This conference champion getting an automatic bid

[tc1]

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Cute -- I bet that sounded good when you wrote it, without thinking it through at all. However, I bet you will not "enjoy" when I observe that the NCAA has a whole raft of officially-designated championship selectors, and that many of those are, in fact, polls.

College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And of course, nothing analogous has ever existed in the NBA and most of us can differentiate between an officially-designated poll and a "power ranking" article. Some of us, apparently, struggle with that, though.

 

[Ron G]

Conference champions should definitely make the playoffs, but I don’t think it should be required to win a conference title for a team to get a bye. They should just seed teams based on who’s the best, for example if two teams from the same conference go 12-0 and meet in the conference title, both should get top 4 seeds over say a 10-3 conference champion.

But then you are still subjectively picking one conference over another based on their conference play. My take is that no FCS win should be factored in as a win. Although a loss to an FCS team should be view as two losses.

 

[10HtownRebs]

someone sounds very bitter...........

So, the lines are out...

Why are all these SEC schools favored double digit over these but but me too teams??

11-1 and 10-2 don't mean shit when money is involved .... only when feelings are involved..

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

Cute -- I bet that sounded good when you wrote it, without thinking it through at all. However, I bet you will not "enjoy" when I observe that the NCAA has a whole raft of officially-designated championship selectors, and that many of those are, in fact, polls.

College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And of course, nothing analogous has ever existed in the NBA and most of us can differentiate between an officially-designated poll and a "power ranking" article. Some of us, apparently, struggle with that, though.

You are just gonna skate around with bullshit semantics so I'll just leave it at this. Playoffs are there for a reason. Playoffs determine the champions. The regular season is there for teams to fight to make the playoffs and grab the highest seeds, because these in theory will make it an easier path to the ultimate goal. A championship. Your idea of crowning a champion on a regular season( a season with around 12 games) is fucking stupid. Full stop.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes, I have watched just about every major and minor sport, at some point.

Again, as previously mentioned several times now, the majority of those sports do not have polls, or a century or so of tradition behind awarding their national championship in that manner. None of those sports except D1 basketball use a poll to determine their playoff field. D1 college football does and has all of those things -- and it specifically has AP and Coaches polls that are released after the final playoff game. That makes D1 college football fundamentally different from those other sports.



That's not what I said. I said that in this particular season, this particular Oregon team has a resume that is so far beyond anyone else's that they have already done as much this season as anyone else will have the opportunity to do. Therefore, it would be improper to award an "undisputed champion" title to any other team. At worst, Oregon should be co-champions.

I think Oregon is already sufficiently far ahead on the Colley Matrix that they are almost guaranteed to win that national championship. The question is, how many more will they take home?

But they do have rules to make it which everyone knows about. Would it be different for you if they simply took the top 4 CCG champs as they do then "wild cards" based on record like the NFL?

Oregon might very well win and while they did beat OSU and Boise they barely won and were at home in both. Maye on a neutral field things change if they play them again or another top team?

 

[foster4prez]

So, the lines are out...

Why are all these SEC schools favored double digit over these but but me too teams??

11-1 and 10-2 don't mean shit when money is involved .... only when feelings are involved..

Why even play the games if winning and losing doesn't matter?

 

[10HtownRebs]

Why even play the games if winning and losing doesn't matter?

All win aren't equal

 

[foster4prez]

All win aren't equal

Are all losses equal?

 

[10HtownRebs]

Are all losses equal?

Nope

 

[foster4prez]

Nope

Is getting curb stomped at home to a 6-6 team good or bad?

Or losing to a 4-8 team at home? Is that something a great team does?

 

[tc1]

You are just gonna skate around with bullshit semantics so I'll just leave it at this. Playoffs are there for a reason.

Okay fine, "playoffs are there for a reason". So is the whole season. So are the many officially-designated "championship selectors" to which I previously referred. So are the two main final polls, executed after the last game.

The regular season is there for teams to fight to make the playoffs and grab the highest seeds,

Tell that to Florida State.

Polls are still incredibly important in the NCAA FBS.

A championship. Your idea of crowning a champion on a regular season( a season with around 12 games) is fucking stupid. Full stop.

