Treff's 2022 Mock Draft sure to be wrong

[Clayton]

TBF there were rumors pretty much about every QB. It was like Rosen for a bit, then a bit of Darnold then Josh Allen they are taking him no doubt and all of sudden the Baker steam came about before the draft and we all knew he would be the guy. I don't regret the pick. I don't think Allen is the same QB with 4 HC's and 3 OC's. His progression has been remarkable, a lot of hard work but stability helped too.

The thing about Josh Allen is that Mahomes wasn't a known commodity at that point. People were comparing Allen to Mahomes at the time but that was considered a bit of an enigma. If Mahomes blows up before that draft pick, I strongly suspect Allen goes #1 overall.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think they should stand exactly where they are, take whichever QB they feel is their guy, and sit that lil shit down behind Darnold, who might suck, but is a pro who could be learned from, for the entire year..no exceptions..just let the kid sit and learn, period. Because regardless, they are going to suck, so suck with Darnold, you have to pay him anyways, build the Oline, get him some protection, another high pick next year they can grab another lineman or a strong WR, or whatever and they can start fresh '23 with Darnold either playing the Brain Hoyer role or gone.


The Seachickens are where Baker belongs in '22..they have no business taking a QB at 9..especailly after the Panthers take one right in front of them

Yeah the Seahawks originally had the most interest in Baker, I do see that as the better option but not sure at this point.

 

[TKOSpikes]

TBF there were rumors pretty much about every QB. It was like Rosen for a bit, then a bit of Darnold then Josh Allen they are taking him no doubt and all of sudden the Baker steam came about before the draft and we all knew he would be the guy. I don't regret the pick. I don't think Allen is the same QB with 4 HC's and 3 OC's. His progression has been remarkable, a lot of hard work but stability helped too.

I also don’t think Baker is anywhere near Allen with their draft landings flipped.

Baker threw a bunch of TDs in his rookie season and decided that was his Super Bowl. He didn’t need to get better, everyone around him had to. I don’t believe you can lead men with that attitude. Scheme only takes you, or limits you so far…

When Beckham landed, they both acted like they didn’t even need to play the games.

Remember when Baker mocked Duke Johnson for not wanting to sit behind Chubb and Hunt?

Baker is all about Baker. Unless he changes that, his next team will be deja vu.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The Seachickens are where Baker belongs in '22..they have no business taking a QB at 9..especailly after the Panthers take one right in front of them

Seahawks draft a QB in the first I may have to slit my throat. I'd be OK with drafting Carson Strong in the 5th or 6th if they feel they need more competition at QB, other wise roll with Lock and take their lumps and see if they can find their guy next season with a better QB class. They aren't going to be able to draft the top 2 or maybe even top 3 but with 2 firsts next season they should be able to land someone with much more potential then those in this class.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I also don’t think Baker is anywhere near Allen with their draft landings flipped.

Baker threw a bunch of TDs in his rookie season and decided that was his Super Bowl. He didn’t need to get better, everyone around him had to. I don’t believe you can lead men with that attitude. Scheme only takes you, or limits you so far…

When Beckham landed, they both acted like they didn’t even need to play the games.

Remember when Baker mocked Duke Johnson for not wanting to sit behind Chubb and Hunt?

Baker is all about Baker. Unless he changes that, his next team will be deja vu.

Well for me it’s more about Allen and his development and less about Baker. Allen was very inaccurate and he had to change his entire throwing motion. For a QB to do all that and become a top 3 QB in the league is remarkable. Everyone knew he was an athlete but nobody in their right mind knew he could improve like he did unless they simply guessed. Athletic ability only takes you so far…I don’t think Baker would have been better in a different scenario but I also don’t think Allen is the same player in a different atmosphere especially that Browns toxic environment

 

[TKOSpikes]

Well for me it’s more about Allen and his development and less about Baker. Allen was very inaccurate and he had to change his entire throwing motion. For a QB to do all that and become a top 3 QB in the league is remarkable. Everyone knew he was an athlete but nobody in their right mind knew he could improve like he did unless they simply guessed. Athletic ability only takes you so far…I don’t think Baker would have been better in a different scenario but I also don’t think Allen is the same player in a different atmosphere especially that Browns toxic environment

I remember having this debate in 2018.
Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones with one of the worst O lines in the league. Accuracy was never on Josh. But yes, he did change up his approach as to not fire bullets every time. Gave John Brown his career year in 2019.

Allen scored highest on Wonderlik in that draft class (for what that’s worth, I believe in it). He brought attitude.

I’m no expert, not even an above average scout, but I could see he was going to be good almost immediately. After 22 years of a QB search, I knew what bad looked like. Lol

 

[averagejoe]

All this trade talk could be for the non-fantasy skill positions.

 

[TREFF]

I remember having this debate in 2018.
Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones with one of the worst O lines in the league. Accuracy was never on Josh. But yes, he did change up his approach as to not fire bullets every time. Gave John Brown his career year in 2019.

Allen scored highest on Wonderlik in that draft class (for what that’s worth, I believe in it). He brought attitude.

