Warriors 2.0: from Showtime Lakers to the Spurs

[WiggyRuss]

The warriors will disappear soon along with their fans

losing Durant after the team doctors shit all over themselves, having an owner physically assault a player, and having Klay destroy his knee, trading iguadala to save money and having Cousins walk to talk less money with the Lakers certainly was not a good offseason.

Like I said--- we will truly get a taste of what Curry's real worth is this season. If he has the ability to truly carry a team.

Especially after 5 straight seasons of going deep in the playoffs, losing all of that scoring around him, I bet that he misses time unless they really monitor and control his minutes.

Curry is fragile as is---- with the load he has had and the load he will have this upcoming season, I would suspect he wont get through it fully healthy.

Even a freak like LeBron saw the effects of all the fatigue (albeit- a lot lot more games, playoff appearances, load, etc.)

 

[msgkings322]

The Celtics didn't win 4...You dumb?

The Warriors won 6, 4 in Golden State, so I guess they are a dynasty

 

[Black Adam]

They lost to Toronto and they lost to the Cavs...Hope that helps with your math, detective!

so wait...

you're counting the Raps as a Cavs victory...?!

and i thought Mr. Fantastic could stretch...

 

[CitySushi]

losing Durant after the team doctors shit all over themselves, having an owner physically assault a player, and having Klay destroy his knee, trading iguadala to save money and having Cousins walk to talk less money with the Lakers certainly was not a good offseason.

Like I said--- we will truly get a taste of what Curry's real worth is this season. If he has the ability to truly carry a team.

Especially after 5 straight seasons of going deep in the playoffs, losing all of that scoring around him, I bet that he misses time unless they really monitor and control his minutes.

Curry is fragile as is---- with the load he has had and the load he will have this upcoming season, I would suspect he wont get through it fully healthy.

Even a freak like LeBron saw the effects of all the fatigue (albeit- a lot lot more games, playoff appearances, load, etc.)

Keep adding those qualifiers as what Curry's real worth is.

If he has a great season, you're just going to come back and say he was still playing with two all-stars in Draymond Green and D'Lo. Can't win. LOL.

 

[lebron23james]

so wait...

you're counting the Raps as a Cavs victory...?!

and i thought Mr. Fantastic could stretch...

Wat lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

I asked you that omg

How about we average his PER over the last 5 years and see if he is in that range?

i mean, I would tend to agree with the other guy that said that would not be an apt way to do it since PER is hugely based on volume of stats--- and with losing Durant, the decline and ex-communication of Iguadala to save money, with Draymond seemingly entering a physical decline of his own, with Cousins- who albeit only played 30 games but did put up 16 a game in those games, he is going to have more opportunities and be forced to carry more of a load than anytime in his entire career.

I think we will see a decline in efficiency, and we will CERTAINLY 100% see a decline in his defensive ability- thats without question. He will absolutely be slower coming off picks, etc.

but honestly- not this year since no way will he get to 100% this year- but next year it wouldnt surprise me if he scored the most points of his career with declining efficiency and declining defensive ability and never again will he play 78+ games a season.

 

[Bart]

You realize, that over the course of their dynasty,

If anything the Warriors have been on the cautious side with player comebacks.

KD was the outlier and he made it clear that it was his decision to come back and that he was not pressured.

Klay is going to rush himself back. It will be up to the Warriors to get him to chill out.

Remember, Klay wanted to come back and play in game 6 after he got hurt. The Warriors will definitely be trying to slow him down.

Why do GS fans claim that Curry was hurt during the Finals then?

 

[lebron23james]

losing Durant after the team doctors shit all over themselves, having an owner physically assault a player, and having Klay destroy his knee, trading iguadala to save money and having Cousins walk to talk less money with the Lakers certainly was not a good offseason.

Like I said--- we will truly get a taste of what Curry's real worth is this season. If he has the ability to truly carry a team.

Especially after 5 straight seasons of going deep in the playoffs, losing all of that scoring around him, I bet that he misses time unless they really monitor and control his minutes.

Curry is fragile as is---- with the load he has had and the load he will have this upcoming season, I would suspect he wont get through it fully healthy.

Even a freak like LeBron saw the effects of all the fatigue (albeit- a lot lot more games, playoff appearances, load, etc.)

Curry is the greatest shooter in NBA history. He is not even close to the greatest basketball player tho

That is why he never wins unless he has it completely stacked...He won't lead that team anywhere and hopefully tlance will stop sucking him off but i won't hold my breath

 

[Black Adam]

Wat lol

you forgot your halo...

 

[msgkings322]

i mean, I would tend to agree with the other guy that said that would not be an apt way to do it since PER is hugely based on volume of stats--- and with losing Durant, the decline and ex-communication of Iguadala to save money, with Draymond seemingly entering a physical decline of his own, with Cousins- who albeit only played 30 games but did put up 16 a game in those games, he is going to have more opportunities and be forced to carry more of a load than anytime in his entire career.

I think we will see a decline in efficiency, and we will CERTAINLY 100% see a decline in his defensive ability- thats without question. He will absolutely be slower coming off picks, etc.

but honestly- not this year since no way will he get to 100% this year- but next year it wouldnt surprise me if he scored the most points of his career with declining efficiency and declining defensive ability and never again will he play 78+ games a season.

So bet or nah?

 

[lebron23james]

Why do GS fans claim that Curry was hurt during the Finals then?

