Draft review

[Lake Shore Drive]

I mean, most QBs taken late 3rd round or later are not pro QBs. He'd have been picked by one of those guys who really run NFL drafts (not the so-called experts or clueless fans of course) IMO.

It's not very common for a team to take not just two QBs in the same draft, but two RBs as well. For the latter, it's possible your GM is attempting to create in Judkins & Sampson, the Lions equivalent of thunder & ice. Those are two talented backs your team drafted and they just might pull it off. I'll never understand taking Gabriel with the 94th pick, but that's water under the bridge now. I still think the highlight in your draft this year was to obtain the Jags 1st rounder next year. There's a decent possibility, if not probability that you'll end up with two picks in the top 10. That should land you some serious leverage next offseason.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I mean, most QBs taken late 3rd round or later are not pro QBs. He'd have been picked by one of those guys who really run NFL drafts (not the so-called experts or clueless fans of course) IMO.

But people get productive players in the 3rd round every draft. You likely have some on your team now. That’s why this was such a wasted pick and why I called it out.

 

[Manster7588]

for comparison 2020 draft
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Raiders had a great 1st round.

 

[dtgold88]

It's not very common for a team to take not just two QBs in the same draft, but two RBs as well. For the latter, it's possible your GM is attempting to create in Judkins & Sampson, the Lions equivalent of thunder & ice. Those are two talented backs your team drafted and they just might pull it off. I'll never understand taking Gabriel with the 94th pick, but that's water under the bridge now. I still think the highlight in your draft this year was to obtain the Jags 1st rounder next year. There's a decent possibility, if not probability that you'll end up with two picks in the top 10. That should land you some serious leverage next offseason.

No disagreement with this really at all. Thought Gabriel pick was curious. But if you told me we would draft Sanders in, say, round 3 and Gabriel in round 5-6 I'd have been on board with it.

Doubtful we have settled on a QB of future by next draft so agree the extra #1 could be huge. Wish Jville was in a different division.

 

[dtgold88]

But people get productive players in the 3rd round every draft. You likely have some on your team now. That’s why this was such a wasted pick and why I called it out.

Yep....and people - especially fans with an agenda - are wrong all the time about players in the draft and why despite you not wanting to believe it this pick could work out.

Never mind the vast majority of late 3rds at any position amount to little or nothing.

 

[shopson67]

3. Jeanty - he’s expected to do big things with no QB and no offensive line.

I think Geno and that line (plus 2 draft picks invested this year, plus acquired Kappa) are better than you are giving credit for.

 

[shopson67]

No disagreement with this really at all. Thought Gabriel pick was curious. But if you told me we would draft Sanders in, say, round 3 and Gabriel in round 5-6 I'd have been on board with it.

Doubtful we have settled on a QB of future by next draft so agree the extra #1 could be huge. Wish Jville was in a different division.

It just seemed a case of "we have that at home already" in Pickett. If picked in the opposite order, why would they pick Gabriel?

Was Sanders really an ownership call as reported? That's the only way drafting 2 QBs out of this weaker class makes any sense.

 

[dtgold88]

It just seemed a case of "we have that at home already" in Pickett. If picked in the opposite order, why would they pick Gabriel?

Was Sanders really an ownership call as reported? That's the only way drafting 2 QBs out of this weaker class makes any sense.

It's really pretty simple. Like any FO they don't care what clueless fans or the the fake drafters in the media think. They liked Gabriel....enough to go see him and not let it out they met with him. Then they picked him in the late 3rd round. Notion fans have he lasts until round 5-6 or later is just a guess as who knows if another team liked him.

They probably also liked Sanders and like other maybe a little turned off by his demeanor? But figured a guy who had the talent to go much earlier was a solid value pick once round 5 came around and what's wrong with taking 2 swings at a QB? I mean, the Skins gave up a big haul to move up a little and grab a guy they were enamoured with at #2 in entire draft and still used a 4th on a QB. Seattle paid big money for a QB and still took another in round 3.

Position is kind of imoportant.......and if none pan out hopefully with their pick and Jville pick next year can take a swing round 1 next year.

 

[Cincyfan78]

1. What player in fove years will be considered the best in the draft?

2. What player is under the most pressure to succeed?

3. Which 1st rounder is in the worst situation?

4. Which top 10 pick will be out of thr league first?

5. What player was the biggest reach?

6. What player was the biggest value?

1 - Will Campbell. Going with a non-skill guy, I know...but I think he can be an all-pro LT, and those are really, really hard to come by.

2 - Travis Hunter. Playing both ways, and the Jags got FLEECED to move up and select him. If he doesn't meet those lofty goals, that's a lot of draft capital wasted.

3 - Jeanty. A RB in today's NFL, and on an offense that is an abject mess, behind a line that isn't great....

4 - Jeanty. See above, plus, RB shelf-life is notoriously short compared to other positions.

5 - Tyler Booker. It's not that I don't like Booker, but guys who are exclusively IOL guys and get drafted round 1 usually have a bit better profile. Most guys drafted at IOL high are former OT prospects, but not Booker. Plus, that offense is a mess, and asking him to come in and anchor down that line as a pure IOL...it's a lot, and probably unfair. To me (a complete unprofessional arm-chair GM) he's a guy that should have gone in the bottom quarter of round 1, or even early in day 2.