I’m no expert, not even an above average scout, but I could see he was going to be good almost immediately. After 22 years of a QB search, I knew what bad looked like. Lol

I can't recall the list any more, or find it anywhere, but I do recall there being a very small list of winning QB's who did poorly on the wunderlik . I also believe in it, especially at the QB position..seems to be awfully relevant. A high score doesn't necessarily equate to being successful, but a low score certainly does have a correlation with unsuccessful results.

 

[TREFF]

All this trade talk could be for the non-fantasy skill positions.

very true. Lots of teams could be moving around to score those edge rushers and the couple "might be great" Olinemen, a few DB's that I could definitely see trading up to get as well.

 

[TREFF]

@TKOSpikes , those draft beatniks sitll pushing the BIlls 1st rd RB narrative. I just don't get it it.

A RB is not what didn't win that playoff game, a RB would not have made stopped the Chiefs form scoring, a RB is not the missing piece for this team, and they truly are one or two missing pieces away.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I can't recall the list any more, or find it anywhere, but I do recall there being a very small list of winning QB's who did poorly on the wunderlik . I also believe in it, especially at the QB position..seems to be awfully relevant. A high score doesn't necessarily equate to being successful, but a low score certainly does have a correlation with unsuccessful results.

Willis is the guy in this draft then

 

[TKOSpikes]

@TKOSpikes , those draft beatniks sitll pushing the BIlls 1st rd RB narrative. I just don't get it it.

A RB is not what didn't win that playoff game, a RB would not have made stopped the Chiefs form scoring, a RB is not the missing piece for this team, and they truly are one or two missing pieces away.

I agree. Singletary was finally given a chance to lead and he led. I love him. His legs never stop moving….hence the nickname, Motor.

That said, this is Singletary’s last season of contract. UFA next year. I doubt he’ll be asking to break the bank, but a five year Hall makes sense with that reasoning. I still disagree. There should be a handful of really good corners available at 25. Motor and Duke is a good balance I think. Moss never impressed me and I pushed back against his hype last year, but that’s not worth going RB imo.

But I’ve decided I won’t break anything in the house if Hall is picked. Beane and McDermott know what they’re doing, (Dane Jackson showed skills, and was a late rounder)… wouldn’t kill us if he was CB2, with another guy drafted on Friday or Saturday.

 

[TREFF]

I agree. Singletary was finally given a chance to lead and he led. I love him. His legs never stop moving….hence the nickname, Motor.

That said, this is Singletary’s last season of contract. UFA next year. I doubt he’ll be asking to break the bank, but a five year Hall makes sense with that reasoning. I still disagree. There should be a handful of really good corners available at 25. Motor and Duke is a good balance I think. Moss never impressed me and I pushed back against his hype last year, but that’s not worth going RB imo.

But I’ve decided I won’t break anything in the house if Hall is picked. Beane and McDermott know what they’re doing, (Dane Jackson showed skills, and was a late rounder)… wouldn’t kill us if he was CB2, with another guy drafted on Friday or Saturday.

Well I'd sure like to see a DB or an Edge rusher, or even a big mauling lineman before RB, if you want a RB, given the slight difference in value, or at least the perceived slight difference, between Hall and the next 2, take one in the 2nd or third. No matter who they take, Josh Allen is still gonna be the man on the ground in crunch time

 

[TKOSpikes]

That said, I’d prefer to grab Edmunds replacement (he is also UFA next year). I like him, and he should be better, but he’s more attributes than results. If Lloyd or Dean are there, I might prefer them to Booth or Gordon or McDuffie.

 

[TREFF]

That said, I’d prefer to grab Edmunds replacement (he is also UFA next year). I like him, and he should be better, but he’s more attributes than results. If Lloyd or Dean are there, I might prefer them to Booth or Gordon or McDuffie.

that'd work too...I have Edmonds in all my IDP leagues though..so I hope he doesn't wash out like Jaylon Smith did

 

[TKOSpikes]

Well I'd sure like to see a DB or an Edge rusher, or even a big mauling lineman before RB, if you want a RB, given the slight difference in value, or at least the perceived slight difference, between Hall and the next 2, take one in the 2nd or third. No matter who they take, Josh Allen is still gonna be the man on the ground in crunch time

With the dollar bills we gave to Von, I don’t see pass rush being our desire. Rousseau looks like a keeper there.
With our secondary strength, stopping the run is more of an issue for me. I’ve cursed Edmunds a little too often in that regard.

 

[TKOSpikes]

that'd work too...I have Edmonds in all my IDP leagues though..so I hope he doesn't wash out like Jaylon Smith did

He’s only 23 (about to be 24). That’s the thing. I want to love him. He should be better. Maybe it clicks this year. His size forced him in the middle, but he probably excels at WLB. I wonder if he and Milano should switch positions.

 

[TKOSpikes]

The NFL Draft Red Carpet…



What genius decided the audience to the NFL draft were wanting this disgrace of a shit show? Seriously, WTF?

 

[TKOSpikes]

Question for the semantic mind…

Hasn’t every QB ever drafted had the need to be developed?
With the possible exception of Cam Newton who fizzled out because he didn’t need to be developed?

 

[TREFF]

Question for the semantic mind…

Hasn’t every QB ever drafted had the need to be developed?
With the possible exception of Cam Newton who fizzled out because he didn’t need to be developed?

Rg3 would fit that as well.

There can't be many who started and succeeded from day 1, and had extensive careers.