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[awaz]

His contact has kicked in. He was already in the AHL so his ELC has started. I think the NHL games only applies to Jr. Players as they are one or the other as they cant play in the AHL. Number of games isn't part of the equation. Maybe someone can give more technical details but the short is non-issue.

That sums it up pretty well Chy.

The number of games thing only pertains to junior players. The contract will slide as long as they play fewer than 10 games before being sent back to juniors. And I believe that only pertains if they're under a certain age, which I think is 20 or 21.

Ghost is on year 1 of his ELC regardless of where he plays this season. He's not slide-rule eligible.

 

[awaz]

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As for the Ghost situation-I keep reading every damn day that Hextall is still trying to make a deal for a d-man,and that Ghost will be sent down.

Doesn't seem to matter how well he plays(or how his speed splits d-men).

Would rather have him play and develop,than some seasoned(some extremely seasoned) vet,that will only be a quick fix anyway.

awesome hoodie.

as for Ghost, I'd rather see him play 20-22 minutes in a 1st d-pair type role in the AHL, than 10-12 minutes in a 3rd d-pair type role in the NHL. I think it keeps him in the correct mindset and works on perfecting that style of hockey, rather than playing a safe and conservative brand of 3rd pairing hockey. Not to mention he gets half the minutes to work on his game.

And it's risky to throw him in a 1st NHL d-pair type role now because if he doesn't perform, his confidence will go down. The style he plays you have to have a lot of confidence in yourself to play.

 

[chy1127]

Interesting little observation. After 9 games, our leader in PM has 7 minutes. As a team we average the 2nd fewest penalty minutes per game. How about that!

 

[JBM73]

Interesting little observation. After 9 games, our leader in PM has 7 minutes. As a team we average the 2nd fewest penalty minutes per game. How about that!

Fighting down in NHL: Dropping the gloves keeps dropping off - ESPN

 

[chy1127]

Fighting down in NHL: Dropping the gloves keeps dropping off - ESPN

It looks like we have 2 fighting majors. L. Schenn and Umberger. I remember Umberger came to the aid of a teammate who took a cheap shot.

 

[EVille3]

It looks like we have 2 fighting majors. L. Schenn and Umberger. I remember Umberger came to the aid of a teammate who took a cheap shot.

I'm pretty sure L. Schenn got his in the same fashion. I think someone took a run at B. Schenn.

 

[chy1127]

Been reading a lot about revisiting the Umberger for Hartnell trade. Most of the writers are saying it was great for Columbus and horrible for us. Hartnell is 1-9-10 -3 and 10 pm and Umberger 1-2-3 and 7 pm. They get into all of the advanced stats that show the landslide.

I always like Hartnell but was not overly happy with his extension. He and Umberger are the same age and Umberger make $150k/yr. less for 1 less year. The big problem I had with Hartnell were the unnecessary stupid little lazy penalties that he would take. He averaged close to 140 minutes per season whereas Umberger averages about 30. Taking out fighting majors, penalties to both teams and goal saving penalties, that lease a difference of about 35 -40 times more we were shorthanded because of 1 player. I think that's a lot. I will admit I am a Homer (home town guy not the shitty GM) but I don't think this trade was so lopsided. Its too bad when the so called "experts" cant see when a trade helps both teams. I am not so sure Hartnell falls under addition by subtraction. JMHO

 

[chy1127]

I'm pretty sure L. Schenn got his in the same fashion. I think someone took a run at B. Schenn.

Good memory. That sounds about right. I remember he was standing up for a teammate also.

 

[lasgop8]

I'm pretty sure L. Schenn got his in the same fashion. I think someone took a run at B. Schenn.

Someone took a run at Rinaldo and in true hero fashion Luke Schenn stepped in to take care of business

 

[lasgop8]

Good memory. That sounds about right.

Side note on this JVR would've ran the other way.

 

[JBM73]

Been reading a lot about revisiting the Umberger for Hartnell trade. Most of the writers are saying it was great for Columbus and horrible for us. Hartnell is 1-9-10 -3 and 10 pm and Umberger 1-2-3 and 7 pm. They get into all of the advanced stats that show the landslide.