He was only hurt once they started losing lol

 

[CitySushi]

i mean, I would tend to agree with the other guy that said that would not be an apt way to do it since PER is hugely based on volume of stats--- and with losing Durant, the decline and ex-communication of Iguadala to save money, with Draymond seemingly entering a physical decline of his own, with Cousins- who albeit only played 30 games but did put up 16 a game in those games, he is going to have more opportunities and be forced to carry more of a load than anytime in his entire career.

I think we will see a decline in efficiency, and we will CERTAINLY 100% see a decline in his defensive ability- thats without question. He will absolutely be slower coming off picks, etc.

but honestly- not this year since no way will he get to 100% this year- but next year it wouldnt surprise me if he scored the most points of his career with declining efficiency and declining defensive ability and never again will he play 78+ games a season.

78+. Wow that's a bold take.

Fun fact Kawhi Leonard has never...NEVER...in his career played in 78 games during a regular season. But cool though. Cool.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Keep adding those qualifiers as what Curry's real worth is.

If he has a great season, you're just going to come back and say he was still playing with two all-stars in Draymond Green and D'Lo. Can't win. LOL.

im a little hesitant to call "D'Lo" an all star caliber player- after one appearance as a replacement on a team that he had the ball in his hands a LOT of the time.

what qualifiers? You think playing with Durant and a healthy Klay is the same as playing with McKinnie and Russell? Or a front court that is probably the weakest its been during the last 5+ years?

what i am saying is without all that help and the lack of attention that other players will draw--- we can see what Curry can do under conditions that players like LeBron and Kobe etc. had to endure at various times during their careers.

My guess is he falls substantially short and is not even a serious MVP candidate.

 

[CitySushi]

Why do GS fans claim that Curry was hurt during the Finals then?

Probably the same reasons that Lebron fans have always cried about him having no help. Helps ease the pain of reality.

 

[WiggyRuss]

78+. Wow that's a bold take.

Fun fact Kawhi Leonard has never...NEVER...in his career played in 78 games during a regular season. But cool though. Cool.

im just saying that the load that he has played the last few years likely was a substantial factor in destroying his knee.

when you play 81, 77, 80, 78, 73, 78 games and then have deep playoff runs- that wear and tear adds up. And then you get what you get.

My point is that post injury I find it highly unlikely he will be able to come close to the same kind of durability he once exhibited- especially as it moves into his 30's---- certainly not an unreasonable take.

 

[CitySushi]

im a little hesitant to call "D'Lo" an all star caliber player- after one appearance as a replacement on a team that he had the ball in his hands a LOT of the time.

what qualifiers? You think playing with Durant and a healthy Klay is the same as playing with McKinnie and Russell? Or a front court that is probably the weakest its been during the last 5+ years?

what i am saying is without all that help and the lack of attention that other players will draw--- we can see what Curry can do under conditions that players like LeBron and Kobe etc. had to endure at various times during their careers.

My guess is he falls substantially short and is not even a serious MVP candidate.

I get your take, but do you honestly believe in 2015 and 2016 before Durant that Steph wasn't getting routinely double teamed? Just genuinely curious.

I get that the Klay to D-Lo swap is obviously, but who else drew offensive attention back in 15 and 16. The 4 scoring leaders for the Warriors in 15 were Steph at 23, Klay at 21, Draymond at 11.7 and MO BUCKETS at 10.4

 

[lebron23james]

im just saying that the load that he has played the last few years likely was a substantial factor in destroying his knee.

when you play 81, 77, 80, 78, 73, 78 games and then have deep playoff runs- that wear and tear adds up. And then you get what you get.

My point is that post injury I find it highly unlikely he will be able to come close to the same kind of durability he once exhibited- especially as it moves into his 30's---- certainly not an unreasonable take.

Especially with no Durant to carry them. Who is going to do it? Curry lol

 

[CitySushi]

im just saying that the load that he has played the last few years likely was a substantial factor in destroying his knee.

when you play 81, 77, 80, 78, 73, 78 games and then have deep playoff runs- that wear and tear adds up. And then you get what you get.

My point is that post injury I find it highly unlikely he will be able to come close to the same kind of durability he once exhibited- especially as it moves into his 30's---- certainly not an unreasonable take.

Your take is reasonable in that no injury should be dismissed in their long term affects. But I just found it humorous you used 78 games as your benchmark. If it was 70, that would have been more apt to your point.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So bet or nah?

using PER? absolutely not--- a largely volume based statistic for a guy that is likely to be depended on more than ever with the mass exodus of talent on the team?

 

[CitySushi]

im a little hesitant to call "D'Lo" an all star caliber player- after one appearance as a replacement on a team that he had the ball in his hands a LOT of the time.

what qualifiers? You think playing with Durant and a healthy Klay is the same as playing with McKinnie and Russell? Or a front court that is probably the weakest its been during the last 5+ years?

what i am saying is without all that help and the lack of attention that other players will draw--- we can see what Curry can do under conditions that players like LeBron and Kobe etc. had to endure at various times during their careers.

My guess is he falls substantially short and is not even a serious MVP candidate.

So what would it take for you to admit to Curry finally establishing himself as a guy who can carry a team?

Since his team is pretty much dog shit, as made evident by lots around here, what do you believe should be realistic accomplishments for him to prove he can carry a team?