The Philadelphia Flyers 2024 Off Season Thread

[awaz]

I'm okay with the Konecny deal. We probably had to give him either $10 million per season short term or the full 8 seasons at a more reasonable price to keep him. Nice to have him as a Flyer for life, but I also hope he puts up better numbers soon and for the most part can keep it going throughout the contract too. Paying a 35 year old $8.75 million is definitely not without risk, especially when you factor in his smallish size, his style of play and the physical pounding he will take across his career. Above all, I hope he stays healthy.

Would've preferred 10 on a shorter deal. Heck, give him 12M for 3 years. Keep him for the next few years while the team rebuild/tools. Get all the intangibles while Michkov is coming up, put an exciting player on the ice, etc. etc. Then when it comes time to turn the corner his deal is up and you come to a new agreement on a 31 year old TK who's probably pretty happy you gave him 36M the last couple years and hopefully the team is a contender and he's ready to take a discount. Maybe then he signs a 6M x 5 or something like that. He gets the same money in the end but the Flyers get a better deal while they're contending.

 

[awaz]

Feels like this is only happening to our club. First Gauthier now Kolosov. I hope this isn't a pattern.

If he informed us he would not return why didn't we trade him.

I think this one is a little different. Kolosov is essentially a nobody. 3rd or 4th on the Flyers depth chart even without Hart. Other young guys to compete with too like Bjarnsson. He can go make better money and be a starter in the KHL.

Probably can't get anything for him in a trade given his essentially unknown status. I would think just about all NHL teams have guys around his level/status.

I bet if Ersson and/or Fedotov struggle this year the discussion with Kolosov will go differently with him next summer.

 

[lasgop8]

Would've preferred 10 on a shorter deal. Heck, give him 12M for 3 years. Keep him for the next few years while the team rebuild/tools. Get all the intangibles while Michkov is coming up, put an exciting player on the ice, etc. etc. Then when it comes time to turn the corner his deal is up and you come to a new agreement on a 31 year old TK who's probably pretty happy you gave him 36M the last couple years and hopefully the team is a contender and he's ready to take a discount. Maybe then he signs a 6M x 5 or something like that. He gets the same money in the end but the Flyers get a better deal while they're contending.

Why would TK put himself in position to try to get a new contract at age 31. If his agent let him sign for 3 years he should be fired. This was TK's last shot at real job security. Unless you are a top 10 player in the league nobody is signing you long term at age 31.

 

[eaglesnut]

Man, I can't believe this summer is almost over. My poor kid starts school on the 12th, she's not super happy. Hockey right around the corner. I gotta get in at least 3-4 more mountain escapes before September ends. Hopefully by that time I can nestle down for the winter and see what this teams future looks like. I like the outlook and what we have at a lot of positions, along with the youth we have coming in. My main concern is goal tending, I'm not sure either of these guys can get it done long term, we'll see. Sucks how the Hart situation has fucked us, I myself feel that kid may have been legit behind a solid squad, guess we'll never know unless he comes back when he beats the case. Be nice but I don't see him coming back here unless he worked something out with management before they let him go. I mean if he's ultimately innocent, why not give him another shot?

The organization turned their back on Hart. They supported the Canadian government when they attacked him instead of defending him and making canada prove their shit.

"He will play for us until the disgraceful Canadian authorities finish their sham investigation and produce concrete evidence in a court of law."

It was that easy.

And then after the court case you can simply say you "don't believe or accept the canadian process and will not be making business decisions based on a single data point from questionable sources."

Hart plays for years as a Flyer if they handled it properly.

 

[lasgop8]

The Athletic Salary cap Era NHL franchise rankings (i though we would be lower)

20. Philadelphia Flyers​

Total: 16 points

2023: 18th, 16 points​

Team president Keith Jones and general manager Daniel Briere are reportedly in the Trevor Zegras sweepstakes, but they made headlines earlier this offseason when they found a way to bring over Matvei Michkov from the KHL. This kid has star potential and should help accelerate the rebuild of a team that surprised everyone by flirting with a playoff spot in 2023-24. Jones and Briere are committed to doing this right and setting this franchise up for the future after years of unstable management.

Total playoff years: 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 11, 10SCF, 09, 08CF, 06

Playoff-only years: 8 | Conference finals: 1 | Cup finals: 1 | Cup wins: 0

 

[eaglesnut]

Kolosov Reportedly Informed Flyers He Did Not Want to Return - Flyers Nation

It seems like the early reports this summer regarding the disgruntled Alexei Kolosov might have had more substance than originally thought. AHL reporter Tony Androckitis tweeted out earlier Saturday that the goaltender informed the Philadelphia Flyers at the end of the season that he did not...

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All bad news at the position. Massive failure by the Flyers. Another massive failure. The whole point of your guys' plan is to suck to get prospects. But the prospects keep wanting to leave. Lol. No plan. No hope.

 

[eaglesnut]

Pure run-of-mill move. Fan friendly guy gets to stay forever. Appeases the common fan.

Would be ok contract except for the NMC.

If you have a problem with the no movement clause then you must be expecting the Flyers to keep sucking for 5 more years and needing to move talent for future resources.

If that's the case then Konecny shouldn't have signed at all just to be a part of a shitty team with no future. He could have picked his spot in just one year.