Fine -- take your dispute up with the NCAA. That's who designates no less than twelve current "major selectors" of the national championship, and several of those officially-designated national championships have been awarded to other than the victors of the final game.

To put it bluntly, the system you describe does not actually exist in NCAA FBS. Full stop.

 

[tc1]

But they do have rules to make it which everyone knows about.

Yes, they do -- and those rules include two major polls on the day after the final game. And ten other championship selectors, who sometimes do not agree. Why, exactly?

Would it be different for you if they simply took the top 4 CCG champs as they do then "wild cards" based on record like the NFL?

Of course that would be different, but there are only 32 NFL teams constrained by a salary cap, so the schedules are at least roughly comparable. Nothing could be further from the case in NCAA football, so simply comparing records would clearly not work.

Oregon might very well win and while they did beat OSU and Boise they barely won and were at home in both. Maye on a neutral field things change if they play them again or another top team?

Maybe -- but again, if a team other than Oregon wins the final game, their resume will still not compare favorably with the Ducks'. In fact, if that winner is anyone except Georgia, their resume will be significantly worse than Oregon's.

That doesn't happen every season, but it has happened this season.

 

[tc1]

So, the lines are out...

Why are all these SEC schools favored double digit over these but but me too teams??

The SEC has won the Bowl Challenge Cup exactly 3 of the 22 times that it has been awarded, and not since 2019-20.

Again, actual on-field evidence of SEC superiority remains very difficult to locate. Yes, the SEC often has one excellent team, like they do this year with Georgia, but overall, it's just another conference and fairly unremarkable.


All that said, I see Tennessee around +6.5 versus Ohio State, which is definitely not "favored by double digits".

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

Okay fine, "playoffs are there for a reason". So is the whole season. So are the many officially-designated "championship selectors" to which I previously referred. So are the two main final polls, executed after the last game.



Tell that to Florida State.

Polls are still incredibly important in the NCAA FBS.


Fine -- take your dispute up with the NCAA. That's who designates no less than twelve current "major selectors" of the national championship, and several of those officially-designated national championships have been awarded to other than the victors of the final game.

To put it bluntly, the system you describe does not actually exist in NCAA FBS. Full stop.

1. I already stated what the regular season is for.
2. What dispute? The NCAA agrees with me, hence the playoffs. You are the one who can't wrap your head around this.
3. The final sentence in your rant makes me wondering if you have dementia since the system I am describing is the exact system the NCAA is currently using.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The SEC has won the Bowl Challenge Cup exactly 3 of the 22 times that it has been awarded, and not since 2019-20.

Again, actual on-field evidence of SEC superiority remains very difficult to locate. Yes, the SEC often has one excellent team, like they do this year with Georgia, but overall, it's just another conference and fairly unremarkable.


All that said, I see Tennessee around +6.5 versus Ohio State, which is definitely not "favored by double digits".

There is literally one double digit spread and it is clemson/Texas. As you said OSU is about a TD fav over the Vols.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes, they do -- and those rules include two major polls on the day after the final game. And ten other championship selectors, who sometimes do not agree. Why, exactly?



Of course that would be different, but there are only 32 NFL teams constrained by a salary cap, so the schedules are at least roughly comparable. Nothing could be further from the case in NCAA football, so simply comparing records would clearly not work.



Maybe -- but again, if a team other than Oregon wins the final game, their resume will still not compare favorably with the Ducks'. In fact, if that winner is anyone except Georgia, their resume will be significantly worse than Oregon's.

That doesn't happen every season, but it has happened this season.

Real question is why do you care? Winner of the CFP is the champ. The poll is nothing more than for fun and doubt many even pay attention to the last one.

Agree records would be tough to use and with so many teams hard to find any perfect system (hell, even with 32 for the NFL it's not perfect).

I guess maybe if your scenario happens Oregon is free to hang a banner somewhere as the resume champ? Curious, though.....if, say, OSU beat Oregon after beating TN and went on to beat a couple other tough teams to win it all would Oregon really have a better resume simply because they had 1 fewer loss? And what if ND won it all and beat Oregon along the way?

 

[Ron G]

Yes, they do -- and those rules include two major polls on the day after the final game. And ten other championship selectors, who sometimes do not agree. Why, exactly?



