doubt Denver goes over $12MM.

Some team can have Brock at $20MM though I seriously doubt it. Some QB will drop to Denver in the draft. They always do.