This conference champion getting an automatic bid

[PIBuckeye]

Conference champions should definitely make the playoffs, but I don’t think it should be required to win a conference title for a team to get a bye. They should just seed teams based on who’s the best, for example if two teams from the same conference go 12-0 and meet in the conference title, both should get top 4 seeds over say a 10-3 conference champion.

Please list out all the conference champs and their final AP ranking.

 

[10HtownRebs]

I don't give a fuck where my team placed or who were playing, you're a crybaby period.

Oh you care..

Remember?

Boomer

 

[PIBuckeye]

Oh you care..

Remember?

Boomer

someone sounds very bitter...........

 

[dtgold88]

I was referring to SMU being 11-1 and Clemson being 9-3 going into the CCG. Despite Miami having a better overall record at 10-2, Clemson went to the CCG because 2 of their losses were OOC, so they never happened as far as the CCG was concerned. Which is part of the problem with giving playoff spots to teams whose sole qualification is a conference championship.

something to be said for this but then give them a spot based on what? Personal bias?

 

[Nat Mann]

That's an awfully fine hair to split, considering that the difference between the ACC and the SEC in that specific instance is basically several terrible calls against Georgia Tech between the hedges. If Miami got that kind of help against the Yellow Jackets, the situation changes quite a bit, doesn't it?

Nothing fine hair about it.
Miami has a 10-2 overall record. Yet they didn't get to play in the ACC CCG, because 2 of Clemson's 3 losses were out of conference.

Alabama has a 9-3 overall record, yet didn't get to play in the SEC CCG, because the SEC has teams with a better record. According to NCAA rules, they hold the tiebreaker over Clemson, but they didn't get in.

So the point is that the current system let Clemson in and kept at least two better qualified teams out because of the current overemphasis on conference champions.

You don't get to say that's an "awfully fine hair to split", then stoop to quibbling about officiating.

 

[Nat Mann]

something to be said for this but then give them a spot based on what? Personal bias?

Overall record and strength of schedule. Giving conference champions who otherwise deserve to be in the playoffs a bye is awkward but is at least justifiable given that they have to play an extra game. Giving them a playoff berth over teams that are clearly superior is just wrong.

 

[dtgold88]

Overall record and strength of schedule. Giving conference champions who otherwise deserve to be in the playoffs a bye is awkward but is at least justifiable given that they have to play an extra game. Giving them a playoff berth over teams that are clearly superior is just wrong.

OK, but SOS can be a little subjective as is often based on where teams start out ranked early in season (often not deserved). I say equally as wrong to give out byes solely based on winning a conference....but would like to see them limited to 2 for a conference.

 

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[Nat Mann]

OK, but SOS can be a little subjective as is often based on where teams start out ranked early in season (often not deserved). I say equally as wrong to give out byes solely based on winning a conference....but would like to see them limited to 2 for a conference.

2 for a conference? There's only one team per conference that is the winner.

 

[tc1]

Nothing fine hair about it.
Miami has a 10-2 overall record. Yet they didn't get to play in the ACC CCG, because 2 of Clemson's 3 losses were out of conference.

Alabama has a 9-3 overall record, yet didn't get to play in the SEC CCG, because the SEC has teams with a better record. According to NCAA rules, they hold the tiebreaker over Clemson, but they didn't get in.

So the point is that the current system let Clemson in and kept at least two better qualified teams out because of the current overemphasis on conference champions.

You don't get to say that's an "awfully fine hair to split", then stoop to quibbling about officiating.

Yes, I precisely do get to say that's an awfully fine hair to split, because again, the only reason that the situation you decry exists is because Georgia got bailed out by the officials against Georgia Tech, but Miami did not, against the same opponent.

 

[dtgold88]

2 for a conference? There's only one team per conference that is the winner.

Ok....but what if, say, 2 go into a CCG both undefeated or simply better per the committee than all the other possibilities?

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

So speaking of Oregon, can I ask a question?

How does Oregon -- in any scenario from here on out -- not deserve at least a share of the National Championship?

Oregon will finish this season with a resume that is, at absolute worst, as good as any other team in the country. They are 13-0, and the only teams that can even finish with one loss, if they win the tournament, are Notre Dame, Indiana, and Boise State. To put it extremely mildly, at 13-1, Oregon's resume would still be better than any of those three, and they beat Boise State head-to-head. Oregon has four wins that are better than any possessed by ND, IU, and BSU combined.

If Oregon wins even one game in the tournament, there's no contest between them and any other team. If Oregon doesn't win again, and Georgia doesn't lose again, reasonable people could argue that Georgia at 14-2 would have a resume similar to Oregon at 13-1. No other team can plausibly claim the title alone, based on the season. Compared to the rest of the field, Oregon again will have a superior resume even if they lose their next game. All of those teams will have one more loss ( 2 for Clemson ) than Oregon and none have faced the Ducks' difficulty of schedule -- only Clemson is close, and they lost three times.

Oregon is the only team in the tournament that already has a win over a Quarterfinalist. They've also already beaten 25% of the rest of the tourney field. Even if, say, Notre Dame goes on a run to the last game, they'd basically be replicating what Oregon has already accomplished -- Georgia and Ohio State are basically the same, and ND would probably have to beat either Boise or Penn States, which again, Oregon has BTDT.