 

[purdue81]

If you have a problem with the no movement clause then you must be expecting the Flyers to keep sucking for 5 more years and needing to move talent for future resources.

If that's the case then Konecny shouldn't have signed at all just to be a part of a shitty team with no future. He could have picked his spot in just one year.

Sadly I do expect them to suck for at least 3 years - and more likely 5. If TK goes under a friendly contract that DOES NOT have an NMC he is deadline trade bait for the next 3 years to contenders at that are competing for the Cup in that season. Players are always over valued at the trade deadline, and flyers could take advantage of that to gain more value than they give up, and just maybe move up the competitiveness scale.

 

[chy1127]

The organization turned their back on Hart. They supported the Canadian government when they attacked him instead of defending him and making canada prove their shit.

"He will play for us until the disgraceful Canadian authorities finish their sham investigation and produce concrete evidence in a court of law."

It was that easy.

And then after the court case you can simply say you "don't believe or accept the canadian process and will not be making business decisions based on a single data point from questionable sources."

Hart plays for years as a Flyer if they handled it properly.

Pretty sure he could not have played after the charges were brought. He and the others were not suspended as they all took an indefinite leave of absence. If they did not take the leave, it looks like the league would have suspended them. The length of the suspension based on domestic violence looks to be at least 20 games. I would think an alleged sexual assault would carry a longer suspension under their CBA. Had the Flyers tried to be rebels and kept him active, the league would have suspended him for a minimum of the remainder of the season.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Pretty sure he could not have played after the charges were brought. He and the others were not suspended as they all took an indefinite leave of absence. If they did not take the leave, it looks like the league would have suspended them. The length of the suspension based on domestic violence looks to be at least 20 games. I would think an alleged sexual assault would carry a longer suspension under their CBA. Had the Flyers tried to be rebels and kept him active, the league would have suspended him for a minimum of the remainder of the season.

Glad you took the few minutes to explain it, maybe some people will understand but I doubt it!

 

[eaglesnut]

Sadly I do expect them to suck for at least 3 years - and more likely 5. If TK goes under a friendly contract that DOES NOT have an NMC he is deadline trade bait for the next 3 years to contenders at that are competing for the Cup in that season. Players are always over valued at the trade deadline, and flyers could take advantage of that to gain more value than they give up, and just maybe move up the competitiveness scale.

Konecny says fuck that and signs with a contender in 2025. His pick.

He's not signing just to get traded. That would be stupid.

 

[eaglesnut]

Pretty sure he could not have played after the charges were brought. He and the others were not suspended as they all took an indefinite leave of absence. If they did not take the leave, it looks like the league would have suspended them. The length of the suspension based on domestic violence looks to be at least 20 games. I would think an alleged sexual assault would carry a longer suspension under their CBA. Had the Flyers tried to be rebels and kept him active, the league would have suspended him for a minimum of the remainder of the season.

So his suspension would be over and he'd be back. That's what you wrote.

The Flyers had nothing to lose and instead they lost their fucking goalie.

 

[purdue81]

Konecny says fuck that and signs with a contender in 2025. His pick.

He's not signing just to get traded. That would be stupid.

He’s signing to get as much money as he can.

Hockey GMs sign players to eventually win a Cup. Flyer’s GM’s seem to just try to fill seats and keep the TV revenue coming in.


To me NMC’s with long terms do not make for Cup winning teams.

 

[chy1127]

So his suspension would be over and he'd be back. That's what you wrote.

The Flyers had nothing to lose and instead they lost their fucking goalie.

I said the minimum suspension would be the remainder of the year. You know what minimum means?

 

[chy1127]

Glad you took the few minutes to explain it, maybe some people will understand but I doubt it!

You are correct, one special fan seems to have no clue.

 

[lasgop8]

Konecny says fuck that and signs with a contender in 2025. His pick.

He's not signing just to get traded. That would be stupid.

TK would have been signed by us or traded long before he can just say fuck that and go sign with another team.

Of course hes not signing just to be traded but by us giving him the NMC we lost that option.

A perfect example of an NMC that is hurting us right now as we dont have the option to trade Couts

 

[Chris p Bacon]

TK would have been signed by us or traded long before he can just say fuck that and go sign with another team.

Of course hes not signing just to be traded but by us giving him the NMC we lost that option.

A perfect example of an NMC that is hurting us right now as we dont have the option to trade Couts

Don't forget old Ristolinan.

 

[lasgop8]

Don't forget old Ristolinan.

Im pretty sure he doesn't have a NMC he just sucks so bad and gets paid enough that nobody wants him.

Basically he is his own NMC.

 

[lasgop8]

I really miss cap friendly!!

I am wondering why the league allowed the Capitals to buy it. I

I am also wondering why we didn't buy it. We need the most help with the cap.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

I really miss cap friendly!!

I am wondering why the league allowed the Capitals to buy it. I

I am also wondering why we didn't buy it. We need the most help with the cap.

Caps Buying Advantage. The goal, as mentioned in the Sports Illustrated article, “Capitals to Purchase CapFriendly Website After 2024 NHL Draft, per Report,” is to keep other clubs from using the various information that CapFriendly has to offer.