6 - Josh Simmons - probably would have been one of the 1st OL to go before his injury. Assuming he recovers fully, he can still be that guy - and getting him at 32 represents a really good value. Few others I liked late are Starks to Bmore and Campbell to Phi.

 

[Clayton]

3 - Jeanty. A RB in today's NFL, and on an offense that is an abject mess, behind a line that isn't great....

Raiders are a tough read with OL. They were 21st/22nd in run blocking stats last year but in the final month last year they played much better (the sight Im looking at has them ranked 8th over that period). Kolton Miller and in theory JPJ should be plus players and DJ Glaze might improve in year 2. They also have the best TE room in the league.

Geno Smith is also fairly close to a league average QB. Their WR room is suspect but honestly every else could be there.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Raiders are a tough read with OL. They were 21st/22nd in run blocking stats last year but in the final month last year they played much better (the sight Im looking at has them ranked 8th over that period). Kolton Miller and in theory JPJ should be plus players and DJ Glaze might improve in year 2. They also have the best TE room in the league.

Geno Smith is also fairly close to a league average QB. Their WR room is suspect but honestly every else could be there.

All fair points.

 

[Xeliou66]

I think Cam Ward is in one of the worst situations, the Titans just aren’t a very good team, and he doesn’t have many weapons around him. Ward and Hunter are under the most pressure IMO, both because they were the top 2 picks, and because in Hunter’s case the Jags traded up for him and he’s a unique player who will be under the spotlight, and in Ward’s case because he’s supposed to be the franchise QB for the Titans. It’s impossible to know who will be the best and worst players drafted at this point.

About the Raiders, I’m interested in how they do, I think Jeanty will be a good pro player and Geno is definitely a step up from what the Raiders had at QB last season, so I think they’ll be an improved team, but they are in a very tough division as the Chiefs, Broncos and Chargers are all playoff caliber strong teams.

 

[Clayton]

All fair points.

I do think you can point to data with your Will Campbell being the most likely best player just due to his sample size in college. I also think you can use data to suggest that very few RBs even make it to their 2nd contract. I just think the Raiders offense could be anything. Its not like Seattle had these fantastic olines when Pete Carroll was there. I remember Marty Schottenheimer and Tomlinson turning around the Chargers quickly but that was the era of fullbacks and I dont like comparing rookies to HOF players.

 

[Clayton]

I think Cam Ward is in one of the worst situations, the Titans just aren’t a very good team, and he doesn’t have many weapons around him. Ward and Hunter are under the most pressure IMO, both because they were the top 2 picks, and because in Hunter’s case the Jags traded up for him and he’s a unique player who will be under the spotlight, and in Ward’s case because he’s supposed to be the franchise QB for the Titans. It’s impossible to know who will be the best and worst players drafted at this point.

About the Raiders, I’m interested in how they do, I think Jeanty will be a good pro player and Geno is definitely a step up from what the Raiders had at QB last season, so I think they’ll be an improved team, but they are in a very tough division as the Chiefs, Broncos and Chargers are all playoff caliber strong teams.

I wonder if Hunter busts if he'll get blamed or the Jags organization will get blamed for misusing him.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I do think you can point to data with your Will Campbell being the most likely best player just due to his sample size in college. I also think you can use data to suggest that very few RBs even make it to their 2nd contract. I just think the Raiders offense could be anything. Its not like Seattle had these fantastic olines when Pete Carroll was there. I remember Marty Schottenheimer and Tomlinson turning around the Chargers quickly but that was the era of fullbacks and I dont like comparing rookies to HOF players.

Right - and the Raiders offense is such an unknown, really, that having a highly touted RB come in and be the ...maybe not "Savior"...of that offense, but a heavy piece of it - is asking a lot of ANY RB, but add in all the questions, and while I don't dislike Smith - new location, new offensive pieces, etc...I don't think it's unfair to be kind of in "prove it to me" mode with the Raiders and the offense.

 

[Clayton]

Right - and the Raiders offense is such an unknown, really, that having a highly touted RB come in and be the ...maybe not "Savior"...of that offense, but a heavy piece of it - is asking a lot of ANY RB, but add in all the questions, and while I don't dislike Smith - new location, new offensive pieces, etc...I don't think it's unfair to be kind of in "prove it to me" mode with the Raiders and the offense.

I picked Tyler Shough as the worst situation and that might not be entirely fair because the whole offense of the Saints was injured last year. Kellen Moore is in his first year as coach, though, and Derek Carr is probably a salty ex wife right now. Olave is solid when healthy but Brandin Cooks is their 2nd best weapon and he'll be 32. Alvin Kamara will be 30. The Saints have invested a ton in OL but it wasn't good last year.

Its the NFL, though. All of these guys are professionals. All teams have the ability to improve. The thing about the Raiders is that even though I like Geno Smith, it wouldn't be crazy if he was the worst QB in the AFC West next year and Pete Carroll was the worst coach in the AFC West next year. AFC West I think might be like the NFC North where there are 4 teams in competing windows of sorts. The top 3 might not be as tough as the top 3 in the AFC North, though.