This conference champion getting an automatic bid

[WABLTY]

Not remotely, no. Did you have an attempted argument, or were you just going to hope to bluff your way through with ad hominem attack?

There's a playoff now. Last team standing wins, just like the other sports.

If you want comparative records and AP voting to decide, let's just go back to bowls. I'm down. ASU can be in the Fiesta Bowl pretty frequently. It'll be fucking wild.

 

[foster4prez]

I'd argue against your premise, but since I never said anything about the best team, that'd also be irrelevant.

I said they deserve at least a share of the National Championship, and awarding that is what we're doing here, innit?

The sport has agreed to award the NC to the winner of the playoff.

There are no ties or shares.

 

[tc1]

There's a playoff now. Last team standing wins, just like the other sports.

That's not strictly true. The AP, and Coaches, both issue a final poll after the "championship game".

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I'd argue against your premise, but since I never said anything about the best team, that'd also be irrelevant.

I said they deserve at least a share of the National Championship, and awarding that is what we're doing here, innit?

I don't think they give half-shares with a playoff.

Maybe that 18-1 New England Patriots team deserved half a superbowl when they lost to a 9-win Giants team with a partially retarded quarterback

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

That's not strictly true. The AP, and Coaches, both issue a final poll after the "championship game".

Pretty confident that the Coaches and pollsters will overwhelmingly award the #1 spot to the winner of the playoff bracket. There might be an outlier here or there.

But it's a fun hypothetical, welcome to the board (or welcome back)

 

[tc1]

The sport has agreed to award the NC to the winner of the playoff.

There are no ties or shares.

"The sport" previously agreed to award the NC to the highest-placed team in the final poll, too, but that didn't mean people never disagreed, or claimed shared titles.

So just hypothetically, if Oregon loses to Penn State on a late FG in the last game, you are going to feel that this new system worked? You don't think Oregon would have a very strong argument as co-champions?

 

[tc1]

Pretty confident that the Coaches and pollsters will overwhelmingly award the #1 spot to the winner of the playoff bracket. There might be an outlier here or there.

But it's a fun hypothetical, welcome to the board (or welcome back)

I mean, let's say Indiana beats ND, Georgia sans their quarterback, SMU, and Clemson. I don't think Clemson is going to be in the last game, but otherwise, that might not be so far-fetched. I think some pollsters would experience trepidation at that point. Or even worse, if SMU or Clemson somehow won the final game. Could pollsters stomach their disdain for the ACC? I personally doubt it.

Thanks.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I mean, let's say Indiana beats ND, Georgia sans their quarterback, SMU, and Clemson. I don't think Clemson is going to be in the last game, but otherwise, that might not be so far-fetched. I think some pollsters would experience trepidation at that point. Or even worse, if SMU or Clemson somehow won the final game. Could pollsters stomach their disdain for the ACC? I personally doubt it.

Thanks.

If clemson won the final game, retch-city.

If SMU won it, I'd think that was the coolest comeback story ever. I don't get a vote but I would have no problem ranking them #1 after going through that stretch. Same for Indiana, I would love for them to sweep the field, but I have doubts they can do that.

 

[tc1]

If clemson won the final game, retch-city.

If SMU won it, I'd think that was the coolest comeback story ever. I don't get a vote but I would have no problem ranking them #1 after going through that stretch. Same for Indiana, I would love for them to sweep the field, but I have doubts they can do that.

Of course substantial doubt exists regarding any of these scenarios. Personally, I am on Team Chaos -- I want to see an SMU v Clemson re-match in the title game, with the Mustangs walking off on a FG. And I want the movie rights.

But anyway, the point is, with a 12-team playoff now, there are scenarios that are potentially very unpleasant vis a vis the goal of awarding an "undisputed champion" title. We're discussing some of the more unlikely ones, but like I said before, Penn State narrowly over Oregon is a problem, too. I think there are a bunch of scenarios, as I described, where Oregon has a beef. All of the other teams have already lost, but they get a free pass. Some got two or three free passes. Oregon hasn't earned even one?

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

All of the other teams have already lost, but they get a free pass. Some got two or three free passes. Oregon hasn't earned even one?

Well they were totally welcome to lose a game or two along the way, and they declined.

 

[tc1]

Well they were totally welcome to lose a game or two along the way, and they declined.

Can you imagine how badly they'd have been seeded if they had?

That said, one of the charms of college football used to be that every game mattered. No one wants to see it headed in the direction of, say, the NBA, where players only occasionally care, for a quarter or so at a time.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Can you imagine how badly they'd have been seeded if they had?

That said, one of the charms of college football used to be that every game mattered. No one wants to see it headed in the direction of, say, the NBA, where players only occasionally care, for a quarter or so at a time.

Yeah, I hear ya, it's a much shorter season, and traditionally one loss is enough to wreck a year. I do like the idea of at least one mulligan, but not 3 (for teams like Bama this year). I don't agree that Oregon is getting "penalized" for not losing until the playoff bracket. I really feel like they're the best, most complete team out there, but it's still hard to run a gauntlet of 3-4 teams who are close to you in talent level.

 

[Boglodyte]

Not remotely, no. Did you have an attempted argument, or were you just going to hope to bluff your way through with ad hominem attack?

Talk to 2017 UCF

 

[RoyUte]

NO, NO, NO! You are missing the point. There should be NO auto bids.
If you want auto bids then ALL conference champs should get in and not just the B1G champs (which is what you're interested in). If all champs got auto bids then the B1G would split into three 6-team conferences to get three auto bids and the same with other conferences. THat would give us ~22 auto bids currently. The all the other teams in FCS would move up to FBS to get auto bids. Why not? If the only criterion is Conference Champion to get an auto bid.
If your conference champ can't get in on their OWN merit then TOOOOO BAAAAD!!!