I always like Hartnell but was not overly happy with his extension. He and Umberger are the same age and Umberger make $150k/yr. less for 1 less year. The big problem I had with Hartnell were the unnecessary stupid little lazy penalties that he would take. He averaged close to 140 minutes per season whereas Umberger averages about 30. Taking out fighting majors, penalties to both teams and goal saving penalties, that lease a difference of about 35 -40 times more we were shorthanded because of 1 player. I think that's a lot. I will admit I am a Homer (home town guy not the shitty GM) but I don't think this trade was so lopsided. Its too bad when the so called "experts" cant see when a trade helps both teams. I am not so sure Hartnell falls under addition by subtraction. JMHO

In my opinion the trade needs to be evaluated over the life of both contracts before a "winner" can be determined. There's no question that Columbus got the better player TODAY, but they'll have Hartnell for 2 years longer than the Flyers will have Umberger. So, we'll see how much each player declines over the life of their contracts...

 

[awaz]

I think the penalties being down was a huge focus for Hextall. That and freeing the Flyers from the tail end of front loaded contracts to aging veterans. Both of those are why Hartnell was moved. IMO it had nothing to do with actual production on the ice. The Flyers offense has been putting up numbers for years and did not need the contract, or the penalties Hartnell provided in addition to his offense.

 

[EVille3]

Been reading a lot about revisiting the Umberger for Hartnell trade. Most of the writers are saying it was great for Columbus and horrible for us. Hartnell is 1-9-10 -3 and 10 pm and Umberger 1-2-3 and 7 pm. They get into all of the advanced stats that show the landslide.

I always like Hartnell but was not overly happy with his extension. He and Umberger are the same age and Umberger make $150k/yr. less for 1 less year. The big problem I had with Hartnell were the unnecessary stupid little lazy penalties that he would take. He averaged close to 140 minutes per season whereas Umberger averages about 30. Taking out fighting majors, penalties to both teams and goal saving penalties, that lease a difference of about 35 -40 times more we were shorthanded because of 1 player. I think that's a lot. I will admit I am a Homer (home town guy not the shitty GM) but I don't think this trade was so lopsided. Its too bad when the so called "experts" cant see when a trade helps both teams. I am not so sure Hartnell falls under addition by subtraction. JMHO

I agree with it being good for both teams. Hartnell was too slow for the 1st line and didn't have the defense to play the 3rd/4th. Umberger comes in and fills a need while allowing Raffl's speed and skill to bump up to the first line.

 

[chy1127]

Side note on this JVR would've ran the other way.

I disagree. He would have hit him with his purse.

 

[awaz]

I disagree. He would have hit him with his purse.

then run away.

 

[lasgop8]

Been reading a lot about revisiting the Umberger for Hartnell trade. Most of the writers are saying it was great for Columbus and horrible for us. Hartnell is 1-9-10 -3 and 10 pm and Umberger 1-2-3 and 7 pm. They get into all of the advanced stats that show the landslide.

I always like Hartnell but was not overly happy with his extension. He and Umberger are the same age and Umberger make $150k/yr. less for 1 less year. The big problem I had with Hartnell were the unnecessary stupid little lazy penalties that he would take. He averaged close to 140 minutes per season whereas Umberger averages about 30. Taking out fighting majors, penalties to both teams and goal saving penalties, that lease a difference of about 35 -40 times more we were shorthanded because of 1 player. I think that's a lot. I will admit I am a Homer (home town guy not the shitty GM) but I don't think this trade was so lopsided. Its too bad when the so called "experts" cant see when a trade helps both teams. I am not so sure Hartnell falls under addition by subtraction. JMHO

Pretty funny how these guys have formed winner/loser after a whole 7 games into this trade . This trade or any trade for that matter definitely needs some time to develop before pulling out the advanced stats. Do you think they would retract the article if the stats start flowing Umbergers way in the next 10 games?

 

[awaz]

Pretty funny how these guys have formed winner/loser after a whole 7 games into this trade . This trade or any trade for that matter definitely needs some time to develop before pulling out the advanced stats. Do you think they would retract the article if the stats start flowing Umbergers way in the next 10 games?

heh, great point. advanced stats in particular, need time to balance out if you really want to use them.

 

[chy1127]

Pretty funny how these guys have formed winner/loser after a whole 7 games into this trade . This trade or any trade for that matter definitely needs some time to develop before pulling out the advanced stats. Do you think they would retract the article if the stats start flowing Umbergers way in the next 10 games?

I would think they would have more to write about in the early season. I still believe that this was an addition by subtraction trade. I cant imagine why they would wait to judge it after a full season or look at something other than advance stats? How about this advanced stat, the team who scores more in a game wins. I like to keep it simple.

 

[chy1127]

On another note, I read that Manning is in for Ghost and Vinny not playing tonight.

 

[lasgop8]

I would think they would have more to write about in the early season. I still believe that this was an addition by subtraction trade. I cant imagine why they would wait to judge it after a full season or look at something other than advance stats? How about this advanced stat, the team who scores more in a game wins. I like to keep it simple.