Basically, the committee better be praying that Oregon wins three more games, or they're going to have to go back to the drawing board for yet another playoff system -- and we should have co-champions in that case.

For the record, yes, I am aware that there's a difference between what they'll deserve and what they'll get, as we've already seen with the tournament seeding.

Because 70-12 golden state? What would the point of the playoffs be if your ideology was used?

 

[dtgold88]

I'd argue against your premise, but since I never said anything about the best team, that'd also be irrelevant.

I said they deserve at least a share of the National Championship, and awarding that is what we're doing here, innit?

You seem to not be open to a counter to your point but I'll try anyway.

First, do you watch any other sports....preferably pro sports? If so, I assume you know how the playoff systems in each worK? Pretty simply, the winner of their playoff is the champion. If a team like, say, NE goes undefeated and has the best resume until they lose the SB they do not get nor would they expect a share of the title.

Cannot say I follow the FCS but is it the same for them as you wish for Oregon? Team with best record/resume shares a title even if they don't earn it in the playoffs?

 

[dtgold88]

That's not strictly true. The AP, and Coaches, both issue a final poll after the "championship game".

They do....but since the CFP they crown the champ as team who wins the CFP. doubt many even pay much attention to the final poll.

 

[Ron G]

and bye is BS...

I thought we trying to get the best 12 teams in a playoff situation... not getting mary's little lambs in the playoffs with a bye... Whoever came up with this rule got shit for brains... Have we not seen this trainwreck with TCU a few years back??? Now every year we have to fuck around with this shit...

Starting with SMU getting smoked today by Clemson and still getting a free ride into the top 12..... WTF

There's a half dozen teams (outside the top 12) thats that would knock that shitty team like a little bitch...

How do you determine the "best" teams? Do you look at rosters and recruiting and how you think they would do against another team. Or do you look at what they have done on the field. I would argue that if you don't look at actual results it is just opinion as to which teams are the best. At the start of the season Southern Cal had a playoff team on paper but the season got in the way, same for A & M, Ole Miss, even Florida State.

The transfer portal has changed the dynamic. People look at the history of teams (SMU, Colorado, Arizona State, Indiana etc.) and discount the fact that these are not even close to the teams they were last year due to an influx of transfers in, and blue bloods that had excellent players transfer out.

 

[foster4prez]

That's an awfully fine hair to split, considering that the difference between the ACC and the SEC in that specific instance is basically several terrible calls against Georgia Tech between the hedges. If Miami got that kind of help against the Yellow Jackets, the situation changes quite a bit, doesn't it?

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To be fair, Miami got PLENTY of ref help this year.

 

[tc1]

Because 70-12 golden state? What would the point of the playoffs be if your ideology was used?

There are no polls in the NBA. There are polls in D1 football -- and, as previously noted, both the AP and Coaches publish a final poll, after the final playoff game. And, again, as previously mentioned, there is recent precedent for college football teams losing their final game and still being awarded at least one of the several national championships on offer.

 

[tc1]

You seem to not be open to a counter to your point but I'll try anyway.

First, do you watch any other sports....preferably pro sports? If so, I assume you know how the playoff systems in each worK? Pretty simply, the winner of their playoff is the champion. If a team like, say, NE goes undefeated and has the best resume until they lose the SB they do not get nor would they expect a share of the title.

Yes, I have watched just about every major and minor sport, at some point.

Again, as previously mentioned several times now, the majority of those sports do not have polls, or a century or so of tradition behind awarding their national championship in that manner. None of those sports except D1 basketball use a poll to determine their playoff field. D1 college football does and has all of those things -- and it specifically has AP and Coaches polls that are released after the final playoff game. That makes D1 college football fundamentally different from those other sports.

Cannot say I follow the FCS but is it the same for them as you wish for Oregon? Team with best record/resume shares a title even if they don't earn it in the playoffs?

That's not what I said. I said that in this particular season, this particular Oregon team has a resume that is so far beyond anyone else's that they have already done as much this season as anyone else will have the opportunity to do. Therefore, it would be improper to award an "undisputed champion" title to any other team. At worst, Oregon should be co-champions.

I think Oregon is already sufficiently far ahead on the Colley Matrix that they are almost guaranteed to win that national championship. The question is, how many more will they take home?

 

[tc1]

To be fair, Miami got PLENTY of ref help this year.

I'm not suggesting that we re-litigate the whole season ( that said, that Hail Mary was a 50/50 call and that's very different from, for example, the blatant hold previously referenced ). Merely that the other individual was attempting to describe some wide gulf between the SEC and the ACC, and that gulf does not exist. The evidence provided for that gulf -- the losses suffered by the CCG participants for each league -- was entirely the result of the outcomes of two games involving Georgia Tech, that were each decided by a call here, or a bounce there.

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

There are no polls in the NBA. There are polls in D1 football -- and, as previously noted, both the AP and Coaches publish a final poll, after the final playoff game. And, again, as previously mentioned, there is recent precedent for college football teams losing their final game and still being awarded at least one of the several national championships on offer.

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