Of course that would be different, but there are only 32 NFL teams constrained by a salary cap, so the schedules are at least roughly comparable. Nothing could be further from the case in NCAA football, so simply comparing records would clearly not work.



Maybe -- but again, if a team other than Oregon wins the final game, their resume will still not compare favorably with the Ducks'. In fact, if that winner is anyone except Georgia, their resume will be significantly worse than Oregon's.

That doesn't happen every season, but it has happened this season.

Reading two of your posts I do agree on some things. The idea that Florida State got stiffed is true. Would Georgia (if not the conference winner) have suffered the same fate, I think not (SEC you know).
So how would Notre Dame's resume compare in your eyes if they are the one to beat Oregon? Your said anyone (other than Georgia) ignoring that if ND were to beat Oregon they would also have a Geogia win on their resume.

But as I have said before, using the concept that SOS schedule will be the criteria for selection then there needs to more divisions and no game between those divisions. Or teams should be informed UPFRONT that they have no chance to get in regardless of their record. Case in point is that Indiana, Boise State, SMU would be eliminated at the start of the season. And yet, the NCAA and TV treat them all as Division 1 teams.
And of course, in the real world, the SEC only plays an 11-game schedule plus 1 for the teams in the championship game those FCS games (for any P4 team) games should be at the beginning of the season and treated the same as basketball does, Illinois played Kansas, but it does not count on either teams record, go figure.

 

[Nat Mann]

Reading two of your posts I do agree on some things. The idea that Florida State got stiffed is true. Would Georgia (if not the conference winner) have suffered the same fate, I think not (SEC you know).

How soon they forget. Last year Florida State did get stiffed. As often happened under the 4 team playoff, there were more than 4 teams that deserved to be in the playoffs and Florida State was one of them. But Georgia DID suffer the same fate, they didn't get in the playoffs either. In fact, they played Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Georgia looked at the game as an opportunity to prove they deserved to be in the playoffs. Florida State sulked about it and got beaten 63-3. Florida State still hasn't recovered. They were 13-0 prior to not getting in, 2-11 since.

And of course, in the real world, the SEC only plays an 11-game schedule plus 1 for the teams in the championship game

SEC teams play a 12 game regular season, just like everyone else.

 

[tc1]

1. I already stated what the regular season is for.
2. What dispute? The NCAA agrees with me, hence the playoffs. You are the one who can't wrap your head around this.
3. The final sentence in your rant makes me wondering if you have dementia since the system I am describing is the exact system the NCAA is currently using.

1. And again, tell that to Florida State. If FSU had fielded its actual team in the Orange Bowl last year, and beaten Georgia, they would have had an extremely-strong case to be co-Champions -- being 14-0 and having beaten the two-time defending champs head-to-head.

2. No, the NCAA does not agree with you. I already explained this several teams. You'd do better in this discussion if you read the comments, and the references. The NCAA officially recognizes twelve different national champion selectors -- only one is the College Football Playoff. There is recent precedent for those selectors disagreeing and awarding multiple teams with national championships. If Oregon wins only 2 more games, I think they are guaranteed to collect most or all of the math-based national championships, regardless of what occurs in the final game.

3. Again, to put it bluntly, no. You are describing some fantasy, that is explicitly not in effect in the NCAA's FBS right now.

 

[dtgold88]

1. And again, tell that to Florida State. If FSU had fielded its actual team in the Orange Bowl last year, and beaten Georgia, they would have had an extremely-strong case to be co-Champions -- being 14-0 and having beaten the two-time defending champs head-to-head.

2. No, the NCAA does not agree with you. I already explained this several teams. You'd do better in this discussion if you read the comments, and the references. The NCAA officially recognizes twelve different national champion selectors -- only one is the College Football Playoff. There is recent precedent for those selectors disagreeing and awarding multiple teams with national championships. If Oregon wins only 2 more games, I think they are guaranteed to collect most or all of the math-based national championships, regardless of what occurs in the final game.

3. Again, to put it bluntly, no. You are describing some fantasy, that is explicitly not in effect in the NCAA's FBS right now.

something tells me not many (other than you) care about anything other than who wins the CFP. doesn't mean you should not choose to die on this hill if so important to you.