Top 25 Programs of the BCS Era

[socaljim242]

When you are looking at rankings you need to PICK one system.
In the AP system USC is 13-14 vs Top 10 and 29-25 vs Top 25 teams.
In the Coaches Poll USC is 12-14 vs Top 10 and 29-26 vs Top 25 teams.

I prefer the AP as it goes back to 1936.



The JOKE is on you as it is YOU that hasn't got the picture!

USC plays FAR more "loser" teams than UF does. The difference is UF is up front about it!

In the BCS era
AP Top 10 opponents USC 27 vs UF 43 (That's 1 more per year for UF)
Top 25 Opponents USC 54 vs UF 86 (That's 2 more per year for UF)
Opponents with D1A winning records USC 108 vs UF 128 (That's 1.25 more per year for UF)
Major Opponents with winning records USC 97 vs UF 115 (That's 1.125 more per year for UF)

Conversely,
Opponents WITHOUT winning records USC 79-17-0 vs UF 68-1-0. (That's 6 games per year that USC plays per year! and 1.6875 MORE per year than UF). HALF of USC's yearly schedule for the past 16 seasons has been against teams that DO NOT HAVE WINNING RECORDS!!!

Note: USC is averaging ONE loss per year to teams that don't have winning records. They are consistent: 8 losses at home, 8 losses away and 1 loss in a Bowl game.

Here's what you're either not getting or you're ignoring . USC plays OOC teams like Boston College or Virginia or Fresno State or Hawaii or Syracuse or Minnesota, or Notre Dame or San Jose State. All of these teams USC played recently and all of these teams USC also traveled to play them. Some times these teams will be below .500 sometimes they will have decent teams but they also play against decent competition to get their record.
But Florida plays teams like Bowling green, Lousiana -Lafyette , Furman who got their "winning record" against glorified community colleges. Florida doesn't even have the balls to play any of these teams away from home. Yes USC has lost to a washington state or a stanford when they didn;t have winning records but you cant compare those teams to Florida playing Charlston southern, Troy and Florida International. Why did I pick those three? Florida actually played them all in one year and all at home. That same year USC played at #8 Ohio State,San Jose State, at #25 Notre dame. But to you they would count the same .
Sorry but when you come up with stats that equate playing #25 and #8 on the road to playing Charlston Southern and Troy anyone with half a brain would say your stats are meaningless and your conclusion is worthless.

 

[BubbaGump]

I love college football, are we really trying to screw it up with a playoff? This bickering in this thread is exactly why college football is so awesome as a fan. Sometimes a team will beat someone they shouldn't and get to rub salt in the wounds of the team they beat.

 

[smilesid]

Why dont Fresno and Boise St grow a sack and join the PAC 12. Make that bitch a PAC 14. I guarantee you neither will win more than 3 conferance games.

OMG, how come we never thought of that one? Gee, all that effort, and some lame ass Alabama fan figures it out for us. How can we ever thank you? It's like ordering pizza, right, all we need do is pick up the phone! It will be the PAC 14 tomorrow! Hallelujah!

God, is everyone down there as smart as you?

 

[boxedlunch]

I will get back with more data soon,

Maybe if you tell me what you mean by "soon" it will help.

 

[Wishbone]

Since the start of the 2000 campaign, no team from a BCS conference owns a better winning % than Oklahoma at .818

Oklahoma also leads all BCS conference squads in total TDs (881) and takeaways (410) dating back to 2000.

No team owns more BCS bowl appearances than Oklahoma, which has done it nine times under Stoops.

No FBS team can boast more seasons with 11 or more wins since 2000 than Oklahoma (10).

OU is the only school from a BCS conference with 12 seasons of 10 or more wins dating back to the 2000 campaign.

 

[ellupo]

Since the start of the 2000 campaign, no team from a BCS conference owns a better winning % than Oklahoma at .818

Oklahoma also leads all BCS conference squads in total TDs (881) and takeaways (410) dating back to 2000.

No team owns more BCS bowl appearances than Oklahoma, which has done it nine times under Stoops.

No FBS team can boast more seasons with 11 or more wins since 2000 than Oklahoma (10).

OU is the only school from a BCS conference with 12 seasons of 10 or more wins dating back to the 2000 campaign.

How many of these are equal with other teams?

 

[boxedlunch]

How many of these are equal with other teams?

You noticed the careful wording, then. Another cool fact, no team has lost more BCS bowls than Oklahoma.

 

[4down20]

Since the start of the 2000 campaign, no team from a BCS conference owns a better winning % than Oklahoma at .818

Oklahoma also leads all BCS conference squads in total TDs (881) and takeaways (410) dating back to 2000.

No team owns more BCS bowl appearances than Oklahoma, which has done it nine times under Stoops.

No FBS team can boast more seasons with 11 or more wins since 2000 than Oklahoma (10).