In 2018, OSU played Northwestern for the B1G championship. Suppose that NW won the game. In your world NW would get an autobid with a 9-4 record with losses to Duke and Akron!

Northwestern would not have made it in 2018 since they were not one of the 5 highest ranked conference champs. The SEC, ACC, PAC, Big 12, AAC and MWC champs were all ranked higher. The committee would have probably had them jump Fresno but not enough to jump UCF also.

 

[tc1]

Talk to 2017 UCF

See the way that an argument works, is that you present a position, and then attempt to defend it. You don't just blurt out whatever non-sequitur pops into your head.

 

[Boglodyte]

See the way that an argument works, is that you present a position, and then attempt to defend it. You don't just blurt out whatever non-sequitur pops into your head.

Not trying to argue, just posting why I think you’re full of shit wanting the druks to share a NC before they even play in a playoff game

 

[Gator]

The only thing I would change is reseed the teams after the first round and if an independent is ranked in the top 4 they get a bye.

Oregons path is not good considering they are #1

I like the fact conference champs get a bye. It’s gotta mean something plus they are playing an extra game teams like Ohio state and Notre dame and Tennessee aren’t. Not playing and getting rest is an advantage

So how come it never bothered you that the SEC had to play an "extra" from 1992 to 2010? It is total nonsense that a CCG can only help teams. If you play the game it should count just like every other game on the schedule. If you win you go up if you lose you SHOULD go down. You buy your ticket - you take your chances!

 

[tc1]

Not trying to argue, just posting why I think you’re full of shit wanting the druks to share a NC before they even play in a playoff game

So again, the way that an argument works is that you present a position -- and you've gotten this far, so stick with it -- and then attempt to defend it.

Here, I'll give you an example. As previously explained, regardless of what occurs in the next eleven games of this tournament, Oregon has already had as good as a season as anyone can have this year. Historically, playing the best season has earned teams the right to claim at least a share of the title. Yet Oregon is being required to tack on another 3 consecutive wins -- probably against tougher opponents than teams with lesser resumes who the Ducks already beat, are playing -- in order to claim the title. Even if they don't wind up an unprecedented 16-0, they've done enough to claim the title, and as-much as anyone else can do.

Reminder that it was not that long ago -- 2016 -- that Alabama lost their final game, against #2 Clemson, and yet were still awarded the Colley Matrix title. Same thing happened to Notre Dame in 2012. There is precedent for Oregon finishing with a loss this season and still taking home at least one National Championship.

 

[Nat Mann]

and bye is BS...

I thought we trying to get the best 12 teams in a playoff situation... not getting mary's little lambs in the playoffs with a bye... Whoever came up with this rule got shit for brains... Have we not seen this trainwreck with TCU a few years back??? Now every year we have to fuck around with this shit...

Starting with SMU getting smoked today by Clemson and still getting a free ride into the top 12..... WTF

There's a half dozen teams (outside the top 12) thats that would knock that shitty team like a little bitch...

I agree, up to a point. The underlying problem is that the conference championship system and the national championship system are designed for different things and have different priorities. The national system is designed to take every game into account. The conference system is designed to treat out of conference games as exhibition games. This leads to teams with inferior records getting in because they are conference champions over teams from tougher conferences that have better strength of schedule and better tie breakers. I'm looking at you, Clemson.

The four team playoff system had a real problem with conference championship games. Sometimes a team that didn't play in the conference championship game would get in due to a team losing in the CCG. Teams were subject to injuries suffered in the CCG. (See Georgia this year).

So, there were some changes made to address these issues. IMO, they went a bit too far. I think teams that win a CCG should get a bye to compensate for the extra game they had to play - IF and only IF - they were otherwise qualified to be in the top 12 based on record and SOS. Nobody should get in the playoffs based solely on being a conference champion.

 

[10HtownRebs]

I agree, up to a point. The underlying problem is that the conference championship system and the national championship system are designed for different things and have different priorities. The national system is designed to take every game into account. The conference system is designed to treat out of conference games as exhibition games. This leads to teams with inferior records getting in because they are conference champions over teams from tougher conferences that have better strength of schedule and better tie breakers. I'm looking at you, Clemson.

The four team playoff system had a real problem with conference championship games. Sometimes a team that didn't play in the conference championship game would get in due to a team losing in the CCG. Teams were subject to injuries suffered in the CCG. (See Georgia this year).

So, there were some changes made to address these issues. IMO, they went a bit too far. I think teams that win a CCG should get a bye to compensate for the extra game they had to play - IF and only IF - they were otherwise qualified to be in the top 12 based on record and SOS. Nobody should get in the playoffs based solely on being a conference champion.

I agree mostly... Conference champion don't mean shit and damn sure don't mean you in and get a bye,,,

Where does the ignorance stop?? I mean, Army is 11-1 and conference champion... Why did they get shit on if the committee is so high on conference champions? I know, the AAC is not as strong and blah blah... But how can they say that and then want to put Boise St, Arizona St and SMU and the other circus teams in the top 12 and try to make us believe its all legit..... BS

Georgia beat TCU in the BCS bowl two years ago, one of those circus teams that was touted as a superior team and tried to make us believe that... Until they had to actually play on the field and we know how that ended... 65-7.. It was a joke... and not to mention Georgia and Florida St last year...

The committee acts like all conferences wears the same size shoes.... When actually some wear a 9 and some wear a 14... and they want us to believe they are the same size... BS