Top 10 poll: #10 player ever

[chappee11]

Verlander was basically done as he left Detroit. But you can argue he has put together a borderline HOF career POST-Detroit.

And Clemens didn’t break any rules in ’96 or after.

That’s a fair comp, except Verlander wasn’t pals with Brian McNamee, was he? Verlander got his boost from Kate Upton instead.

 

[calsnowskier]

Interesting list. Since Walter Johnson has already secured the #1 slot for pitchers, Pedro has a legitimate claim to the #2 slot. And he doesn’t have the stink of PEDs on him, either.

How many more tests did Clemens fail than Pedro? Clemens broke no rules. He simply played the game that was out in front of him.

 

[calsnowskier]

Clemens has a 4 year stint from 1993-1996 where he’s tailing off as he enters his 30’s. He has no all star appearances and no top 20 Cy Young finishes during this time. There are still some really solid seasons in there, but he was clearly aging.

Then come his 1997 and 1998 seasons with the PEDs, which are comically absurd and he’s superhuman and basically the best pitcher who ever lived. At age 34 and 35. I love his durability, but I hope there are others that will factor this into his calculation going forward in this exercise.

And he was facing all the cyber men and was embarrassing them. And competing against other pitchers using PEDs and still the amazing + stats.

 

[LHG]

Updating to include the most egregious overrated player on this list so far (until Ohtani makes the list):
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1948-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)

1876-1904 - 0
1905-1913 - 1
1914-1922 - 2
1923-1928 - 3
1929-1935 - 2
1936-1938 - 1
1939 - 2
1940-1947 - 1
1948-1950 - 2
1951-1953 - 3
1954-1960 - 4
1961-1968 - 3
1969-1973 - 2
1974-1976 - 1
1977-1985 - 0
1986-2007 - 1
2007-2024 - 0

Updating to include #9:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1948-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)

1876-1904 - 0
1905-1906 - 1
1907-1913 - 2
1914-1922 - 3
1923-1927 - 4
1928 - 3
1929-1935 - 2
1936-1938 - 1
1939 - 2
1940-1947 - 1
1948-1950 - 2
1951-1953 - 3
1954-1960 - 4
1961-1968 - 3
1969-1973 - 2
1974-1976 - 1
1977-1985 - 0
1986-2007 - 1
2007-2024 - 0

 

[broncosmitty]

Verlander was basically done as he left Detroit. But you can argue he has put together a borderline HOF career POST-Detroit.

And Clemens didn’t break any rules in ’96 or after.

JV was 2nd in CYA the year before the trade (also got MVP votes) and 5th the year of the trade.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Did someone say JV is a borderline HOF? Lol. First ballot easily.