OU is the only school from a BCS conference with 12 seasons of 10 or more wins dating back to the 2000 campaign.

Cherry picking the 2000 date?

 

[Texas Jefe]

I just had a flash:


It's all water under the bridge. What matters now is, who gets to the playoffs, who wins one in the playoffs, and who wins two, and the NC.


Will be fun to see the future unfold.

 

[outofyourmind]

Cherry picking the 2000 date?

probably
just go with it

 

[KingKoolKat75]

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. LSU
4. Florida
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Texas
8. USC
9. Auburn
10. Miami
11. Tennessee
12. Georgia
13. Virginia Tech
14. Oregon
15. Wisconsin
16. Michigan
17. Nebraska
18. Boise State
19. TCU
20. Stanford
21. West Virginia
22. Clemson
23. Notre Dame
24. Kansas State
25. Penn State

Since 11 teams won a BCS title during the Era, those 11 teams are automatically ranked 1-11 IMO. After that I took different things into account.

USC 8th ? 2 NCs and were probably the best team in 2003 and 2008 but just didn't get voted in the NCG.

 

[Gator]

Long post for socaljim242

Here's what you're either not getting or you're ignoring . USC plays OOC teams like Boston College or Virginia or Fresno State or Hawaii or Syracuse or Minnesota, or Notre Dame or San Jose State. All of these teams USC played recently and all of these teams USC also traveled to play them. Some times these teams will be below .500 sometimes they will have decent teams but they also play against decent competition to get their record.
But Florida plays teams like Bowling green, Lousiana -Lafyette , Furman who got their "winning record" against glorified community colleges. Florida doesn't even have the balls to play any of these teams away from home. Yes USC has lost to a washington state or a stanford when they didn;t have winning records but you cant compare those teams to Florida playing Charlston southern, Troy and Florida International. Why did I pick those three? Florida actually played them all in one year and all at home. That same year USC played at #8 Ohio State,San Jose State, at #25 Notre dame. But to you they would count the same .
Sorry but when you come up with stats that equate playing #25 and #8 on the road to playing Charlston Southern and Troy anyone with half a brain would say your stats are meaningless and your conclusion is worthless.

Did you really post this #@$%!

I thought we were discussing the "BCS era" but then you select one season, the 2009 season, to show how bad UF scheduling is and you still screw it up. ND was NOT a top 25 team in 2009. Massey (the BCS computer guy) compiles over 100 ranking systems and publishes them. Here is his compilation for the year 2009. College Football Ranking Comparison It shows ND with an average ranking of #51 (far from the top 25).

Next, yes in 2009 UF played Troy, FIU and (FCS) Charleston Southern in OOC games. They also played FSU OOC. USC played tOSU, ND and San Jose St (which you omitted). The Massey composite has these teams as FSU (#39), Troy (#53), FIU(#107) and Charleston Southern (???) as they are FCS. The composite has tOSU(#6), ND (#51) and San Jose State (#113). So, Troy was about as good as ND that year, tOSU was better than FSU, and FIU was about as bad as San Jose State. The Charleston Southern game was an EXTRA game for UF. So far USC schedule is better than UF's. However, unless you are going to pull the BSU card and say that all that matters is the OOC schedule then we need to look at the entire schedule in 2009.

Omitting Bowl games and using the Massey composite numbers here are the schedules

UF played #1 Alabama ; USC played #6 tOSU
UF played #14 LSU ; USC played #9 Oregon
UF played #21 Arkansas; USC played #28 Stanford
UF played #27 Georgia ; USC played #30 Oregon St
UF played #37 Tennessee ; USC played #33 Arizona
UF played #39 FSU ; USC played #41 Cal
UF played #42 S. Carolina ; USC played #49 UCLA
UF played #48 Kentucky ; USC played #51 ND
UF played #50 Miss St ; USC played #55 Wash
UF played #53 Troy ; USC played #72 Arizona St
UF played #98 Vandy ; USC played #110 Wash St
UF played #107 FIU ; USC played #113 San Jose St
UF played #??? Charleston So. ; USC played no one

Now, all can see that looking at the ENTIRE schedule UF's was tougher than USC.
In addition, YOU cherry picked 2009. The 2 AP Ranked opponents and one AP top 10 opponent played by UF is the FEWEST that UF has played since 1989 (25 years).
So, UF's worst schedule in the past 25 season was STILL tougher than USC's!!!!

So, let's look at USC's and UF's NON-BOWL schedules over the BCS era.

Yes, UF has played NINE FCS teams!
1998 Citadel, 2003 Florida A&M, 2006 Western Caro., 2008 Citadel, 2009 Charleston So., 2010 Appalachian St., 2011 Furman, 2012 Jacksonville St., 2013 Ga. Southern.
USC has played ZERO.

BUT,

First the positives...
How many BCS/Major opponents with winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 46, Away 42, Neutral 2, Total 90
UF: Home 43, Away 42, Neutral 15, Total 100

How many NON-BCS/Major (FBS only) opponents with winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 6, Away 2, Neutral 0, Total 8
UF: Home 13, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 13

How many AP Top 25 opponents?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 22, Away 24, Neutral 1, Total 47
UF: Home 28, Away 28 Neutral 13, Total 69
This total DOES NOT include the 5 AP Top 25 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many AP Top10 opponents?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 9, Away 11, Neutral 1, Total 21
UF: Home 10, Away 17 Neutral 6, Total 33
This total DOES NOT include the 3 AP Top 10 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

Now, for the negatives...
How many BCS/Major opponents WITHOUT winning records? College Football Trivia
USC: Home 41, Away 43, Neutral 1, Total 85
UF: Home 24, Away 24, Neutral 1, Total 49

How many NON- BCS/Major opponents WITHOUT winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 7, Away 3, Neutral 0, Total 10
UF: Home 15, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 15

How many TOTAL FBS opponents WITHOUT winning records?
USC: Home 48, Away 46, Neutral 1, Total 95
UF: Home 39, Away 24, Neutral 10, Total 64

Finally,
How many FCS opponent?
USC: Home 0, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 0
UF: Home 9, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 9

Folks like you are SOOOO blinded by the fact that UF dares to play FCS teams that you can’t see beyond the end of you nose. IF we decided that UF be penalized ONE AP Top 10 opponent for every FCS team they played, UF’s schedule would STILL BE BETTER than USC’s!!!!

How many AP Top10 opponents?
USC: Total 21
UF: Total 33 - 9 = 24 (still 3 more than USC)
This total DOES NOT include the 3 AP Top 10 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many AP Top 25 opponents?
USC: Total 47
UF: Total 69 - 9 = 60 (still 13 more than USC)
This total DOES NOT include the 5 AP Top 25 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many BCS/Major opponents with winning records?
USC: Total 90
UF: Total 100 - 9 = 91 (still one more than USC)

AND you can't escape the facts
How many TOTAL FBS opponents WITHOUT winning records?
USC: Home 48, Away 46, Neutral 1, Total 95 This is 31 more lousy games than UF played!!!
UF: Home 39, Away 24, Neutral10, Total 64

Just because USC traveled to play lousy teams DOESN'T make them GOOD games.

 

[theSabanator20]

This again :rollseyes:

They still mad bro

They ain't been the same since

 

[Wishbone]

collegespun.com/features/the-25-most-succes sful-college-football-programs-of-the-bcs-era/4


1998-2013

1. OU
2. FSU
3. Ohio State
4. Florida
5. LSU

 

[boxedlunch]

I will get back with more data soon, But you do realize that USC plays in a conference that plays 9 IC games with a conference with 12 teams, meaning the conference will have at least 6 more loses, unlike the SEC where they could have 14 more wins playing cupcakes, which would increase teams in PAC that wouldn't have a winning or losing record. Gotta love the Casual fan.

You stated that USC had eight (8) loses record on the road…. Can you tell me when Fla has played 8 games on the road outside of the state of Fla??? Didn't think so.

Wow 1 bowl loss


Don't know where you get your stats, but they suck!!

One week later, and still nothing. We both know why.

Having the ability to look up something on the internet does not make you knowledgable. Because you can look it up, you are not an expert. Quit talking junk when you are completely ignorant without references. You have a big mouth but nothing to back it up.

 

[Rather Be Fishin']

Found yet another article of proof that FSU is the best. Not just this year, but the entire BCS eral.


Could FSU Be the Most Dominant Team Ever in BCS Era? | Bleacher Report

 

[Wishbone]

Found yet another article of proof that FSU is the best. Not just this year, but the entire BCS eral.


Could FSU Be the Most Dominant Team Ever in BCS Era? | Bleacher Report

Lol @ Fsu 0-3 vs Oklahoma in the BCS era.

 

[Rather Be Fishin']

Who won the Natty this year Wishbone?

The best margin of victory in a season > any OU team.

Sorry, but thems the facts. Ya dig?

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Did you really post this #@$%!

I thought we were discussing the "BCS era" but then you select one season, the 2009 season, to show how bad UF scheduling is and you still screw it up. ND was NOT a top 25 team in 2009. Massey (the BCS computer guy) compiles over 100 ranking systems and publishes them. Here is his compilation for the year 2009. College Football Ranking Comparison It shows ND with an average ranking of #51 (far from the top 25).

Next, yes in 2009 UF played Troy, FIU and (FCS) Charleston Southern in OOC games. They also played FSU OOC. USC played tOSU, ND and San Jose St (which you omitted). The Massey composite has these teams as FSU (#39), Troy (#53), FIU(#107) and Charleston Southern (???) as they are FCS. The composite has tOSU(#6), ND (#51) and San Jose State (#113). So, Troy was about as good as ND that year, tOSU was better than FSU, and FIU was about as bad as San Jose State. The Charleston Southern game was an EXTRA game for UF. So far USC schedule is better than UF's. However, unless you are going to pull the BSU card and say that all that matters is the OOC schedule then we need to look at the entire schedule in 2009.

Omitting Bowl games and using the Massey composite numbers here are the schedules

UF played #1 Alabama ; USC played #6 tOSU
UF played #14 LSU ; USC played #9 Oregon
UF played #21 Arkansas; USC played #28 Stanford
UF played #27 Georgia ; USC played #30 Oregon St
UF played #37 Tennessee ; USC played #33 Arizona
UF played #39 FSU ; USC played #41 Cal
UF played #42 S. Carolina ; USC played #49 UCLA
UF played #48 Kentucky ; USC played #51 ND
UF played #50 Miss St ; USC played #55 Wash
UF played #53 Troy ; USC played #72 Arizona St
UF played #98 Vandy ; USC played #110 Wash St
UF played #107 FIU ; USC played #113 San Jose St
UF played #??? Charleston So. ; USC played no one

Now, all can see that looking at the ENTIRE schedule UF's was tougher than USC.
In addition, YOU cherry picked 2009. The 2 AP Ranked opponents and one AP top 10 opponent played by UF is the FEWEST that UF has played since 1989 (25 years).
So, UF's worst schedule in the past 25 season was STILL tougher than USC's!!!!

So, let's look at USC's and UF's NON-BOWL schedules over the BCS era.

Yes, UF has played NINE FCS teams!
1998 Citadel, 2003 Florida A&M, 2006 Western Caro., 2008 Citadel, 2009 Charleston So., 2010 Appalachian St., 2011 Furman, 2012 Jacksonville St., 2013 Ga. Southern.
USC has played ZERO.

BUT,

First the positives...
How many BCS/Major opponents with winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 46, Away 42, Neutral 2, Total 90
UF: Home 43, Away 42, Neutral 15, Total 100

How many NON-BCS/Major (FBS only) opponents with winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 6, Away 2, Neutral 0, Total 8
UF: Home 13, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 13

How many AP Top 25 opponents?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 22, Away 24, Neutral 1, Total 47
UF: Home 28, Away 28 Neutral 13, Total 69
This total DOES NOT include the 5 AP Top 25 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many AP Top10 opponents?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 9, Away 11, Neutral 1, Total 21
UF: Home 10, Away 17 Neutral 6, Total 33
This total DOES NOT include the 3 AP Top 10 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

Now, for the negatives...
How many BCS/Major opponents WITHOUT winning records? College Football Trivia
USC: Home 41, Away 43, Neutral 1, Total 85
UF: Home 24, Away 24, Neutral 1, Total 49

How many NON- BCS/Major opponents WITHOUT winning records?College Football Trivia
USC: Home 7, Away 3, Neutral 0, Total 10
UF: Home 15, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 15

How many TOTAL FBS opponents WITHOUT winning records?
USC: Home 48, Away 46, Neutral 1, Total 95
UF: Home 39, Away 24, Neutral 10, Total 64

Finally,
How many FCS opponent?
USC: Home 0, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 0
UF: Home 9, Away 0, Neutral 0, Total 9

Folks like you are SOOOO blinded by the fact that UF dares to play FCS teams that you can’t see beyond the end of you nose. IF we decided that UF be penalized ONE AP Top 10 opponent for every FCS team they played, UF’s schedule would STILL BE BETTER than USC’s!!!!

How many AP Top10 opponents?
USC: Total 21
UF: Total 33 - 9 = 24 (still 3 more than USC)
This total DOES NOT include the 3 AP Top 10 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many AP Top 25 opponents?
USC: Total 47
UF: Total 69 - 9 = 60 (still 13 more than USC)
This total DOES NOT include the 5 AP Top 25 ranked teams UF played in CCG’s.

How many BCS/Major opponents with winning records?
USC: Total 90
UF: Total 100 - 9 = 91 (still one more than USC)

AND you can't escape the facts
How many TOTAL FBS opponents WITHOUT winning records?
USC: Home 48, Away 46, Neutral 1, Total 95 This is 31 more lousy games than UF played!!!
UF: Home 39, Away 24, Neutral10, Total 64

Just because USC traveled to play lousy teams DOESN'T make them GOOD games.

Why don't you try this bullshit with OOC BCS opponents say over the past 20 years, then the wash will come out

 

[Wishbone]

Who won the Natty this year Wishbone?

The best margin of victory in a season > any OU team.

Sorry, but thems the facts. Ya dig?

Who's your Daddy fishin? It's okay to admit it!